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Here's some new stamps I just got recently.
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In 1917 Italy produced a stamp to be used on the first air mail flight via airplane. Below is a first day card which was carried on that first flight.
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07:10:44pm
From my "Sold Database", here is your missing Gelber Hund flight card:
Roy
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I no longer own this one, but still have the nice scan in my digital collection........
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Here is a Newfoundland, and some Canadian air "mail" stamps from my collection, including my favourite air mail stamp, the Canada Scott C6 "Mackenzie River Steamer and Aircraft (Beaver??)
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Although I do not specialize in the stamps of Greece I do love the stylization and pastels colors of these…
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"Mackenzie River Steamer and Aircraft (Beaver??)"
The ship is the Hudson's Bay Company "SS Distributor" which plied the Mackenzie River from the 1920s to the 1940s.
The airplane is not a Beaver, which is a single engine plane, but rather a Fairchild 45-80 Sekani. Great to have it on a stamp (from an actual photo), but it was a lousy bush plane with performance so poor it almost sank the company.
Roy
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Thanks Roy! I just knew someone would come through with the aircraft type. And, back in the early 70s, I even did some work on the floats for a Beaver, but couldn't remember the "single engine" detail.
Does anyone out there know what models the rest of the aircraft are?
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When I was collecting, my primary focus was pre-1940 colonial Africa. I didn't have much use for most of the stamps for the Italian colonies, but there were exceptions such as this set for Tripolitania.
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Many of my favorite airmail stamps come from South America. Here are a few first pages from Uruguay. The bottom three stamps on the first page were only sold on one day and for use on that day.
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Very nice Mitch. Love the ones from Uruguay! Just got this one from Turkey...
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"Does anyone out there know what models the rest of the aircraft are?"
The one on the Newfoundland label (not a stamp since it was never authorized by Newfoundland and the proposed flight plans collapsed) is a Sikorsky S-40, famously used by Pan Am for it's South American routes beginning in 1931.
The British Columbia Airways shows what is likely intended to be a Ford Tri-motor:
The balance of the stamps show stylized airplanes.
Roy
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Thank you again Roy! That is very helpful.
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I've always liked this Costa Rica set. There are just soooooooo many air mails from so many countries, and over nearly 100 years, to try and choose from.
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I believe it was the colorful airmail stamps of Guatemala along with the large Quetzal series that got me collecting the country.
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Hardly a classic, but look at how few lines (7) the artist needed to convey the essence of an aircraft without resorting to a stick figure!
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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For me, this is the quintessential airmail stamp. Love this set.
There's nothing on US C1-3 that specifically designates them for airmail use. I was wondering if someone who's knowledgeable with Chinese can tell me what the writing on these say.
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Ernie,
I love the China airmails, too. I do not know Chinese to answer your question, but below are the ones I have in my collection.
Linus
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Benque Asks:
"Does anyone out there know what models the rest of the aircraft are?"
The last one in the group you had pictured shows the aircraft registration number across the wings.
When you get lucky like this, in many places you can look up the particulars online. For this one I found it listed at:
http://www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_CF-1.html
There it is listed as a Junkers A50 ce Junior (here's one from Finland). Doesn't quite look like the one pictured on the stamp, but I suspect they just didn't what to pay the engraver for the extra detail work (ha-ha)!
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Wrong one. It's actually listed as a Junkers W33 ff1 (I believe the ff1 refers to a particular power plant).
(I see where your error occurred, it's CF-AQW, not CF-ALW.)
Here is its sister ship in Canadian Airways livery:
Roy
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Thanks for observing my error, Roy ....
That looks much more like the plane shown in the stamp.
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These were in a Nicaragua collection (in a 1950s French album) that I bought about 30 years ago. I wasn't interested in these and quickly sold them.
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When I think of favorite airmail pages, the Italian one below always seems to come to mind first.
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Thanks for showing the Balbo stamps...i have taken mine out of the album to show several times...the law of averages i do not want to risk anything happening to them. They should have portrayed Balbo on the stamps..not the King.
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Phil, yes those are quite fragile and handling to much can lead to no good.
Here is another favorite airmail page, this one from Spain. The second set features the Spirit of St. Louis
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Just picked up this set at a show this weekend
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Just made this page and added stamps from Togo...
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Benque:
Thank-you for posting a stamp from my beloved Costa Rica. (I've got to get a scanner this week!)
Philb:
As always, a lovely Guat cover!
David in Ottawa, Canada
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Thought this Syria (Scott C88) stamp is attractive.
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Iceland — you gotta love the streamlining of the plane illustrated on the 1Kr & 2Kr stamps:
Detail of the 1Kr stamp:
I've long planned to do a web page about airplanes on stamps that couldn't possibly fly. This is one of them! I'm sure it gave Walt Disney some ideas....
Bob
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It looks a little like a CG-4A glider. Hmm...I wonder if gliders were used to deliver mail. That could be an interesting research topic.
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Look for the book titled "GLIDER MAIL" by Simine Short & Dan Barber,
published by the American Air Mail Society in May 1987
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I have asked if anyone could identify this or that airplane on a stamp, and you folks have always come through for me. Very, very nice to have such a resource as SOR and all my fellow philatelists.
BUT, I find myself spending far too much time trying to identify an airplane-on-stamp, far too often. I certainly don't want to tie up the message boards asking, and asking, and asking again.
Does anyone know a good web site for airplanes-on-stamps, which could be an aid in identifying those airplanes?
I have just spent more than an hour digging through google, with no worthwhile results. I am sure my search criteria is off the mark.
Any suggestions?
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Benque,
The life blood of stamp collecting (and discussion boards like one) is curiosity, research, and cooperation among collectors. It's hard to imagine anyone becoming irritated by requests for information, assuming that the person asking for help has done a reasonable amount of research on their own. Personally, I really enjoy being challenged with questions; if I don't know the answers, I'll want to see what other members have to say.
There's this, too: Organizations of all types are withering on the vine for want of active members. I'm actually concerned about this discussion board, which seems much less active now than it was only a few months ago.
I've been collecting airmail stamps, airplane topicals, and postal history and airplane topical for 35 or 40 years, and I'm often stumped when I try to identify particular aircraft. I'm not aware of any web site that would help you in identifying the aircraft on your stamps. However, the Stanley Gibbons catalogue, Collect Aircraft on Stamps will help a great deal since it provides colour images of stamps by country. Apparently Stanley Gibbons is no longer producing the catalogue; the most recent one seems to be the 2009 edition, shown below. (Beware earlier editions, most or all of which only provided black-and-white images).
The Advanced Book Exchange is currently offering a used copy for US$ 26.39 plus US$ 10.60 shipping to Canada. It's not an easy book to find; to my mind, that price is a bargain. Here's the link: ABE.com
Bob
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Hi Bob,
Thanks very much for your reply and suggestions. Since last night, I've come up with a few ideas to refine my internet searches.
AND, I have just ordered the SG Collect Aircraft on Stamps catalogue, and I thank you again for the link.
Dennis
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Bob
I can see why you might be concerned about the future of the board, because of it's lessening activity.
However if you think about it the decline is inevitable ( but hopefully not terminal), and it is a sign of it's success.
If you look at all the information which appears on this, and other similar boards,together with the number of specialist societies now making the back-catalogue of their magazines available on line ( with their highly detailed information ), the number of new questions which need to to be answered is declining.
In the longterm I can see the enquiry side of all such resources declining, as the amount of new information required declines, and I think there will be an upsurgence in more "narrative" articles dealing with historical context (on the lines of the New Jersey postmarks series),and other more serious essays. I can see the end of "lightweight" material here, as we all become more knowledgeable.
While I can't say that I have a sudden urge to collect New Jersey postal history as a result of the articles,I do find the articles very "readable",while being more intellectually stimulating that watching game shows on TV ! ( but perish the thought that anyone should label me intellectual !!).
There will be an inevitable decline in Summer ( what Summer ?)activity too, as many of us will prefer to be outdoors ( when it is not pouring with rain as it here at the moment !)
Are we downhearted ? No of course not !
Malcolm
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Scanned below is a cover I like from my worldwide postal history collection showing the airmail stamps of India on cover. I like a good registered cover, a good airmail cover, and a good cancellation on a neatly addressed cover. Knowing that some airplane and pilot flew this cover from Alwar-City, India to Paris, France in the year 1930, makes this one cool cover in my collection.
Linus
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Gary,
I don't KNOW a thing about airmails outside the US,but I suspect there wasn't airmail service between Alwar and Paris; rather, air mail was likely from Alwar to the coast, and from there, by sea through Suez. Perhaps air mail was available again, once the ship hit, presumably, Marseilles?
Or, am I being silly and there were routes? Love to know
David, an inquisitive demi-mind
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David- I do not know the route this cover took, but you ask a good question. There are no cancels on the back to help solve the mystery. I post items from my collection in hopes of learning more about them, as well as sharing them with the club. If anyone knows how airplanes flew the mail from India to Europe in 1930, please add to this post.
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Bumping this fine old topic with a new acquisition:
I picked this beauty up for the opening bid of $20. The stamp depicts the Ryan B-1 Brougham, "Queen of the Yukon" which first flew in 1927 as did Lindbergh's Ryan NYP "Spirit of St. Louis", with which it shares tail surfaces.
There are some wonderful exhibits and write-ups of this stamp and the Yukon Airways & Exploration Co.:
Middlesex Stamp Club Exhibits - Yukon Airways and Exploration Company Limited
The Whitehorse Star March 25 1938
From the exhibit, I learned that my cover was flown on a promotional flight.
There is a non-flying replica of the "Queen of the Yukon" on display at the Yukon Transportation Museum:
Incidentally, the addressee on my cover, W. R. Patton, was the Canadian Editor of the Air Post Journal. He probably created it, and posted it.
-Paul
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Here's a real picture postcard featuring the Junkers 160 Schnellverkehrsflugzeug (high-speed airliner):
Posted from Flensburg to Vienna. The registration number on the airplane - D-UQON - does not match up with the Golden Years database, here:
Golden Years of Aviation Civil Aircraft Register - Germany
From wikipedia, 47 of this aircraft were built, the first flight in 1935. Deutsche Lufthansa was the primary user, purchasing 21 of them. I believe the card depicts a 160 A-0 with smaller cockpit windows, of which 11 were registered by Deutsche Lufthansa in 1935. Top speed was 210 MPH. The plane was used domestically on the fast routes between (for example) Berlin and Vienna until 1941.
I like this card because it was mailed only about 5 weeks prior to Germany declaring war on Poland. It appears that the addressee, "Liebe Herr" Ingenieur Giessauf was attached to Luftamt Wien (Vienna Air Office).
I enjoy collecting postally used picture postcards apparently issued by the commercial airlines in the 'early' period.
-Paul
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Nice Schnellverkehrsflugzeug postcard, Paul. I tried saying Schnellverkehrsflugzeug 10 times fast, but learned that I can't even say it one time fast! But I can say that I'd never heard of the Schnellverkehrsflugzeug!
About those 5-pfennig stamps the postcard is franked with: A long time ago someone (in Usenet days?) pointed out that the design shows the stamp setting, not rising, on the Third Reich!
Bob
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Even with airmail, just a bit too late: in 1975, peace in Vietnam ends mail service from and to the U.S.
The Vietnam War ended on April 30, 1975 — 46 years ago today. Among the iconic images made that day were several showing North Vietnamese tanks entering the grounds of the Presidential Palace in Saigon, this one among them:
On December 14, 1976 North Vietnam issued this stamp commemorating the liberation of Saigon:
The fall of Saigon not only ended the Vietnam War (known as the "American War" in Vietnam), but negatively affected mail service from and to the United States. The next cover, sent by a stamp dealer in Ho Chi Minh City/Saigon, illustrates how the official name for Saigon was still being used in postmarks as recently as 2016. The stamp dealer apparently preferred to use Ho Chi Minh City, perhaps for political reasons:
Finally, this airmail cover, postmarked a week before the fall of Saigon, must have been among the last pieces of civilian U.S. mail destined for Saigon.
Bob
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Just wanted to share the completion of the first page for Puerto Rico in my Worldwide Airmail collection...
(catalog reference numbers are from the World Airmail Catalogue published in 1966 by Nicolas Sanabria Co.)
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Here are the remainder of the pages I created for the airmail stamps of Puerto Rico...
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Here are the pages that I have just completed for Martinique in my Worldwide Airmail collection...
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Thanks Terry, for bringing this thread back to life. I just love looking at all those beautiful early aircraft.
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Yes, Benque...I think an interesting note... the aircraft pictured on the 1942 Free French colonial key-type (Fairey FC-1) never made it into production. The company had an order for 14 in 1938, but, with the outbreak of World War II, never produced a single aircraft. The design was shown to Lockheed, and Lockheed later, in 1943, produced the very successful Lockheed 'Constellation'. The similarity to the Fairey FC-1 is "fairly" obvious.
A promotional photo of a model of the Fairey FC-1 “in flight” :
Lockheed 'Constellation':
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Terry: I wondering if your information correct. There may be a "French Connection" (I've noticed the similarity between Excalibur and the Constellation) but my understanding is that a plane with the Constellation's specs was being considered as early as 1937. From Wikipedia:
"Lockheed had been working on the L-044 Excalibur, a four-engined, pressurized airliner, since 1937. In 1939, Transcontinental and Western Airlines (TWA), at the instigation of major stockholder Howard Hughes, requested a 40-passenger transcontinental airliner with a range of 3,500 mi (5,600 km)—well beyond the capabilities of the Excalibur design. TWA's requirements led to the L-049 Constellation, designed by Lockheed engineers, including Kelly Johnson and Hall Hibbard. Willis Hawkins, another Lockheed engineer, maintains that the Excalibur program was purely a cover for the Constellation."
If Lockheed had only started work in 1942, it never would have been able to get to "first flight" in 1943. I think. I am not an aircraft engineer or historian! But the first "Connies" were absolutely built for the military. Here's a wartime postcard from my collection:
The Constellation is my favourite aircraft of all time. I was fortunate to have a "ride" in one, a Military Air Transport Command Connie, in 1963, from Travis Air Force Base to Japan via Hawaii and Wake Island. For an hour or so outside Hickham Field in Hawaii, I got to sit int the co-pilot's seat! See my web page, Low & Slow in a Connie.
Bob
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In June 1938 the one and only Douglas DC-4E (the E added later for experimental) made its first flight. It also had the triple tail vertical stabilizers which are similar to the Connie and the Fairey. It was not successful and was said to have been designed by a committee which included some of the airlines. The later wartime DC-4 with just the single tail became a very successful military and commercial aircraft. The reason given for the original triple tail design was that some of the airline hanger doors were not high enough to allow a plane with a high single tail to enter. The DC-4E is shown below.
I think you can see the height problem here if that is a United hanger.
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Thought I'd start a new thread for folks to show their worldwide airmail stamps and covers.
Here's some new stamps I just got recently.
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In 1917 Italy produced a stamp to be used on the first air mail flight via airplane. Below is a first day card which was carried on that first flight.
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From my "Sold Database", here is your missing Gelber Hund flight card:
Roy
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I no longer own this one, but still have the nice scan in my digital collection........
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Here is a Newfoundland, and some Canadian air "mail" stamps from my collection, including my favourite air mail stamp, the Canada Scott C6 "Mackenzie River Steamer and Aircraft (Beaver??)
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Although I do not specialize in the stamps of Greece I do love the stylization and pastels colors of these…
Don
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"Mackenzie River Steamer and Aircraft (Beaver??)"
The ship is the Hudson's Bay Company "SS Distributor" which plied the Mackenzie River from the 1920s to the 1940s.
The airplane is not a Beaver, which is a single engine plane, but rather a Fairchild 45-80 Sekani. Great to have it on a stamp (from an actual photo), but it was a lousy bush plane with performance so poor it almost sank the company.
Roy
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Thanks Roy! I just knew someone would come through with the aircraft type. And, back in the early 70s, I even did some work on the floats for a Beaver, but couldn't remember the "single engine" detail.
Does anyone out there know what models the rest of the aircraft are?
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When I was collecting, my primary focus was pre-1940 colonial Africa. I didn't have much use for most of the stamps for the Italian colonies, but there were exceptions such as this set for Tripolitania.
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Many of my favorite airmail stamps come from South America. Here are a few first pages from Uruguay. The bottom three stamps on the first page were only sold on one day and for use on that day.
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Very nice Mitch. Love the ones from Uruguay! Just got this one from Turkey...
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"Does anyone out there know what models the rest of the aircraft are?"
The one on the Newfoundland label (not a stamp since it was never authorized by Newfoundland and the proposed flight plans collapsed) is a Sikorsky S-40, famously used by Pan Am for it's South American routes beginning in 1931.
The British Columbia Airways shows what is likely intended to be a Ford Tri-motor:
The balance of the stamps show stylized airplanes.
Roy
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Thank you again Roy! That is very helpful.
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I've always liked this Costa Rica set. There are just soooooooo many air mails from so many countries, and over nearly 100 years, to try and choose from.
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I believe it was the colorful airmail stamps of Guatemala along with the large Quetzal series that got me collecting the country.
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Hardly a classic, but look at how few lines (7) the artist needed to convey the essence of an aircraft without resorting to a stick figure!
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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For me, this is the quintessential airmail stamp. Love this set.
There's nothing on US C1-3 that specifically designates them for airmail use. I was wondering if someone who's knowledgeable with Chinese can tell me what the writing on these say.
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Ernie,
I love the China airmails, too. I do not know Chinese to answer your question, but below are the ones I have in my collection.
Linus
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Benque Asks:
"Does anyone out there know what models the rest of the aircraft are?"
The last one in the group you had pictured shows the aircraft registration number across the wings.
When you get lucky like this, in many places you can look up the particulars online. For this one I found it listed at:
http://www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_CF-1.html
There it is listed as a Junkers A50 ce Junior (here's one from Finland). Doesn't quite look like the one pictured on the stamp, but I suspect they just didn't what to pay the engraver for the extra detail work (ha-ha)!
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Wrong one. It's actually listed as a Junkers W33 ff1 (I believe the ff1 refers to a particular power plant).
(I see where your error occurred, it's CF-AQW, not CF-ALW.)
Here is its sister ship in Canadian Airways livery:
Roy
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Thanks for observing my error, Roy ....
That looks much more like the plane shown in the stamp.
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These were in a Nicaragua collection (in a 1950s French album) that I bought about 30 years ago. I wasn't interested in these and quickly sold them.
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When I think of favorite airmail pages, the Italian one below always seems to come to mind first.
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Thanks for showing the Balbo stamps...i have taken mine out of the album to show several times...the law of averages i do not want to risk anything happening to them. They should have portrayed Balbo on the stamps..not the King.
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Phil, yes those are quite fragile and handling to much can lead to no good.
Here is another favorite airmail page, this one from Spain. The second set features the Spirit of St. Louis
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Just picked up this set at a show this weekend
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Just made this page and added stamps from Togo...
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Benque:
Thank-you for posting a stamp from my beloved Costa Rica. (I've got to get a scanner this week!)
Philb:
As always, a lovely Guat cover!
David in Ottawa, Canada
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Thought this Syria (Scott C88) stamp is attractive.
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Iceland — you gotta love the streamlining of the plane illustrated on the 1Kr & 2Kr stamps:
Detail of the 1Kr stamp:
I've long planned to do a web page about airplanes on stamps that couldn't possibly fly. This is one of them! I'm sure it gave Walt Disney some ideas....
Bob
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It looks a little like a CG-4A glider. Hmm...I wonder if gliders were used to deliver mail. That could be an interesting research topic.
WB
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Look for the book titled "GLIDER MAIL" by Simine Short & Dan Barber,
published by the American Air Mail Society in May 1987
Randy
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I have asked if anyone could identify this or that airplane on a stamp, and you folks have always come through for me. Very, very nice to have such a resource as SOR and all my fellow philatelists.
BUT, I find myself spending far too much time trying to identify an airplane-on-stamp, far too often. I certainly don't want to tie up the message boards asking, and asking, and asking again.
Does anyone know a good web site for airplanes-on-stamps, which could be an aid in identifying those airplanes?
I have just spent more than an hour digging through google, with no worthwhile results. I am sure my search criteria is off the mark.
Any suggestions?
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Benque,
The life blood of stamp collecting (and discussion boards like one) is curiosity, research, and cooperation among collectors. It's hard to imagine anyone becoming irritated by requests for information, assuming that the person asking for help has done a reasonable amount of research on their own. Personally, I really enjoy being challenged with questions; if I don't know the answers, I'll want to see what other members have to say.
There's this, too: Organizations of all types are withering on the vine for want of active members. I'm actually concerned about this discussion board, which seems much less active now than it was only a few months ago.
I've been collecting airmail stamps, airplane topicals, and postal history and airplane topical for 35 or 40 years, and I'm often stumped when I try to identify particular aircraft. I'm not aware of any web site that would help you in identifying the aircraft on your stamps. However, the Stanley Gibbons catalogue, Collect Aircraft on Stamps will help a great deal since it provides colour images of stamps by country. Apparently Stanley Gibbons is no longer producing the catalogue; the most recent one seems to be the 2009 edition, shown below. (Beware earlier editions, most or all of which only provided black-and-white images).
The Advanced Book Exchange is currently offering a used copy for US$ 26.39 plus US$ 10.60 shipping to Canada. It's not an easy book to find; to my mind, that price is a bargain. Here's the link: ABE.com
Bob
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Hi Bob,
Thanks very much for your reply and suggestions. Since last night, I've come up with a few ideas to refine my internet searches.
AND, I have just ordered the SG Collect Aircraft on Stamps catalogue, and I thank you again for the link.
Dennis
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Bob
I can see why you might be concerned about the future of the board, because of it's lessening activity.
However if you think about it the decline is inevitable ( but hopefully not terminal), and it is a sign of it's success.
If you look at all the information which appears on this, and other similar boards,together with the number of specialist societies now making the back-catalogue of their magazines available on line ( with their highly detailed information ), the number of new questions which need to to be answered is declining.
In the longterm I can see the enquiry side of all such resources declining, as the amount of new information required declines, and I think there will be an upsurgence in more "narrative" articles dealing with historical context (on the lines of the New Jersey postmarks series),and other more serious essays. I can see the end of "lightweight" material here, as we all become more knowledgeable.
While I can't say that I have a sudden urge to collect New Jersey postal history as a result of the articles,I do find the articles very "readable",while being more intellectually stimulating that watching game shows on TV ! ( but perish the thought that anyone should label me intellectual !!).
There will be an inevitable decline in Summer ( what Summer ?)activity too, as many of us will prefer to be outdoors ( when it is not pouring with rain as it here at the moment !)
Are we downhearted ? No of course not !
Malcolm
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Scanned below is a cover I like from my worldwide postal history collection showing the airmail stamps of India on cover. I like a good registered cover, a good airmail cover, and a good cancellation on a neatly addressed cover. Knowing that some airplane and pilot flew this cover from Alwar-City, India to Paris, France in the year 1930, makes this one cool cover in my collection.
Linus
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Gary,
I don't KNOW a thing about airmails outside the US,but I suspect there wasn't airmail service between Alwar and Paris; rather, air mail was likely from Alwar to the coast, and from there, by sea through Suez. Perhaps air mail was available again, once the ship hit, presumably, Marseilles?
Or, am I being silly and there were routes? Love to know
David, an inquisitive demi-mind
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David- I do not know the route this cover took, but you ask a good question. There are no cancels on the back to help solve the mystery. I post items from my collection in hopes of learning more about them, as well as sharing them with the club. If anyone knows how airplanes flew the mail from India to Europe in 1930, please add to this post.
Linus
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Bumping this fine old topic with a new acquisition:
I picked this beauty up for the opening bid of $20. The stamp depicts the Ryan B-1 Brougham, "Queen of the Yukon" which first flew in 1927 as did Lindbergh's Ryan NYP "Spirit of St. Louis", with which it shares tail surfaces.
There are some wonderful exhibits and write-ups of this stamp and the Yukon Airways & Exploration Co.:
Middlesex Stamp Club Exhibits - Yukon Airways and Exploration Company Limited
The Whitehorse Star March 25 1938
From the exhibit, I learned that my cover was flown on a promotional flight.
There is a non-flying replica of the "Queen of the Yukon" on display at the Yukon Transportation Museum:
Incidentally, the addressee on my cover, W. R. Patton, was the Canadian Editor of the Air Post Journal. He probably created it, and posted it.
-Paul
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Here's a real picture postcard featuring the Junkers 160 Schnellverkehrsflugzeug (high-speed airliner):
Posted from Flensburg to Vienna. The registration number on the airplane - D-UQON - does not match up with the Golden Years database, here:
Golden Years of Aviation Civil Aircraft Register - Germany
From wikipedia, 47 of this aircraft were built, the first flight in 1935. Deutsche Lufthansa was the primary user, purchasing 21 of them. I believe the card depicts a 160 A-0 with smaller cockpit windows, of which 11 were registered by Deutsche Lufthansa in 1935. Top speed was 210 MPH. The plane was used domestically on the fast routes between (for example) Berlin and Vienna until 1941.
I like this card because it was mailed only about 5 weeks prior to Germany declaring war on Poland. It appears that the addressee, "Liebe Herr" Ingenieur Giessauf was attached to Luftamt Wien (Vienna Air Office).
I enjoy collecting postally used picture postcards apparently issued by the commercial airlines in the 'early' period.
-Paul
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Nice Schnellverkehrsflugzeug postcard, Paul. I tried saying Schnellverkehrsflugzeug 10 times fast, but learned that I can't even say it one time fast! But I can say that I'd never heard of the Schnellverkehrsflugzeug!
About those 5-pfennig stamps the postcard is franked with: A long time ago someone (in Usenet days?) pointed out that the design shows the stamp setting, not rising, on the Third Reich!
Bob
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Even with airmail, just a bit too late: in 1975, peace in Vietnam ends mail service from and to the U.S.
The Vietnam War ended on April 30, 1975 — 46 years ago today. Among the iconic images made that day were several showing North Vietnamese tanks entering the grounds of the Presidential Palace in Saigon, this one among them:
On December 14, 1976 North Vietnam issued this stamp commemorating the liberation of Saigon:
The fall of Saigon not only ended the Vietnam War (known as the "American War" in Vietnam), but negatively affected mail service from and to the United States. The next cover, sent by a stamp dealer in Ho Chi Minh City/Saigon, illustrates how the official name for Saigon was still being used in postmarks as recently as 2016. The stamp dealer apparently preferred to use Ho Chi Minh City, perhaps for political reasons:
Finally, this airmail cover, postmarked a week before the fall of Saigon, must have been among the last pieces of civilian U.S. mail destined for Saigon.
Bob
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Just wanted to share the completion of the first page for Puerto Rico in my Worldwide Airmail collection...
(catalog reference numbers are from the World Airmail Catalogue published in 1966 by Nicolas Sanabria Co.)
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Here are the remainder of the pages I created for the airmail stamps of Puerto Rico...
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Here are the pages that I have just completed for Martinique in my Worldwide Airmail collection...
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Thanks Terry, for bringing this thread back to life. I just love looking at all those beautiful early aircraft.
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Yes, Benque...I think an interesting note... the aircraft pictured on the 1942 Free French colonial key-type (Fairey FC-1) never made it into production. The company had an order for 14 in 1938, but, with the outbreak of World War II, never produced a single aircraft. The design was shown to Lockheed, and Lockheed later, in 1943, produced the very successful Lockheed 'Constellation'. The similarity to the Fairey FC-1 is "fairly" obvious.
A promotional photo of a model of the Fairey FC-1 “in flight” :
Lockheed 'Constellation':
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Terry: I wondering if your information correct. There may be a "French Connection" (I've noticed the similarity between Excalibur and the Constellation) but my understanding is that a plane with the Constellation's specs was being considered as early as 1937. From Wikipedia:
"Lockheed had been working on the L-044 Excalibur, a four-engined, pressurized airliner, since 1937. In 1939, Transcontinental and Western Airlines (TWA), at the instigation of major stockholder Howard Hughes, requested a 40-passenger transcontinental airliner with a range of 3,500 mi (5,600 km)—well beyond the capabilities of the Excalibur design. TWA's requirements led to the L-049 Constellation, designed by Lockheed engineers, including Kelly Johnson and Hall Hibbard. Willis Hawkins, another Lockheed engineer, maintains that the Excalibur program was purely a cover for the Constellation."
If Lockheed had only started work in 1942, it never would have been able to get to "first flight" in 1943. I think. I am not an aircraft engineer or historian! But the first "Connies" were absolutely built for the military. Here's a wartime postcard from my collection:
The Constellation is my favourite aircraft of all time. I was fortunate to have a "ride" in one, a Military Air Transport Command Connie, in 1963, from Travis Air Force Base to Japan via Hawaii and Wake Island. For an hour or so outside Hickham Field in Hawaii, I got to sit int the co-pilot's seat! See my web page, Low & Slow in a Connie.
Bob
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In June 1938 the one and only Douglas DC-4E (the E added later for experimental) made its first flight. It also had the triple tail vertical stabilizers which are similar to the Connie and the Fairey. It was not successful and was said to have been designed by a committee which included some of the airlines. The later wartime DC-4 with just the single tail became a very successful military and commercial aircraft. The reason given for the original triple tail design was that some of the airline hanger doors were not high enough to allow a plane with a high single tail to enter. The DC-4E is shown below.
I think you can see the height problem here if that is a United hanger.
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