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Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/US-Scott-1-Used-4-Margin-XF-light-cancel-Gem-Sound-Stamp-2016-SCV-400/232188988339?_trksid=p2046732.c100040.m2060&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160516100611%26meid%3De031d113f9ef418bab150432e623d097%26pid%3D100040%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D232188970384
Also, I was thinking to find out more about the backside. Any other questions I should be posing?
Thanks,
-Charles
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Looks like a nice stamp to me, although XF/GEM is a stretch due to the tight left margin. Very few early U.S. stamps have been known to be counterfeited and I do not know of any #1's being forged and I have no doubt this stamp is genuine. If the stamp is actually sound without any faults or repairs the price isn't far off. If a seller clearly overrates a stamp, in this case centering, I always have to wonder what else may not have been described correctly or not even mentioned.
If you are really interested ask the seller for a high res scan of the reverse.
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I would also ask for a back scan and whether there are any other faults.
It does look clean, meaning the cancel for some reason looks barely visible. Whether that's a concern I don't know. Its not XF to me but its four margins, one close. $299 for XF #1 with no faults seems low price to me, but #1 pricing seems to be declining.
What do you know about this seller? Sold 202 items all I can see. But, you could return it if there are problems.
Old forgeries of this issue are crude but I also wouldn't underestimate the potential for shenanigans on Ebay sales.
http://www.theswedishtiger.com/ID0.html
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I'm a big #1 fan, it's Ben Franklin after all! 
That is a very nice stamp. You can see the seller has rejected two offers, wouldn't hurt to take a shot. I've been pretty lucky with "Make An Offer" on eBay recently.
If it's too clean for ya, you could always do the Sharpie thing! Nice margins but what a cancel! 
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If we go by Scott grading standards, it isn't VF, more close to F/VF if you ask, I've seen perforated stamps in which the perf. cuts into the design and they are called F/VF, at any rate a nice looking stamp nevertheless.
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Thank you. This is very helpful. I decided to buy it after all on the basis of your comments!!!
-Charles
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Scott uses different grading standards for early issues. For the 1847 issue, F-VF has all margins clear, but one is very close to the frame line. VF shows all margins sufficiently clear. XF has larger margins approximating the illustrated stamp. However, I wouldn't call it XF due to the top right corner. I would call it VF, but I can see where someone might consider it to be F-VF once again due to the top right corner.
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Michael, I think that we must be looking at different stamps, to me it is the left margin the one that renders the stamp to F/VF. My 2006 ed. of Scott shows the penny black as example for the F/VF, VF and XF classifications and the F/VF is the closest match, I don't see anything wrong with the top right corner, actually the top and bottom margins are just as even as you can get and the right margin is very generous.
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I think Michael was looking at BenFranklin's image, which was shown as a joke. The real stamp is on the eBay listing and appears to be a very nice stamp indeed!
But I agree it's F-VF based on left margin, but it's pretty darn close to VF for sure!
Lars
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So Tom bamboozled me and it isn't even April 1!
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There are a few forgeries of the 5c but are quite crude unlike the very good Sperati 10c
There is a modern reproduction made from a plate coming out of Florida which is excellent in every detail. The paper has even been aged.
As for values
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Curious why such a stamp would not be accompanied by a certificate!
rrr....
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There's tons of U.S.#1 sold at auction without a cert. More without than with imho
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I bought my #1 and #2 with certs. Even if forgeries are crude and easy to spot, certs are good for confirming varieties/color/cancel.
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Cherrystone auction (no slouch of an outfit) is currently offering 14 US #1s in there current sale. 3 include a cert.
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02:48:09pm
Does this stamp look legit? I am new to collecting, but like the clean look of this stamp. Perhaps it is too clean looking?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/US-Scott-1-Used-4-Margin-XF-light-cancel-Gem-Sound-Stamp-2016-SCV-400/232188988339?_trksid=p2046732.c100040.m2060&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160516100611%26meid%3De031d113f9ef418bab150432e623d097%26pid%3D100040%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D232188970384
Also, I was thinking to find out more about the backside. Any other questions I should be posing?
Thanks,
-Charles
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re: US Scott # 1: Legit?
Looks like a nice stamp to me, although XF/GEM is a stretch due to the tight left margin. Very few early U.S. stamps have been known to be counterfeited and I do not know of any #1's being forged and I have no doubt this stamp is genuine. If the stamp is actually sound without any faults or repairs the price isn't far off. If a seller clearly overrates a stamp, in this case centering, I always have to wonder what else may not have been described correctly or not even mentioned.
If you are really interested ask the seller for a high res scan of the reverse.
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re: US Scott # 1: Legit?
I would also ask for a back scan and whether there are any other faults.
It does look clean, meaning the cancel for some reason looks barely visible. Whether that's a concern I don't know. Its not XF to me but its four margins, one close. $299 for XF #1 with no faults seems low price to me, but #1 pricing seems to be declining.
What do you know about this seller? Sold 202 items all I can see. But, you could return it if there are problems.
Old forgeries of this issue are crude but I also wouldn't underestimate the potential for shenanigans on Ebay sales.
http://www.theswedishtiger.com/ID0.html
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re: US Scott # 1: Legit?
I'm a big #1 fan, it's Ben Franklin after all!
That is a very nice stamp. You can see the seller has rejected two offers, wouldn't hurt to take a shot. I've been pretty lucky with "Make An Offer" on eBay recently.
If it's too clean for ya, you could always do the Sharpie thing! Nice margins but what a cancel!
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re: US Scott # 1: Legit?
If we go by Scott grading standards, it isn't VF, more close to F/VF if you ask, I've seen perforated stamps in which the perf. cuts into the design and they are called F/VF, at any rate a nice looking stamp nevertheless.
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08:07:19pm
re: US Scott # 1: Legit?
Thank you. This is very helpful. I decided to buy it after all on the basis of your comments!!!
-Charles
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09:07:53pm
re: US Scott # 1: Legit?
Scott uses different grading standards for early issues. For the 1847 issue, F-VF has all margins clear, but one is very close to the frame line. VF shows all margins sufficiently clear. XF has larger margins approximating the illustrated stamp. However, I wouldn't call it XF due to the top right corner. I would call it VF, but I can see where someone might consider it to be F-VF once again due to the top right corner.
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re: US Scott # 1: Legit?
Michael, I think that we must be looking at different stamps, to me it is the left margin the one that renders the stamp to F/VF. My 2006 ed. of Scott shows the penny black as example for the F/VF, VF and XF classifications and the F/VF is the closest match, I don't see anything wrong with the top right corner, actually the top and bottom margins are just as even as you can get and the right margin is very generous.
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re: US Scott # 1: Legit?
I think Michael was looking at BenFranklin's image, which was shown as a joke. The real stamp is on the eBay listing and appears to be a very nice stamp indeed!
But I agree it's F-VF based on left margin, but it's pretty darn close to VF for sure!
Lars
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06:14:06am
re: US Scott # 1: Legit?
... So Tom bamboozled me and it isn't even April 1!
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08:13:13am
re: US Scott # 1: Legit?
There are a few forgeries of the 5c but are quite crude unlike the very good Sperati 10c
There is a modern reproduction made from a plate coming out of Florida which is excellent in every detail. The paper has even been aged.
As for values
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re: US Scott # 1: Legit?
Curious why such a stamp would not be accompanied by a certificate!
rrr....
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05:15:54pm
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There's tons of U.S.#1 sold at auction without a cert. More without than with imho
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re: US Scott # 1: Legit?
I bought my #1 and #2 with certs. Even if forgeries are crude and easy to spot, certs are good for confirming varieties/color/cancel.
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06:30:42pm
re: US Scott # 1: Legit?
Cherrystone auction (no slouch of an outfit) is currently offering 14 US #1s in there current sale. 3 include a cert.
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