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Sc1109-1138, 1166-1176, 1465-1470A, 1491-1505, 1583-1603, 1763-1776, C486-C508 and C594-C603.
These have minor varieties (perforation mostly, and grey burelage)
The Steiner pages for the same area has in addition to the regular pages and additional 19 pages of varieties with differences in paper, phosporous, size, gum, perf etc.. I had already noticed a few varieties in perforation and sizes..but 19 pages!!!!
Can anyone point me to a catalog source for them, and hopefully some valuations to use as guidelines?
Thanks
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I've found this to be very useful.
http://stampauctionnetwork.com/exportatop.cfm
No idea about catalogues, though.
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Excellent, doomboy!
Good luck, rrraphy ...
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A stamp dealer i know showed us a huge Exporta collection...but so far he has not had any nibbles on it. I have little use for a collection that someone else has already put together..but i could be his agent.
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Excellent Doomboy (Darryl), much obliged!
Now I am not sure why I am venturing on this slippery slope!
It was hard enough to complete (almost there) the basic list, without these extra varieties. But I did notice several nuances in color, size, paper etc... which is why I tried to look a bit further.
Curious where Steiner got his sources.
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"Now I am not sure why I am venturing on this slippery slope!"
'Cause it's a fun challenge, that's why! I've just armed myself with Yvert and Maury catalogues and am going to throw myself into the French 'sower' series in the near future. (Currently, I'm dealing with my own somewhat smaller version of THE HOARD) Why? I have a stupid amount of them and have always wondered about the variations.
Of course, the Exporta series seems to one of the most challenging, from what I've heard.
Good luck to you, rrraphy!
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rrraphy thats a good point about Steiners exporta pages...i believe the collection i saw that the collector made his own pages on graph paper..its been a while...but there were so many variables and varieties.
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"...I'm dealing with my own somewhat smaller version of THE HOARD..."
Mr. Darryl Doomboy:
I have referred this egregious trademark infringement to my solicitors, Dewey Cheatham & Howe.
They have advised that acceptable compensation would include a sincere mea culpa from you in this SoR thread that includes the phrase in a larger font:
"The Montreal Canadians and Queen's MBA rule"
And a purchase from an upcoming sale offered by the first, the real, the only, and the slowly dwindling...
.............................TM
THE HOARD
.............................
You have been served....
Dave (Holds A Grudge) LeMaven, ESQ
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Mr. LeMaven
"Dewey Cheatham & Howe"
A Stooges (Three, not Iggy and the) reference. How refreshing.
I'm afraid that I can not endorse, in any way, either the aforementioned ice hockey team from Canada's second largest CMA, nor any post-graduate university program of any university located east of the Ontario-Manitoba border. In my less-than-exhaustive search of the legal literature, I am unable to ascertain any legal hold on the term 'THE HOARD' in philatelic circles, but I will voluntarily cease and desist (without prejudice) using said phrase to maintain your goodwill until such time as I deem it necessary to foment some level of discord with you.
Sincerely,
D. Anthony Bortolot, BA(Adv)(Manitoba), B.Ed (Lakehead)
History and Law Teacher
P.S. GO HERD!
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However rest assured that "LE HOARD" and "LA HOARD" are free of any controversy, and may be used at will...even if Lemaven hides in Canada and may think he has equal claims.
To go back to the Exporta series, after spending several hours with the Steiner pages, a magnifier, a perforation gauge, the fluorescent light, my watermark detector and "LA HOARD" of my Exporta duplicates, I have come to the conservative decision (headache and eye ache induced no doubt) to drop the whole topic, and pretend it never existed.
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i guess i am not the only one whose eyes get "fuzzy" after a while .
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COVID INDUCED FOLLY..
I did say some time ago:
"To go back to the Exporta series, after spending several hours with the Steiner pages, a magnifier, a perforation gauge, the fluorescent light, my watermark detector and "LA HOARD" of my Exporta duplicates, I have come to the conservative decision (headache and eye ache induced no doubt) to drop the whole topic, and pretend it never existed."
I heard that wearing a mask for Covid-19 protection causes brain hallucinations (? oxygen deprivation?).
Well, or I must have too much time on my hand, because I decided to tackle it again...and I made good progress, except maybe for verifiable paper thickness, as I don't own a micrometer, so it is just by feel. And I did add to my hoard, so there was justification to move the new stamps to the (so called) orderly sorted stock pages.
For those who are not familiar with the Exporta Specialist nightmare, check out and print the 19 pages by Steiner....
Casual collectors should stay away from three hard variables....paper thickness, stamps printing variation sizes (35.5 mm to 37.5 mm) and Fluorescence. Add to this watermarks, but luckily only one type to contend with.
Here are two pages of some of my duplicates, sorted yesterday, showing how one can really miss out on the Fluorescence variations, without a fluo detector.
image with regular ambiant light
Image in UV light showing varieties of colors undetectable in ambiant light.
Let me add that the difference between a 36.5, 37 and 37.5mm is hard to distinguish, even with a precision scale.
I hope to be able to show the completed (except for my still missing stamps) collection soon.
And now, a double dose of aspirin!
rrr...
PS: my thanks again to Darryl (Doomboy) and the link he provided, restated here: sttp://stampauctionnetwork.com/exportatop.cfm
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Takes a brave man to tackle the Exportas !
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Anyone wanting an 80 page Exporta catalog send a message to my email not PM. before May 1
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That looks like it would be a fun series to collect! Doesn't look too hard. I like the fluorescences!
I've never seen these before, but then I don't have a Mexican hoard...
I'd like that catalogue, but since I don't have any, I'll pass. But I will be looking out for them now! Where's my Steiner folder?
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I plan to put together an Approval Book with my Exporta duplicates. Curious if anyone sees the benefits of listing them at their low prices, per the Scott Catalog numbering, WITHOUT proper identification of fluorescence, size variations and other specialist only specs. (at a higher price, with extra information... due to the extra labor). Most Exporta are at the bottom of the price range, making them a good approval Book target, and a lot of fun work at low cost.
Currently I have no plans for anything other than standard cat # listing in sequence, and there is more than enough material for one full book of more than 100 items, and extra duplicates as well.
They would mostly be used stamps too. Feedback here or by private message preferably, re the extra specialty details.
rrr...
PS: Anyone interested in seing a scan of the result of this labor of utter folly. 19 scanned pages...should I post them here?
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I have an accumulation of Exportas. Some are mounted but I think I need to go through them again with UV light.
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I am sharing here the first 4 completed pages from my collection, using the Steiner printed Specialty Exporta Mexico series pages.
They are pages 1, 2, 4, 5.
For full description for each stamp, refer to the Steiner printed descriptions.
I am photographing my pages using UV lighting(a work in progress, and a few puzzling stamps due to fluorescence, I am looking into it, on page 5). Please excuse the quality as I have not yet mastered holding the UV light in one hand, the camera in the other, and getting a stable and well focused and centered photo.
I will be posting more pages as I get them completed, and reviewed. It is a work in progress. Only completed pages (possibly with needed adjustments) are shown. If you notice any mistake or have a questions, let me know. UV lighting is imperative for the first 8 sets of the series of Mexico Exporta (as is a perf gage and watermark detection).
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4 more completed pages. Handheld camera, so quality of photos varies. Shown pages 6,9,10,11
Pages not displayed so far (3, 7, 8) are pages where I am still missing stamps. They will be featured upon completion.
Pages 6 and 9 are with UV lighting, but white surface fluo seems to mostly dissolve on used stamps that have been soaked, so I stopped using the UV lighting when photographing the rest of the pages. The Air Mail pages however will all be scanned with UV lighting.
Surface coated Fluorescence does seem to show up on Mint stamps, but my collection is mostly used, and it is only occasionally that remnants of the Fluo surface coating can be seen clearly.
Here are the pages.
rrr...
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The Exporta Air Mail stamps, all shown under UV light.
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My (2012) Scott catalog has a fairly simple and basic list of stamps in the Exporta series of Mexico:
Sc1109-1138, 1166-1176, 1465-1470A, 1491-1505, 1583-1603, 1763-1776, C486-C508 and C594-C603.
These have minor varieties (perforation mostly, and grey burelage)
The Steiner pages for the same area has in addition to the regular pages and additional 19 pages of varieties with differences in paper, phosporous, size, gum, perf etc.. I had already noticed a few varieties in perforation and sizes..but 19 pages!!!!
Can anyone point me to a catalog source for them, and hopefully some valuations to use as guidelines?
Thanks
rrr...
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I've found this to be very useful.
http://stampauctionnetwork.com/exportatop.cfm
No idea about catalogues, though.
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Excellent, doomboy!
Good luck, rrraphy ...
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A stamp dealer i know showed us a huge Exporta collection...but so far he has not had any nibbles on it. I have little use for a collection that someone else has already put together..but i could be his agent.
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Excellent Doomboy (Darryl), much obliged!
Now I am not sure why I am venturing on this slippery slope!
It was hard enough to complete (almost there) the basic list, without these extra varieties. But I did notice several nuances in color, size, paper etc... which is why I tried to look a bit further.
Curious where Steiner got his sources.
rrr...
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re: Mexico Exporta Series..now with scanned pages
"Now I am not sure why I am venturing on this slippery slope!"
'Cause it's a fun challenge, that's why! I've just armed myself with Yvert and Maury catalogues and am going to throw myself into the French 'sower' series in the near future. (Currently, I'm dealing with my own somewhat smaller version of THE HOARD) Why? I have a stupid amount of them and have always wondered about the variations.
Of course, the Exporta series seems to one of the most challenging, from what I've heard.
Good luck to you, rrraphy!
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rrraphy thats a good point about Steiners exporta pages...i believe the collection i saw that the collector made his own pages on graph paper..its been a while...but there were so many variables and varieties.
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"...I'm dealing with my own somewhat smaller version of THE HOARD..."
Mr. Darryl Doomboy:
I have referred this egregious trademark infringement to my solicitors, Dewey Cheatham & Howe.
They have advised that acceptable compensation would include a sincere mea culpa from you in this SoR thread that includes the phrase in a larger font:
"The Montreal Canadians and Queen's MBA rule"
And a purchase from an upcoming sale offered by the first, the real, the only, and the slowly dwindling...
.............................TM
THE HOARD
.............................
You have been served....
Dave (Holds A Grudge) LeMaven, ESQ
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Mr. LeMaven
"Dewey Cheatham & Howe"
A Stooges (Three, not Iggy and the) reference. How refreshing.
I'm afraid that I can not endorse, in any way, either the aforementioned ice hockey team from Canada's second largest CMA, nor any post-graduate university program of any university located east of the Ontario-Manitoba border. In my less-than-exhaustive search of the legal literature, I am unable to ascertain any legal hold on the term 'THE HOARD' in philatelic circles, but I will voluntarily cease and desist (without prejudice) using said phrase to maintain your goodwill until such time as I deem it necessary to foment some level of discord with you.
Sincerely,
D. Anthony Bortolot, BA(Adv)(Manitoba), B.Ed (Lakehead)
History and Law Teacher
P.S. GO HERD!
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However rest assured that "LE HOARD" and "LA HOARD" are free of any controversy, and may be used at will...even if Lemaven hides in Canada and may think he has equal claims.
To go back to the Exporta series, after spending several hours with the Steiner pages, a magnifier, a perforation gauge, the fluorescent light, my watermark detector and "LA HOARD" of my Exporta duplicates, I have come to the conservative decision (headache and eye ache induced no doubt) to drop the whole topic, and pretend it never existed.
rrr...
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i guess i am not the only one whose eyes get "fuzzy" after a while .
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COVID INDUCED FOLLY..
I did say some time ago:
"To go back to the Exporta series, after spending several hours with the Steiner pages, a magnifier, a perforation gauge, the fluorescent light, my watermark detector and "LA HOARD" of my Exporta duplicates, I have come to the conservative decision (headache and eye ache induced no doubt) to drop the whole topic, and pretend it never existed."
I heard that wearing a mask for Covid-19 protection causes brain hallucinations (? oxygen deprivation?).
Well, or I must have too much time on my hand, because I decided to tackle it again...and I made good progress, except maybe for verifiable paper thickness, as I don't own a micrometer, so it is just by feel. And I did add to my hoard, so there was justification to move the new stamps to the (so called) orderly sorted stock pages.
For those who are not familiar with the Exporta Specialist nightmare, check out and print the 19 pages by Steiner....
Casual collectors should stay away from three hard variables....paper thickness, stamps printing variation sizes (35.5 mm to 37.5 mm) and Fluorescence. Add to this watermarks, but luckily only one type to contend with.
Here are two pages of some of my duplicates, sorted yesterday, showing how one can really miss out on the Fluorescence variations, without a fluo detector.
image with regular ambiant light
Image in UV light showing varieties of colors undetectable in ambiant light.
Let me add that the difference between a 36.5, 37 and 37.5mm is hard to distinguish, even with a precision scale.
I hope to be able to show the completed (except for my still missing stamps) collection soon.
And now, a double dose of aspirin!
rrr...
PS: my thanks again to Darryl (Doomboy) and the link he provided, restated here: sttp://stampauctionnetwork.com/exportatop.cfm
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Takes a brave man to tackle the Exportas !
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Anyone wanting an 80 page Exporta catalog send a message to my email not PM. before May 1
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That looks like it would be a fun series to collect! Doesn't look too hard. I like the fluorescences!
I've never seen these before, but then I don't have a Mexican hoard...
I'd like that catalogue, but since I don't have any, I'll pass. But I will be looking out for them now! Where's my Steiner folder?
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re: Mexico Exporta Series..now with scanned pages
I plan to put together an Approval Book with my Exporta duplicates. Curious if anyone sees the benefits of listing them at their low prices, per the Scott Catalog numbering, WITHOUT proper identification of fluorescence, size variations and other specialist only specs. (at a higher price, with extra information... due to the extra labor). Most Exporta are at the bottom of the price range, making them a good approval Book target, and a lot of fun work at low cost.
Currently I have no plans for anything other than standard cat # listing in sequence, and there is more than enough material for one full book of more than 100 items, and extra duplicates as well.
They would mostly be used stamps too. Feedback here or by private message preferably, re the extra specialty details.
rrr...
PS: Anyone interested in seing a scan of the result of this labor of utter folly. 19 scanned pages...should I post them here?
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re: Mexico Exporta Series..now with scanned pages
I have an accumulation of Exportas. Some are mounted but I think I need to go through them again with UV light.
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re: Mexico Exporta Series..now with scanned pages
I am sharing here the first 4 completed pages from my collection, using the Steiner printed Specialty Exporta Mexico series pages.
They are pages 1, 2, 4, 5.
For full description for each stamp, refer to the Steiner printed descriptions.
I am photographing my pages using UV lighting(a work in progress, and a few puzzling stamps due to fluorescence, I am looking into it, on page 5). Please excuse the quality as I have not yet mastered holding the UV light in one hand, the camera in the other, and getting a stable and well focused and centered photo.
I will be posting more pages as I get them completed, and reviewed. It is a work in progress. Only completed pages (possibly with needed adjustments) are shown. If you notice any mistake or have a questions, let me know. UV lighting is imperative for the first 8 sets of the series of Mexico Exporta (as is a perf gage and watermark detection).
rrr...
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4 more completed pages. Handheld camera, so quality of photos varies. Shown pages 6,9,10,11
Pages not displayed so far (3, 7, 8) are pages where I am still missing stamps. They will be featured upon completion.
Pages 6 and 9 are with UV lighting, but white surface fluo seems to mostly dissolve on used stamps that have been soaked, so I stopped using the UV lighting when photographing the rest of the pages. The Air Mail pages however will all be scanned with UV lighting.
Surface coated Fluorescence does seem to show up on Mint stamps, but my collection is mostly used, and it is only occasionally that remnants of the Fluo surface coating can be seen clearly.
Here are the pages.
rrr...
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The Exporta Air Mail stamps, all shown under UV light.
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