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These are Spanish charity seals/labels - not valid for postage ('sin valor postal'). Thus you will not find them in stamp catalogs such as Scott.
The titles in the cards give a good & accurate description of their origins/purpose. Both sets are somewhat common, and likely even their 'retail' value has not changed since these cards were build.
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Doesn't the "Habilitado" validate it for postage?
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Thanks I appreciate the help. When you say common, could you put an estimate on that? What I mean is are there millions of these in existence today or thousands? Also out of curiosity how much do you think these are worth?
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09:42:08am
" ... doesn't Habilitado" validate it for postage? ..."
Perhaps, probably and usually.
However, it means authorized for further usage. It could be converting a charity stamp to postage use, or a revenue stamp to telegraph use.
Or vice versa.
I think it could also remonetize a stamp that had been declared no longer valid.
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The overprint "Habilitado Para 5c" means "Made good again for 5c" or "Revalued at 5c", thus converting a non-postal stamp into one with postal validity
Found this on another site.
I don't believe the IBERIA stamps were ever valid.
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"I don't believe the IBERIA stamps were ever valid."
Does that include ALL Iberia issues?
WB
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"Does that include ALL Iberia issues?"
I have no idea....these are actually the only 'Iberia' issues I've ever ran across.
That's not to say there aren't others out there.
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They are very common with very little value and were never used for postage. Note the selling price on the cards they are in. Those are probably fairly accurate value considering the cards are fairly old but overpriced to begin with. Altough the values are correct some collectors will pay more out of curiousity.
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I think my train was off on a different track. I was thinking of the Ibero-Americana issues.
WB
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With these stamps the 'Habilitado para' was just to point out these were re-valued for another season of sales. The original issue (without overprint) was released in 1946, these (overprinted) varieties came out 1948. These had no postal validity of any kind - never.
"When you say common, could you put an estimate on that? What I mean is are there millions of these in existence today or thousands?
"
The resource I've got does not mention print runs, but instead uses a fife step classification system (* = common as mud, ** = common, *** = less common, **** = somewhat rare, ***** = rare).
The 'orphan' stamps you've got have got ** rating.
The 'Iberia' stamps you've got are all *.
Based on number of copies in worldwide collections, I'd say the quantities must have been pretty big. Not sure if true, but an old timer once told me that the buying of these seals was almost equal to postal tax stamps. The funds went to orphans of postal workers (Spanish Civil War hit hard on Spanish community), and if you did not buy/use the seals, some unexpected 'accidents' might happen with your mail.
"Also out of curiosity how much do you think these are worth?"
Like I wrote first place, the original 'retail' has not changed. Say 10 cents per set.
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re: Can't find these in Scott
These are Spanish charity seals/labels - not valid for postage ('sin valor postal'). Thus you will not find them in stamp catalogs such as Scott.
The titles in the cards give a good & accurate description of their origins/purpose. Both sets are somewhat common, and likely even their 'retail' value has not changed since these cards were build.
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re: Can't find these in Scott
Doesn't the "Habilitado" validate it for postage?
Ted
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re: Can't find these in Scott
Thanks I appreciate the help. When you say common, could you put an estimate on that? What I mean is are there millions of these in existence today or thousands? Also out of curiosity how much do you think these are worth?
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09:42:08am
re: Can't find these in Scott
" ... doesn't Habilitado" validate it for postage? ..."
Perhaps, probably and usually.
However, it means authorized for further usage. It could be converting a charity stamp to postage use, or a revenue stamp to telegraph use.
Or vice versa.
I think it could also remonetize a stamp that had been declared no longer valid.
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re: Can't find these in Scott
The overprint "Habilitado Para 5c" means "Made good again for 5c" or "Revalued at 5c", thus converting a non-postal stamp into one with postal validity
Found this on another site.
I don't believe the IBERIA stamps were ever valid.
Randy
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re: Can't find these in Scott
"I don't believe the IBERIA stamps were ever valid."
Does that include ALL Iberia issues?
WB
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"Does that include ALL Iberia issues?"
I have no idea....these are actually the only 'Iberia' issues I've ever ran across.
That's not to say there aren't others out there.
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re: Can't find these in Scott
They are very common with very little value and were never used for postage. Note the selling price on the cards they are in. Those are probably fairly accurate value considering the cards are fairly old but overpriced to begin with. Altough the values are correct some collectors will pay more out of curiousity.
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re: Can't find these in Scott
I think my train was off on a different track. I was thinking of the Ibero-Americana issues.
WB
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re: Can't find these in Scott
With these stamps the 'Habilitado para' was just to point out these were re-valued for another season of sales. The original issue (without overprint) was released in 1946, these (overprinted) varieties came out 1948. These had no postal validity of any kind - never.
"When you say common, could you put an estimate on that? What I mean is are there millions of these in existence today or thousands?
"
The resource I've got does not mention print runs, but instead uses a fife step classification system (* = common as mud, ** = common, *** = less common, **** = somewhat rare, ***** = rare).
The 'orphan' stamps you've got have got ** rating.
The 'Iberia' stamps you've got are all *.
Based on number of copies in worldwide collections, I'd say the quantities must have been pretty big. Not sure if true, but an old timer once told me that the buying of these seals was almost equal to postal tax stamps. The funds went to orphans of postal workers (Spanish Civil War hit hard on Spanish community), and if you did not buy/use the seals, some unexpected 'accidents' might happen with your mail.
"Also out of curiosity how much do you think these are worth?"
Like I wrote first place, the original 'retail' has not changed. Say 10 cents per set.
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