It seems either few people market the thin paper variety or it is quite rare. I have a pair of the five shilling used on the very thin paper. I have not found any others on thin paper as yet.
Hi smauggie
"It seems either few people market the thin paper variety or it is quite rare. I have a pair of the five shilling used on the very thin paper. I have not found any others on thin paper as yet."
Thanks once again for sharing, Rob. You've shared many very nice stamp designs I would not otherwise ever seen. Broadening my horizons!
Hi keesindy
"Thanks once again for sharing, Rob. You've shared many very nice stamp designs I would not otherwise ever seen. Broadening my horizons!"
I always love your posts with the detailed descriptions. I miss so much in the discussions because of visual subtleties and I'm grateful you always provide such detail.
Hi Poodle-Mum
"I always love your posts with the detailed descriptions. I miss so much in the discussions because of visual subtleties and I'm grateful you always provide such detail."
Very nice Robert, great info. I just updated my "Coat of Arms" stamps from "used" to "mint." None with very thin paper alas.
Kangaroo and Emu proudly displayed, nice looking set.
Eric
Hi Eric
"Very nice Robert, great info. I just updated my "Coat of Arms" stamps from "used" to "mint." None with very thin paper alas.
Kangaroo and Emu proudly displayed, nice looking set."
HI Rob
How do you distinguish between the Normal Coat of Arms and the thin paper ones.
I have a few of the five shillings and some in blocks of four, but I have no idea how you distinguish one from the other.
Any information always appreciated.
Horamakhet
"HI Rob
How do you distinguish between the Normal Coat of Arms and the thin paper ones.
I have a few of the five shillings and some in blocks of four, but I have no idea how you distinguish one from the other.
Any information always appreciated.
Horamakhet"
The two instruments on the bottom are called vernier calipers.
The one at the top is a zero-to-one (inch) micrometer.
All are common measuring instruments used in every industry I can think of, and availavle at any industrial hardware store.
Commonly used brand names, both for quality and reasonable price are Starrett, or Mitutoyo.
"The two instruments on the bottom are called vernier calipers.
The one at the top is a zero-to-one (inch) micrometer.
All are common measuring instruments used in every industry I can think of, and availavle at any industrial hardware store.
Commonly used brand names, both for quality and reasonable price are Starrett, or Mitutoyo."
Hi Rob,
I also used these tools to make my living for many years.
I am a little surprised that the digital readouts proved difficult for some, to measure stamps.
I too would use the micrometer for stamps, but for those not accustomed to their use, getting the "feel" of it might take a little time. I remember being unsure if I had done it too tight, or too loose for a while, when first learning.
I'm surprised they are difficult to find where you are. Occasionally I see them at garage sales. There are a lot of aviation tradesmen (and support industries) in my area though, so that probably accounts for it.
If I had a spare "mic" I'd send it to you.
You could always set up a dial indicator, run it on and off the stamp, and record the difference. It'd be faster than using a mic or calipers. wouldn't squeeze the paper, and very accurate. Personally, I'd use one with a horizontal stylus.
Hi Benque
I prefer the digital caliper; it makes working with them much easier and far more accurate. Of course using a micrometer for the first time will not be easy, but using it on cheap stamps and a common thin paper can help understand the usage of the micrometer.
The micrometer is not only difficult to find but literally do not exist in the entirety of New South Wales, although I can get one in Victoria, which is 878.5 km (545 miles) away, and that tool would cost me $200, a little too steep for a micrometer as far as I am concerned.
I would have accepted the micrometer and paid the postage cost myself, thanks for the thought though.
"You could always set up a dial indicator, run it on and off the stamp, and record the difference. It'd be faster than using a mic or calipers. Wouldn’t squeeze the paper, and very accurate. Personally, I'd use one with a horizontal stylus "
Hi Rob,
Yes, cost is kind of high.
On the other hand, I do have a dial indicator which I would think perfect for the job, which I do not expect to use again. As well, I should still have the necessary pieces to allow you to set it up properly.
If I can find all the pieces, I could send you a indicator like the one in the lower left, along with a clamp like the one top left, and the bits and pieces to put them together.
The indicator shown in the bottom right has a button sensor, rather than the preferred stylus sensor like the one on the left.
Imagine the magnetic base to be a clamp type, so you could clamp it to your work table.
Set it up so the indicator stylus contacts your work surface, plus a little bit, then rotate the bezel so the dial face is at zero to the indicating needle. The stylus is adjustable, just move it up and down to it's limits, to see how much latitude you have in your set up. As close to absolute horizontal as possible is the best for accuracy, but it isn't something to worry too much about.
Slide the stamp under the stylus and note the new reading.....that is your thickness, in thousandths of an inch. A pane of smooth glass would make an ideal measuring surface.
Give me a few days to get hold of my old tool boxes and see if I still have all the necessary stuff. I'll let you know what I find, and then we can sort out the logistics of getting it to you.
edit: I should mention that both indicators shown on the right would be unsuitable, as the force required to move the sensors would probably be far too high for the stamps to withstand, while the indicator on the left, with the horizontal stylus sensor would work like a charm.
Hi Benque
Will be waiting for your post and if you can locate all the pieces we can work out the transport.
Rob
Hi Rob and all others
I have digital caliper, or electronic vernier gauge.
As a Gemmologist I use it all the time to measure gems and diamonds.
The micrometer you use, we also use in Gemmology, but we use it to measure pearls.
If you try a gemmological Instrument supply house, of which there are a few in Sydney you may pick one up at a reasonable price.
I think there is a firm in Sydney called Ladybird that may have them.
If not ring the Gemmological Association of Australia, NSW branch and I am sure that they would be able to put you onto a source for the micrometer.
Hope this is of help to all.
Regards
Horamakhet
Hi Rob
Would this be thick or thin paper.
this is a used block of four 5/- Coat of Arms
Regards
Horamakhet
They look like thin paper, I would need to see the front, there is a big difference in the shading. Since I posted the above stamps, I have added more to the Coat-of-Arms series, there is now 15 different shades etc in my collection.
Rob
Hi Rob,
This a front scan of the block of four.
Nice clean block and the post mark is pretty good as well with it not obliteration too much of the design.
You are truly a treasure trove of information.
Regards
Horamkhet
Thanks, I'm always available to help.
Normally the thickness of the paper needs to be measured. But by comparing your block of 4 with my 5/- thin paper, the shading is right, the paper is definitely transparent, it seems you have a block of 4 thin papers.
Rob
Thanks Rob
That makes me very happy, as I picked them up in a collection of Mixed pre-decimals for a song, there where about a 1000 plus stamps, ranging from George V to George VI
It is truly amazing what can turn up.
Regards
Horamkhet
Sometimes a scarce or even a rare stamp will be overlooked by their former owners, pity it never happens to me.
Rob, even although I do not collect Australia I love reading your very formative posts.
PNG perhaps!!!
Thanks Kapul, I like to make my posts as informative as I can. The only PNG at the moment I have posted was in an earlier thread on Stamporama.
Here is the link, my post is at the top of the thread.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=15598#139140
Rob
All stamps are superb mint unhinged. The £1 in very thin paper is the only stamp not yet in the collection, there were no 10/- stamps in very thin paper printed; like the £2 in very thin paper, these two are very seldom seen for sale and are considered very rare.
Normal
ACSC 268A) 1949. Commonwealth Coat of Arms. 5/-. Perforation 14½ x 14. C of A watermark. Carmine (scarce)
ACSC 269A) 1949. Commonwealth Coat of Arms. 10/-. Perforation 14½ x 14. C of A watermark. Bright Purple (scarce)
ACSC 270A) 1949. Commonwealth Coat of Arms. £1. Perforation 14½ x 14. C of A watermark. Bright Blue (scarce)
ACSC 271A) 1950. Commonwealth Coat of Arms. £2. Perforation 14½ x 14. C of A watermark. Green (scarce)
Specimen
ACSC 269x) 1949. Commonwealth Coat of Arms. 10/-. Perforation 14½ x 14. C of A watermark. Bright Purple. SPECIMEN (scarce)
ACSC 270x) 1949. Commonwealth Coat of Arms. £1. Perforation 14½ x 14. C of A watermark. Bright Blue. SPECIMEN (scarce)
ACSC 271x) 1950. Commonwealth Coat of Arms. £2. Perforation 14½ x 14. C of A watermark. Green. SPECIMEN (scarce)
Very Thin Paper
ACSC 268a) 1949. Commonwealth Coat of Arms. 5/-. Perforation 14½ x 14. Very thin paper (0.085mm). C of A watermark. Deep Carmine (very scarce)
ACSC 271a) 1950. Commonwealth Coat of Arms. £2. Perforation 14½ x 14. Very thin paper (0.085mm). C of A watermark. Deep Green (very rare)
Roller Flaw
ACSC 271A) 1950. Commonwealth Coat of Arms. £2. Perforation 14½ x 14. Rollerblade flaw. C of A watermark. Green
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
It seems either few people market the thin paper variety or it is quite rare. I have a pair of the five shilling used on the very thin paper. I have not found any others on thin paper as yet.
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Hi smauggie
"It seems either few people market the thin paper variety or it is quite rare. I have a pair of the five shilling used on the very thin paper. I have not found any others on thin paper as yet."
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Thanks once again for sharing, Rob. You've shared many very nice stamp designs I would not otherwise ever seen. Broadening my horizons!
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Hi keesindy
"Thanks once again for sharing, Rob. You've shared many very nice stamp designs I would not otherwise ever seen. Broadening my horizons!"
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
I always love your posts with the detailed descriptions. I miss so much in the discussions because of visual subtleties and I'm grateful you always provide such detail.
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Hi Poodle-Mum
"I always love your posts with the detailed descriptions. I miss so much in the discussions because of visual subtleties and I'm grateful you always provide such detail."
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Very nice Robert, great info. I just updated my "Coat of Arms" stamps from "used" to "mint." None with very thin paper alas.
Kangaroo and Emu proudly displayed, nice looking set.
Eric
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Hi Eric
"Very nice Robert, great info. I just updated my "Coat of Arms" stamps from "used" to "mint." None with very thin paper alas.
Kangaroo and Emu proudly displayed, nice looking set."
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
HI Rob
How do you distinguish between the Normal Coat of Arms and the thin paper ones.
I have a few of the five shillings and some in blocks of four, but I have no idea how you distinguish one from the other.
Any information always appreciated.
Horamakhet
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
"HI Rob
How do you distinguish between the Normal Coat of Arms and the thin paper ones.
I have a few of the five shillings and some in blocks of four, but I have no idea how you distinguish one from the other.
Any information always appreciated.
Horamakhet"
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
The two instruments on the bottom are called vernier calipers.
The one at the top is a zero-to-one (inch) micrometer.
All are common measuring instruments used in every industry I can think of, and availavle at any industrial hardware store.
Commonly used brand names, both for quality and reasonable price are Starrett, or Mitutoyo.
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
"The two instruments on the bottom are called vernier calipers.
The one at the top is a zero-to-one (inch) micrometer.
All are common measuring instruments used in every industry I can think of, and availavle at any industrial hardware store.
Commonly used brand names, both for quality and reasonable price are Starrett, or Mitutoyo."
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Hi Rob,
I also used these tools to make my living for many years.
I am a little surprised that the digital readouts proved difficult for some, to measure stamps.
I too would use the micrometer for stamps, but for those not accustomed to their use, getting the "feel" of it might take a little time. I remember being unsure if I had done it too tight, or too loose for a while, when first learning.
I'm surprised they are difficult to find where you are. Occasionally I see them at garage sales. There are a lot of aviation tradesmen (and support industries) in my area though, so that probably accounts for it.
If I had a spare "mic" I'd send it to you.
You could always set up a dial indicator, run it on and off the stamp, and record the difference. It'd be faster than using a mic or calipers. wouldn't squeeze the paper, and very accurate. Personally, I'd use one with a horizontal stylus.
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Hi Benque
I prefer the digital caliper; it makes working with them much easier and far more accurate. Of course using a micrometer for the first time will not be easy, but using it on cheap stamps and a common thin paper can help understand the usage of the micrometer.
The micrometer is not only difficult to find but literally do not exist in the entirety of New South Wales, although I can get one in Victoria, which is 878.5 km (545 miles) away, and that tool would cost me $200, a little too steep for a micrometer as far as I am concerned.
I would have accepted the micrometer and paid the postage cost myself, thanks for the thought though.
"You could always set up a dial indicator, run it on and off the stamp, and record the difference. It'd be faster than using a mic or calipers. Wouldn’t squeeze the paper, and very accurate. Personally, I'd use one with a horizontal stylus "
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Hi Rob,
Yes, cost is kind of high.
On the other hand, I do have a dial indicator which I would think perfect for the job, which I do not expect to use again. As well, I should still have the necessary pieces to allow you to set it up properly.
If I can find all the pieces, I could send you a indicator like the one in the lower left, along with a clamp like the one top left, and the bits and pieces to put them together.
The indicator shown in the bottom right has a button sensor, rather than the preferred stylus sensor like the one on the left.
Imagine the magnetic base to be a clamp type, so you could clamp it to your work table.
Set it up so the indicator stylus contacts your work surface, plus a little bit, then rotate the bezel so the dial face is at zero to the indicating needle. The stylus is adjustable, just move it up and down to it's limits, to see how much latitude you have in your set up. As close to absolute horizontal as possible is the best for accuracy, but it isn't something to worry too much about.
Slide the stamp under the stylus and note the new reading.....that is your thickness, in thousandths of an inch. A pane of smooth glass would make an ideal measuring surface.
Give me a few days to get hold of my old tool boxes and see if I still have all the necessary stuff. I'll let you know what I find, and then we can sort out the logistics of getting it to you.
edit: I should mention that both indicators shown on the right would be unsuitable, as the force required to move the sensors would probably be far too high for the stamps to withstand, while the indicator on the left, with the horizontal stylus sensor would work like a charm.
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Hi Benque
Will be waiting for your post and if you can locate all the pieces we can work out the transport.
Rob
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Hi Rob and all others
I have digital caliper, or electronic vernier gauge.
As a Gemmologist I use it all the time to measure gems and diamonds.
The micrometer you use, we also use in Gemmology, but we use it to measure pearls.
If you try a gemmological Instrument supply house, of which there are a few in Sydney you may pick one up at a reasonable price.
I think there is a firm in Sydney called Ladybird that may have them.
If not ring the Gemmological Association of Australia, NSW branch and I am sure that they would be able to put you onto a source for the micrometer.
Hope this is of help to all.
Regards
Horamakhet
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Hi Rob
Would this be thick or thin paper.
this is a used block of four 5/- Coat of Arms
Regards
Horamakhet
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
They look like thin paper, I would need to see the front, there is a big difference in the shading. Since I posted the above stamps, I have added more to the Coat-of-Arms series, there is now 15 different shades etc in my collection.
Rob
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Hi Rob,
This a front scan of the block of four.
Nice clean block and the post mark is pretty good as well with it not obliteration too much of the design.
You are truly a treasure trove of information.
Regards
Horamkhet
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Thanks, I'm always available to help.
Normally the thickness of the paper needs to be measured. But by comparing your block of 4 with my 5/- thin paper, the shading is right, the paper is definitely transparent, it seems you have a block of 4 thin papers.
Rob
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Thanks Rob
That makes me very happy, as I picked them up in a collection of Mixed pre-decimals for a song, there where about a 1000 plus stamps, ranging from George V to George VI
It is truly amazing what can turn up.
Regards
Horamkhet
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Sometimes a scarce or even a rare stamp will be overlooked by their former owners, pity it never happens to me.
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Rob, even although I do not collect Australia I love reading your very formative posts.
PNG perhaps!!!
re: Very Rare 1949-1950 Coat-of-Arms Combination
Thanks Kapul, I like to make my posts as informative as I can. The only PNG at the moment I have posted was in an earlier thread on Stamporama.
Here is the link, my post is at the top of the thread.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=15598#139140
Rob