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The cover as seen was mailed from a German Pastry Shop, Quattlender with a Brooklyn location, in 1938 to the German Consulate in New York City.
Was the German Hindenburg stamp added along with U.S. postage in order to exhibit sender's Germanic pride in the then current regime?
Was the addition of the German stamp a way to signal the German Consulate about an important matter contained within that differentiated the mailing from the common mail stream mailings?
What do you think?
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By now the Nazi party is taking full totalitarian control over Germany. This is a high time of German pride in the United States as well. This low-value stamp is being used as a sign of pro-Germanic sentiments.
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... quite possibly by this fellow:
https://www.fold3.com/document/229964372/
I wonder if his pastry shop survived the war.
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The bakery is no longer there, but a Facebook page has some Bay Ridge memories about it:
https://www.facebook.com/BayRidgeBrooklyn/posts/546309465460925
Amazing what you can find on the web.
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Thanks for the commentaries.
I looked at the posts by Facebook members and one of them mentions the bakery did survive the war; they recalled being there in 1966.
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An interesting cover. I'd buy that!
It's possible that the sender was commemorating the memory of Paul von Hindenburg, the German military officer who is pictured on the German stamp. He was a statesman and politician who served as the second President of Germany from 1925 until his death in 1934. My understanding is that that he was held in high esteem by many Germans, and he was not fond of Hitler, who successfully deposed him in 1933. Hitler was not fond of Hindenburg, either.
I've always found it interesting that the 1932 German definitive set picturing von Hindenburg is watermarked with the "net" design common to many German stamps of that era, but the 1933-1936 re-issue, following Hitler' s accession to power, is watermarked with swastikas. I've always wondered if Hindenburg was aware of that subtle change to "his" stamps, which were used throughout the Second World War. Hindenburg was held in such high esteem by many Germans that Hitler apparently didn't think it wise to remove his stamps from circulation. He (Hindenburg) looks like a rather grandfatherly sort, but his life was utterly devoted to Germanic superiority and military power. There appears not to have been a shred of compassion in his personality. Imagine that, a politician without compassion!
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I hesitated before saying that not only is this cover unique and cool...but...
I wonder if it could be worth a lot of dough...
Perhaps that's a pie in the sky wish, but still...
For someone who kneads extra money...
It beats having to sift through boxes of covers...
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German name, German bakery, contacting the German consulate...
I would have guessed they added the stamp to show their heritage to the consulate. I wonder if perhaps they were contacting them for a passport, visa, or some other favor?
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Dave,
gotta love your half-baked musings
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Dollars to doughnuts, commentary is always appreciated.
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"Dollars to doughnuts, commentary is always appreciated."
Depends how you slice it! It's too bad that it wasn't a Japanese stamp that was added to the cover. Then it would yeast to west.
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It would not have any more value than that given it by a few interested bidders at auction.
I think it would properly fall under the category of a contrived curiosity.
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I don't think I have shown this cover before but I find it interesting and worthy of a lazy day speculation.
The cover as seen was mailed from a German Pastry Shop, Quattlender with a Brooklyn location, in 1938 to the German Consulate in New York City.
Was the German Hindenburg stamp added along with U.S. postage in order to exhibit sender's Germanic pride in the then current regime?
Was the addition of the German stamp a way to signal the German Consulate about an important matter contained within that differentiated the mailing from the common mail stream mailings?
What do you think?
Bruce
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By now the Nazi party is taking full totalitarian control over Germany. This is a high time of German pride in the United States as well. This low-value stamp is being used as a sign of pro-Germanic sentiments.
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... quite possibly by this fellow:
https://www.fold3.com/document/229964372/
I wonder if his pastry shop survived the war.
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07:37:58pm
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The bakery is no longer there, but a Facebook page has some Bay Ridge memories about it:
https://www.facebook.com/BayRidgeBrooklyn/posts/546309465460925
Amazing what you can find on the web.
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08:29:21pm
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Thanks for the commentaries.
I looked at the posts by Facebook members and one of them mentions the bakery did survive the war; they recalled being there in 1966.
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re: German Stamp Added To US Cover Third Reich Era
An interesting cover. I'd buy that!
It's possible that the sender was commemorating the memory of Paul von Hindenburg, the German military officer who is pictured on the German stamp. He was a statesman and politician who served as the second President of Germany from 1925 until his death in 1934. My understanding is that that he was held in high esteem by many Germans, and he was not fond of Hitler, who successfully deposed him in 1933. Hitler was not fond of Hindenburg, either.
I've always found it interesting that the 1932 German definitive set picturing von Hindenburg is watermarked with the "net" design common to many German stamps of that era, but the 1933-1936 re-issue, following Hitler' s accession to power, is watermarked with swastikas. I've always wondered if Hindenburg was aware of that subtle change to "his" stamps, which were used throughout the Second World War. Hindenburg was held in such high esteem by many Germans that Hitler apparently didn't think it wise to remove his stamps from circulation. He (Hindenburg) looks like a rather grandfatherly sort, but his life was utterly devoted to Germanic superiority and military power. There appears not to have been a shred of compassion in his personality. Imagine that, a politician without compassion!
Bob
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re: German Stamp Added To US Cover Third Reich Era
I hesitated before saying that not only is this cover unique and cool...but...
I wonder if it could be worth a lot of dough...
Perhaps that's a pie in the sky wish, but still...
For someone who kneads extra money...
It beats having to sift through boxes of covers...
{Moderators, please stop this madness!!!}
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German name, German bakery, contacting the German consulate...
I would have guessed they added the stamp to show their heritage to the consulate. I wonder if perhaps they were contacting them for a passport, visa, or some other favor?
Don
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Dave,
gotta love your half-baked musings
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Dollars to doughnuts, commentary is always appreciated.
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"Dollars to doughnuts, commentary is always appreciated."
Depends how you slice it! It's too bad that it wasn't a Japanese stamp that was added to the cover. Then it would yeast to west.
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It would not have any more value than that given it by a few interested bidders at auction.
I think it would properly fall under the category of a contrived curiosity.
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