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Europe/Great Britain : Two Penny Blue vs Non-Two Penny Blue?

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earwaves
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02 Dec 2016
09:00:22pm
Image Not FoundWhat's the difference between a British Scott #2 and a #4? The catalog says something about plates, but that's no help to me? And I can't tell from the picture if it's on "bluish paper." [image]/upload/2000877679.jpg[/image]I just bought a stamp called a "Two Penny Blue," valued at $900, but I stupidly assumed it to be a Scott 2, the one commonly called TPB.

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02 Dec 2016
09:10:46pm
re: Two Penny Blue vs Non-Two Penny Blue?

You got a #2. The #4 has a white line above the value, as shown in the following

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earwaves
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03 Dec 2016
12:45:49pm
re: Two Penny Blue vs Non-Two Penny Blue?

Thank you, Roy! Now why doesn't the Scott description mention the white line.

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03 Dec 2016
06:13:27pm
re: Two Penny Blue vs Non-Two Penny Blue?

Because they expect the image of the stamp to tell you all.

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03 Dec 2016
07:23:34pm
re: Two Penny Blue vs Non-Two Penny Blue?

Scott 2 (blue) is valued at 700.00
Scott 2a (pale blue) is valued at 900.00

As the seller said it had a "value" of 900, I expect he was of the opinion it was 2a. Doesn't look like pale blue in the scan, but I'm not a color expert.


I am using a 2016 Scott catalogue.

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earwaves
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05 Dec 2016
08:02:29am
re: Two Penny Blue vs Non-Two Penny Blue?

Thanks, Michael. My 2011 Scott's doesn't have pictures for 3 and 4. I'll go the library and see if the 2016 edition has pix.

And thank you to Eric. Seller (British) said he uses the Stanley Gibbons catalog. Be assured that I paid nowhere near those three-digit prices!


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nigelc
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05 Dec 2016
08:46:39am
re: Two Penny Blue vs Non-Two Penny Blue?

Hi earwaves,

Sc #1 and #2 are both illustration A1.

Sc #3 is also illustration A1 but Sc #4 is illustration A2.

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05 Dec 2016
11:44:55am
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Joe, I was being sarcastic towards Scott not providing better information to help catalog users identify the two stamps.

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05 Dec 2016
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Do we have a "sarcasm" smiley?

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05 Dec 2016
07:17:21pm
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I believe we do when it comes to Scott: At Wits End

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11:39:48pm
re: Two Penny Blue vs Non-Two Penny Blue?

Found one!

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Perfect for those who do not relate to subtlety!

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15 Jan 2017
12:48:40pm
re: Two Penny Blue vs Non-Two Penny Blue?

Scott#1, 2, 3, & 4 SG# 1, 5, 8, & 14

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hayesherb
01 Feb 2017
10:34:03am
re: Two Penny Blue vs Non-Two Penny Blue?

The strip of three penny blues above appears to have a step-off or maybe they are askew. Are they all like that? If so, might explain why the borders seem to frequently be cut off at an angle rather than square.

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01 Feb 2017
10:41:07am
re: Two Penny Blue vs Non-Two Penny Blue?

The stamps were usually cut from the panes with scissors.

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earwaves
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15 Mar 2017
11:09:48am
re: Two Penny Blue vs Non-Two Penny Blue?

Thanks to everyone who posted further info!

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mozzerb
13 Aug 2017
04:52:47pm
re: Two Penny Blue vs Non-Two Penny Blue?

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"The strip of three penny blues above appears to have a step-off or maybe they are askew. Are they all like that? If so, might explain why the borders seem to frequently be cut off at an angle rather than square."


Not all, but many -- when the printers (Perkins Bacon) made the printing plates by rolling a master onto them 240 times, they did not do a very good job at lining up the rows. Thus many plates had this sort of "stepping" effect where the impressions got lower as you went along the row.

And yes, that's one big reason why stamps (especially when they were in strips) seem cut at an angle. It also caused problems when perforating machines were invented, as those assumed that the impressions on the sheet were evenly laid out -- so well centred examples of the early perforated stamps are difficult to find! Perkins Bacon had to up their game to do a better job of layout once perforation became standard (better, but not flawless).
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