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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Keep your eyes out for this stuff

 

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seanpashby
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15 Dec 2016
10:00:52pm
A dealer I see at all the shows I go to was robbed after a show In Vegas. They reportedly got over a million dollars in stamps. I would love to see these crooks get caught.

http://canadianstampnews.com/1m-worth-u-s-stamps-reported-stolen-las-vegas/

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michael78651

16 Dec 2016
10:54:13am
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The dealer didn't get robbed. The car was burglarized. I can't believe that he would leave all the stamps in the back seat of the car. The solution is not to leave valuables (of any kind) in plain site in an unattended vehicle. You're just asking for trouble when you do. This was totally preventable.

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Al
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16 Dec 2016
04:15:23pm
re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

I helped (not enough) my Dad when he was dealing in coins we drove to shows and always worried about people following you. Most dealers were 1 or 2 person deals so lots of time moving stuff to vehicles, etc. and exposed.

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16 Dec 2016
04:40:53pm
re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

"http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/29/us/daring-gold-theft-ny-trnd/"


It always pays to lock stuff in the trunk/boot, briefcases, presents, out of sight is out of mind.
Our friends had their house burgled while they were at the wedding and lost most of the wedding gifts.
Keep all your Christmas presents out of sight if you are away from the house for any period of time.
Let us all have a trouble free Christmas this year.
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michael78651

16 Dec 2016
05:18:26pm
re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

Regarding Christmas presents that come in big boxes, do not put the boxes at the curb so that people can see what used to be in them. Crunch them up and put them in the trash cans. At the least, break the boxes down, and turn them inside out before putting them out at the curb.

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18 Dec 2016
09:36:17am
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"do not put the boxes at the curb"



I make it a point to always take the cardboard boxes to the Recycle Center. They'd have to follow me home. Our rural area has trash pickup but no recycling program unless you do the work (and transport it) yourself.

The center is less than five miles from the house so each weekend I'll take a load of something out there. Cardboard one trip, Milk jugs and plastics on a trip, cans and aluminum on a trip. I always go early and swing by the donut shop for a treat.


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2010ccg

18 Dec 2016
01:23:15pm
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Robbed and burglarized seem the same to me...My husband`s home was burglarized by a pair of robbers and even with an alarm system I don`t know how it could have been prevented

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carlberky
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18 Dec 2016
01:52:43pm
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... Robbed and burglarized seem the same to me...My husband`s home was burglarized by a pair of robbers ...

Sounds right to me. Burglarized by a pair of robbers, robbed by a pair of burglars ... take your pick.

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18 Dec 2016
02:09:05pm
re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

Legally there is a difference.
http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/criminal-offense/differences-between-theft-burglary-robbery#

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18 Dec 2016
02:24:15pm
re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

sheepshank

Thanks for the clarification. Just wondering ... how do we label a 'bad guy' who takes someone's wallet during a home invasion?Happy

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18 Dec 2016
03:16:18pm
re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

Taking a wallet during a home invasion I would consider to be Robbery but I'm sure the prosecutors would lay multiple charges including Burglary even if you had invited the person onto your premises, in certain circumstances, such as a pretext of having to use a telephone/washroom.
I'm sure that one of our more legally qualified members can weigh in with a better explanation.
It probably also varies from state to state, provincial/federal law and by country.

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2010ccg

18 Dec 2016
05:57:49pm
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and that explain *a burglary in progress* who would have thought??

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PaulMitchell

18 Dec 2016
11:03:15pm
re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

Taking a wallet in a home invasion is technically a "robbery" as it's taking property from a person by force or threat with no intent to return it but it may depend on your state or province on the exact wording of the crime. In Washington State the charge for home invasion would be burglary in the first degree if armed with a deadly weapon or if the perpetrator assaults the victim.

The charge for stealing the stamps would probably be under some larceny or theft statute and it would be interesting to know what type of insurance policy the owner has.

A "burglary in progress" could be a home invasion if the call to the authorities is made while the perpetrator is still in the home.

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31 Dec 2016
02:52:51am
re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

A general thumbnail is that a robbery involves the victim, and force or threat of force against a person. A burglary is against a safeguard; a building, shed, car or closed desk drawer in the owner's absence.

I had two components to my insurance when I ran a business, one for physical robbery and the other for being burgled.

" ...how do we label a 'bad guy' who takes someone's wallet during a home invasion? ..."
A person with a strong death wish.


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31 Dec 2016
01:47:22pm
re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

Michael78651 said,

"Regarding Christmas presents that come in big boxes, do not put the boxes at the curb so that people can see what used to be in them."



It's OK to put the boxes at the curb, but just make sure you don't put them at the curb in front of your house! Put them at the curb in front of your neighbour's house! Angel

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michael78651

31 Dec 2016
03:23:25pm
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If you break into someone's home (or a place of business), no one is there, and you take things, that's a burglary.

If you break into someone's home (or a place of business), someone is there, and you take things by force or threat of force, or even tell them to take their wallet out of their pocket/purse and give it to you, that's a robbery. It is a robbery even if you simply take an item out of someone's hand ("strong-arm robbery").

If you break into someone's home, no one is there, and you take a wallet from a dresser, that's a burglary.

If you are invited in by a homeowner or someone with the authority to invite people in, and you take something without the owner's effective consent, that's a theft, not a burglary. If you used or threatened force against a person to take the item (or simply took it from their person) that is a robbery. This includes walking into a place of business during normal business hours.

If you are invited in by a homeowner or someone with the authority to invite people in, and you take something by force or threat of force, that's a robbery even if you were invited in. This includes walking into a place of business during normal business hours.

If you enter someone's property without their permission, or if you had permission and that permission was rescinded either while you were there or later, that is trespassing.

Often, such crimes involve multiple violations, and multiple charges would be filed against the perpetrator. Breaking in a home is burglary (charge one); Taking property from a person there is robbery (charge two); if weapons were used, if someone or a pet was hurt or worse, if people were held hostage when the police arrived, etc., there would be other charges as well. The more charges of the same type, such as felonies that can be added to the list of offenses, the harder it is to plea bargain a much lower sentence since the multiple charges indicate how far the perpetrator was willing to go in the commission of the overall criminal act.

Of course state/country laws may vary a bit (but not much with these specific crimes), and circumstances may occur during the commission of the crime that may change the nature of the offense, so check your penal code for the exact legal language for your state.

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seanpashby

15 Dec 2016
10:00:52pm

A dealer I see at all the shows I go to was robbed after a show In Vegas. They reportedly got over a million dollars in stamps. I would love to see these crooks get caught.

http://canadianstampnews.com/1m-worth-u-s-stamps-reported-stolen-las-vegas/

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michael78651

16 Dec 2016
10:54:13am

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

The dealer didn't get robbed. The car was burglarized. I can't believe that he would leave all the stamps in the back seat of the car. The solution is not to leave valuables (of any kind) in plain site in an unattended vehicle. You're just asking for trouble when you do. This was totally preventable.

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Al
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16 Dec 2016
04:15:23pm

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

I helped (not enough) my Dad when he was dealing in coins we drove to shows and always worried about people following you. Most dealers were 1 or 2 person deals so lots of time moving stuff to vehicles, etc. and exposed.

Al

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sheepshanks

16 Dec 2016
04:40:53pm

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

"http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/29/us/daring-gold-theft-ny-trnd/"


It always pays to lock stuff in the trunk/boot, briefcases, presents, out of sight is out of mind.
Our friends had their house burgled while they were at the wedding and lost most of the wedding gifts.
Keep all your Christmas presents out of sight if you are away from the house for any period of time.
Let us all have a trouble free Christmas this year.
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michael78651

16 Dec 2016
05:18:26pm

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

Regarding Christmas presents that come in big boxes, do not put the boxes at the curb so that people can see what used to be in them. Crunch them up and put them in the trash cans. At the least, break the boxes down, and turn them inside out before putting them out at the curb.

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MikeyToo

18 Dec 2016
09:36:17am

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff


"do not put the boxes at the curb"



I make it a point to always take the cardboard boxes to the Recycle Center. They'd have to follow me home. Our rural area has trash pickup but no recycling program unless you do the work (and transport it) yourself.

The center is less than five miles from the house so each weekend I'll take a load of something out there. Cardboard one trip, Milk jugs and plastics on a trip, cans and aluminum on a trip. I always go early and swing by the donut shop for a treat.


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2010ccg

18 Dec 2016
01:23:15pm

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

Robbed and burglarized seem the same to me...My husband`s home was burglarized by a pair of robbers and even with an alarm system I don`t know how it could have been prevented

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carlberky

18 Dec 2016
01:52:43pm

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

... Robbed and burglarized seem the same to me...My husband`s home was burglarized by a pair of robbers ...

Sounds right to me. Burglarized by a pair of robbers, robbed by a pair of burglars ... take your pick.

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sheepshanks

18 Dec 2016
02:09:05pm

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

Legally there is a difference.
http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/criminal-offense/differences-between-theft-burglary-robbery#

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18 Dec 2016
02:24:15pm

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sheepshank

Thanks for the clarification. Just wondering ... how do we label a 'bad guy' who takes someone's wallet during a home invasion?Happy

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sheepshanks

18 Dec 2016
03:16:18pm

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

Taking a wallet during a home invasion I would consider to be Robbery but I'm sure the prosecutors would lay multiple charges including Burglary even if you had invited the person onto your premises, in certain circumstances, such as a pretext of having to use a telephone/washroom.
I'm sure that one of our more legally qualified members can weigh in with a better explanation.
It probably also varies from state to state, provincial/federal law and by country.

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2010ccg

18 Dec 2016
05:57:49pm

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

and that explain *a burglary in progress* who would have thought??

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PaulMitchell

18 Dec 2016
11:03:15pm

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

Taking a wallet in a home invasion is technically a "robbery" as it's taking property from a person by force or threat with no intent to return it but it may depend on your state or province on the exact wording of the crime. In Washington State the charge for home invasion would be burglary in the first degree if armed with a deadly weapon or if the perpetrator assaults the victim.

The charge for stealing the stamps would probably be under some larceny or theft statute and it would be interesting to know what type of insurance policy the owner has.

A "burglary in progress" could be a home invasion if the call to the authorities is made while the perpetrator is still in the home.

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31 Dec 2016
02:52:51am

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

A general thumbnail is that a robbery involves the victim, and force or threat of force against a person. A burglary is against a safeguard; a building, shed, car or closed desk drawer in the owner's absence.

I had two components to my insurance when I ran a business, one for physical robbery and the other for being burgled.

" ...how do we label a 'bad guy' who takes someone's wallet during a home invasion? ..."
A person with a strong death wish.


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Bobstamp

31 Dec 2016
01:47:22pm

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

Michael78651 said,

"Regarding Christmas presents that come in big boxes, do not put the boxes at the curb so that people can see what used to be in them."



It's OK to put the boxes at the curb, but just make sure you don't put them at the curb in front of your house! Put them at the curb in front of your neighbour's house! Angel

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michael78651

31 Dec 2016
03:23:25pm

re: Keep your eyes out for this stuff

If you break into someone's home (or a place of business), no one is there, and you take things, that's a burglary.

If you break into someone's home (or a place of business), someone is there, and you take things by force or threat of force, or even tell them to take their wallet out of their pocket/purse and give it to you, that's a robbery. It is a robbery even if you simply take an item out of someone's hand ("strong-arm robbery").

If you break into someone's home, no one is there, and you take a wallet from a dresser, that's a burglary.

If you are invited in by a homeowner or someone with the authority to invite people in, and you take something without the owner's effective consent, that's a theft, not a burglary. If you used or threatened force against a person to take the item (or simply took it from their person) that is a robbery. This includes walking into a place of business during normal business hours.

If you are invited in by a homeowner or someone with the authority to invite people in, and you take something by force or threat of force, that's a robbery even if you were invited in. This includes walking into a place of business during normal business hours.

If you enter someone's property without their permission, or if you had permission and that permission was rescinded either while you were there or later, that is trespassing.

Often, such crimes involve multiple violations, and multiple charges would be filed against the perpetrator. Breaking in a home is burglary (charge one); Taking property from a person there is robbery (charge two); if weapons were used, if someone or a pet was hurt or worse, if people were held hostage when the police arrived, etc., there would be other charges as well. The more charges of the same type, such as felonies that can be added to the list of offenses, the harder it is to plea bargain a much lower sentence since the multiple charges indicate how far the perpetrator was willing to go in the commission of the overall criminal act.

Of course state/country laws may vary a bit (but not much with these specific crimes), and circumstances may occur during the commission of the crime that may change the nature of the offense, so check your penal code for the exact legal language for your state.

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