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United States/Covers & Postmarks : Die Numbers on International Machine Cancels

 

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DougN

17 Jan 2017
09:41:22pm
Does anyone know what is indicated by the die numbers in these International machine cancels (4 in the example)?
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18 Jan 2017
10:53:15am
re: Die Numbers on International Machine Cancels

If I am not mistaken, the 4 is the machine number and the C is the service letter. I believe the cancel was made by the International Machine Company on a Doremus machine. The 4 identifies the individual machine as a check on the canceling clerk at the hour in the post mark. In large offices with many machines, improperly cancelled mail can thereby be held to the responsible clerk. Except for Chicago and Boston that number was only used between 1894 - 1900. Since your post mark is dated 1904, I can only guess that is what the 4 means. As to the service number, I believe the C stands for “Collected” from letterboxes as apposed to “Dropped” in PO mail slots. All this information was gleaned from The Flag Cancel Encyclopedia by Frederick Langford, and Postmarks on Postcards, by Richard W. Helbock.

Maybe someone with a lot more knowledge can provide additional information or correct any errors I made.

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18 Jan 2017
01:20:39pm
re: Die Numbers on International Machine Cancels

The number four is the machine number. Some post offices had one machine, five machines, etc. I have not heard of International cancels on Doremus machines. Doremus had their own cancels for their own machines. This would be an International machine and cancel.

I do not know what the letter c is for.

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18 Jan 2017
05:57:33pm
re: Die Numbers on International Machine Cancels

Smauggie, you are absolutely correct. My mistake. When researching the cancellations I found that there were 5 manufacturers that made machines that cancelled in the general design presented. International, Universal, Columbia, American Postal and Barry. The Doremus cancels were parallel vertical lines and not wavy.

Still trying to learn about postmarks.

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DougN

19 Jan 2017
07:43:44pm
re: Die Numbers on International Machine Cancels

Thanks everyone for the info.

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19 Jan 2017
08:28:57pm
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DougN

17 Jan 2017
09:41:22pm

Does anyone know what is indicated by the die numbers in these International machine cancels (4 in the example)?
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18 Jan 2017
10:53:15am

re: Die Numbers on International Machine Cancels

If I am not mistaken, the 4 is the machine number and the C is the service letter. I believe the cancel was made by the International Machine Company on a Doremus machine. The 4 identifies the individual machine as a check on the canceling clerk at the hour in the post mark. In large offices with many machines, improperly cancelled mail can thereby be held to the responsible clerk. Except for Chicago and Boston that number was only used between 1894 - 1900. Since your post mark is dated 1904, I can only guess that is what the 4 means. As to the service number, I believe the C stands for “Collected” from letterboxes as apposed to “Dropped” in PO mail slots. All this information was gleaned from The Flag Cancel Encyclopedia by Frederick Langford, and Postmarks on Postcards, by Richard W. Helbock.

Maybe someone with a lot more knowledge can provide additional information or correct any errors I made.

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smauggie

18 Jan 2017
01:20:39pm

re: Die Numbers on International Machine Cancels

The number four is the machine number. Some post offices had one machine, five machines, etc. I have not heard of International cancels on Doremus machines. Doremus had their own cancels for their own machines. This would be an International machine and cancel.

I do not know what the letter c is for.

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18 Jan 2017
05:57:33pm

re: Die Numbers on International Machine Cancels

Smauggie, you are absolutely correct. My mistake. When researching the cancellations I found that there were 5 manufacturers that made machines that cancelled in the general design presented. International, Universal, Columbia, American Postal and Barry. The Doremus cancels were parallel vertical lines and not wavy.

Still trying to learn about postmarks.

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DougN

19 Jan 2017
07:43:44pm

re: Die Numbers on International Machine Cancels

Thanks everyone for the info.

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19 Jan 2017
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re: Die Numbers on International Machine Cancels

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