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General Philatelic/Newcomer Cnr : Was this stamp reperforated?

 

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cshahar

02 Feb 2017
06:12:44pm
The perforations look a bit odd to me, but I could be wrong. Maybe just newbie jitters. If its okay, I'll buy it...

-Charles

https://www.apfelbauminc.com/shop-by/11-scott-value-for-hinged-extremely-fine-og-nh.html


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02 Feb 2017
06:38:08pm
re: Was this stamp reperforated?

Looks O.K. to me.

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cshahar

02 Feb 2017
06:39:48pm
re: Was this stamp reperforated?

Thanks Mitchell. I appreciate it!

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03 Feb 2017
12:50:37pm
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I agree it looks ok.

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Sarge

03 Feb 2017
03:27:39pm
re: Was this stamp reperforated?

It looks good to me too. Heres a tip: If you ever have any suspicion that a stamp has been re-perforated use a fine straight edge from corner to corner of the stamp in the middle of the perforations. If the line is relatively straight its usually a safe bet that its sound. Be really wary of stamps that the holes look too perfect and clean that is an even better bet that it is a fake especially for stamps of the 19th and early 20th century.

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51Studebaker
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03 Feb 2017
04:08:28pm
re: Was this stamp reperforated?

I am a bit suspect of this stamp. Here is an image of the left (from back of stamp in question) perfs aligned against the three other sides. Top perfs perhaps 'touched up' by someone?
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Sarge

03 Feb 2017
04:35:54pm
re: Was this stamp reperforated?

You are going to have to measure the perforations with a quality gauge to be sure. I'd be more suspicious of it being re-gummed. That is just my opinion.

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Sarge

03 Feb 2017
05:07:14pm
re: Was this stamp reperforated?

There are 10 different varieties of that stamp design that have perforations. Starting with Scott #19 and ending at #24 all of the varieties exist in perforated and non perforated examples. The ones perforated were perforated 15 1/2. I can't forget to mention Scott #40 which was perforated 12. I hope that helps.

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cshahar

03 Feb 2017
10:01:11pm
re: Was this stamp reperforated?

Hmmm. There does seem to be some questions that are arising. As a newbie, I am at a bit of a disadvantage against the auction house's knowledge and intent. That's why I am going to go for the less expensive stamps before delving into more serious purchases, until I find my legs so to speak...

-Charles

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04 Feb 2017
03:04:50am
re: Was this stamp reperforated?

This seller has a 'checkered' past which might be a factor for some folks.

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/settlements-announced-lawsuit-alleging-bid-rigging-conspiracy-postage-stamp-auctions

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/stamp-dealers-sued-for-fraud/

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04 Feb 2017
02:03:42pm
re: Was this stamp reperforated?

I'm with Don on this one -- the top perfs do look questionable to me. Not an expert, but after a quick look, I would put it in the "possible partial reperf" bin.

The Srail test that Don used is a quick and simple method for detecting altered perfs -- but of course, just because it passes the Srail test doesn't mean the perfs are genuine.

(For purposes of disclosure, I refuse to buy from that seller). I seriously doubt the current seller was responsible for the possible perf alterations.

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Sarge

09 Feb 2017
06:01:54pm
re: Was this stamp reperforated?

This topic has been bugging me for days. Here are some other resources to place in the toolbox. The best thing is they are free and downloadable in a pdf file. The PSE Grading Guide and the PF Grading Booklet I have found them both very useful and worthy of saving to my desktop and even printing for my own reference library. The PF Grading Guide shows great examples of re-perforated with other altered/fake stamps and goes into lengthy detail about things to look for.

philatelic foundation.com and grading matters.com

Jeremy

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cshahar

02 Feb 2017
06:12:44pm

The perforations look a bit odd to me, but I could be wrong. Maybe just newbie jitters. If its okay, I'll buy it...

-Charles

https://www.apfelbauminc.com/shop-by/11-scott-value-for-hinged-extremely-fine-og-nh.html


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02 Feb 2017
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re: Was this stamp reperforated?

Looks O.K. to me.

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cshahar

02 Feb 2017
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Thanks Mitchell. I appreciate it!

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smauggie

03 Feb 2017
12:50:37pm

re: Was this stamp reperforated?

I agree it looks ok.

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Sarge

03 Feb 2017
03:27:39pm

re: Was this stamp reperforated?

It looks good to me too. Heres a tip: If you ever have any suspicion that a stamp has been re-perforated use a fine straight edge from corner to corner of the stamp in the middle of the perforations. If the line is relatively straight its usually a safe bet that its sound. Be really wary of stamps that the holes look too perfect and clean that is an even better bet that it is a fake especially for stamps of the 19th and early 20th century.

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51Studebaker

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03 Feb 2017
04:08:28pm

re: Was this stamp reperforated?

I am a bit suspect of this stamp. Here is an image of the left (from back of stamp in question) perfs aligned against the three other sides. Top perfs perhaps 'touched up' by someone?
Don

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Sarge

03 Feb 2017
04:35:54pm

re: Was this stamp reperforated?

You are going to have to measure the perforations with a quality gauge to be sure. I'd be more suspicious of it being re-gummed. That is just my opinion.

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Sarge

03 Feb 2017
05:07:14pm

re: Was this stamp reperforated?

There are 10 different varieties of that stamp design that have perforations. Starting with Scott #19 and ending at #24 all of the varieties exist in perforated and non perforated examples. The ones perforated were perforated 15 1/2. I can't forget to mention Scott #40 which was perforated 12. I hope that helps.

Jeremy McLean

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cshahar

03 Feb 2017
10:01:11pm

re: Was this stamp reperforated?

Hmmm. There does seem to be some questions that are arising. As a newbie, I am at a bit of a disadvantage against the auction house's knowledge and intent. That's why I am going to go for the less expensive stamps before delving into more serious purchases, until I find my legs so to speak...

-Charles

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51Studebaker

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04 Feb 2017
03:04:50am

re: Was this stamp reperforated?

This seller has a 'checkered' past which might be a factor for some folks.

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/settlements-announced-lawsuit-alleging-bid-rigging-conspiracy-postage-stamp-auctions

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/stamp-dealers-sued-for-fraud/

Don

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khj

04 Feb 2017
02:03:42pm

re: Was this stamp reperforated?

I'm with Don on this one -- the top perfs do look questionable to me. Not an expert, but after a quick look, I would put it in the "possible partial reperf" bin.

The Srail test that Don used is a quick and simple method for detecting altered perfs -- but of course, just because it passes the Srail test doesn't mean the perfs are genuine.

(For purposes of disclosure, I refuse to buy from that seller). I seriously doubt the current seller was responsible for the possible perf alterations.

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Sarge

09 Feb 2017
06:01:54pm

re: Was this stamp reperforated?

This topic has been bugging me for days. Here are some other resources to place in the toolbox. The best thing is they are free and downloadable in a pdf file. The PSE Grading Guide and the PF Grading Booklet I have found them both very useful and worthy of saving to my desktop and even printing for my own reference library. The PF Grading Guide shows great examples of re-perforated with other altered/fake stamps and goes into lengthy detail about things to look for.

philatelic foundation.com and grading matters.com

Jeremy

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