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General Philatelic/Identify This? : US Scott #4

 

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Shaw

05 Mar 2017
02:39:41pm
Image Not FoundI agree with most reviewers that this stamp is not authentic. However, I also have an extensive CSA collection where I display certified material along with forgeries for comparison purposes. As such, I wonder if anyone is aware of any background information on this particular item. I would like to include such in my collection alongside a certified Scott #2 similar to what I do for CSA material. To further assist in the assessment process, as suggested by other members, I have attached a higher resolution view that may hopefully will prove helpful toward that end. There is no gum on the back and the paper is rather thick compared to other stamps of that era.
In the interim, thanks to all that commented on my earlier post!


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05 Mar 2017
03:12:37pm
re: US Scott #4

Nice pair. You will need a certificate of authenticity to be certain, but if they are be offered without that, your payment ought to be based upon full right of return if they do not pass expert examination. If you're into early U.S., you and I ought to become stamppals. That is my personal area of interest.

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Dan C.

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05 Mar 2017
09:48:56pm
re: US Scott #4

That's a really poor scan. Based on that scan I wouldn't buy them. Looks more like a poor copy.

Look here (and elsewhere) for some good scans of the genuine article.

http://www.theswedishtiger.com/ID1.html

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smauggie
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05 Mar 2017
09:50:58pm
re: US Scott #4

I am with Hungary. They don't look right.

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Sarge

05 Mar 2017
11:11:21pm
re: US Scott #4

It looks like a good fake to me. I highly doubt it's an authentic copy because there is a distinct line at the top that separates both stamps and there is a distinct line at the top left that isn't adjoining the frame line as well. They look drawn in to me because the colors of the lines are darker and crisp. They just don't match the frame lines.
Additionally it isn't a #4 the lips on a #4 are sharp and very crisp. In my opinion you are looking at a fake #2.
As Dan said you will need a certificate of authenticity.

Can you give us a scan of the back?

Jeremy

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06 Mar 2017
01:06:33pm
re: US Scott #4

Scott #3 and #4 are reprints, weren't for postal use, and should be much crisper.

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06 Mar 2017
03:54:08pm
re: US Scott #4

I concur with Chris, I was holding off any opinion due to the image quality.
Don

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CF1957

06 Mar 2017
03:56:44pm
re: US Scott #4

Not Sperati
Sperati #2 is much better
There would be a tiny dash on left side of the frame line in line with the top of the left X

This would normally be an 1875 reproduction distinguished by the right side of the cravat being in line with the left side of the T. The cravat is inline with the middle of the T for the 1847

Those dashes at the top left should not be on the 1875.

On an 1875 strip the edges should be fairly clean, so those blotches between the stamps don't belong

This would appear to be some kind of contrived picture.

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APS #213005

06 Mar 2017
08:57:10pm
re: US Scott #4

I believe these are the exact same stamp/image placed side by side;

notice the left frame edge on each image, how the markings are all in the same places -

same is true for the right side frame edge as well.

Same dots, same smudges, etc.....

....same image.


I think Charles/CF1957 is right - appears to be a contrived image.








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Shaw

05 Mar 2017
02:39:41pm

Image Not FoundI agree with most reviewers that this stamp is not authentic. However, I also have an extensive CSA collection where I display certified material along with forgeries for comparison purposes. As such, I wonder if anyone is aware of any background information on this particular item. I would like to include such in my collection alongside a certified Scott #2 similar to what I do for CSA material. To further assist in the assessment process, as suggested by other members, I have attached a higher resolution view that may hopefully will prove helpful toward that end. There is no gum on the back and the paper is rather thick compared to other stamps of that era.
In the interim, thanks to all that commented on my earlier post!


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dani20

05 Mar 2017
03:12:37pm

re: US Scott #4

Nice pair. You will need a certificate of authenticity to be certain, but if they are be offered without that, your payment ought to be based upon full right of return if they do not pass expert examination. If you're into early U.S., you and I ought to become stamppals. That is my personal area of interest.

Best,
Dan C.

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HungaryForStamps

05 Mar 2017
09:48:56pm

re: US Scott #4

That's a really poor scan. Based on that scan I wouldn't buy them. Looks more like a poor copy.

Look here (and elsewhere) for some good scans of the genuine article.

http://www.theswedishtiger.com/ID1.html

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smauggie

05 Mar 2017
09:50:58pm

re: US Scott #4

I am with Hungary. They don't look right.

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Sarge

05 Mar 2017
11:11:21pm

re: US Scott #4

It looks like a good fake to me. I highly doubt it's an authentic copy because there is a distinct line at the top that separates both stamps and there is a distinct line at the top left that isn't adjoining the frame line as well. They look drawn in to me because the colors of the lines are darker and crisp. They just don't match the frame lines.
Additionally it isn't a #4 the lips on a #4 are sharp and very crisp. In my opinion you are looking at a fake #2.
As Dan said you will need a certificate of authenticity.

Can you give us a scan of the back?

Jeremy

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HungaryForStamps

06 Mar 2017
01:06:33pm

re: US Scott #4

Scott #3 and #4 are reprints, weren't for postal use, and should be much crisper.

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06 Mar 2017
03:54:08pm

re: US Scott #4

I concur with Chris, I was holding off any opinion due to the image quality.
Don

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CF1957

06 Mar 2017
03:56:44pm

re: US Scott #4

Not Sperati
Sperati #2 is much better
There would be a tiny dash on left side of the frame line in line with the top of the left X

This would normally be an 1875 reproduction distinguished by the right side of the cravat being in line with the left side of the T. The cravat is inline with the middle of the T for the 1847

Those dashes at the top left should not be on the 1875.

On an 1875 strip the edges should be fairly clean, so those blotches between the stamps don't belong

This would appear to be some kind of contrived picture.

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musicman

APS #213005
06 Mar 2017
08:57:10pm

re: US Scott #4

I believe these are the exact same stamp/image placed side by side;

notice the left frame edge on each image, how the markings are all in the same places -

same is true for the right side frame edge as well.

Same dots, same smudges, etc.....

....same image.


I think Charles/CF1957 is right - appears to be a contrived image.








Randy

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