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Europe/Germany : Control (?) Number on Back

 

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lemaven
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15 Aug 2016
11:11:51pm
Thought I saw a post on this at some point but searched to no avail...

What is the significance of a 4-digit number, looks as if typewritten, on the gum side?

Is it worthwhile for me to look closer and set them aside for part of a collection or is it a useless artifact?

Thanks. Dave.
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area66
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16 Aug 2016
06:30:32am
re: Control (?) Number on Back

Hi, you have to be more specific, is this on coil or regular stamps ? In both case it's normal. Can you provide scan ?

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philatelia
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16 Aug 2016
10:46:16am
re: Control (?) Number on Back

Large USA coil rolls - such as rolls of 10,000 have numbers showing where you are in the roll.

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khj
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16 Aug 2016
11:23:50am
re: Control (?) Number on Back

Assuming you are asking specifically about German stamps, this is a counting number that appears on some German coils at regular intervals. Keep in mind that these coils were made from perforated sheets, so don't expect them to have straight edges on two parallel sides. As such, sometimes the "control" number is the only way to distinguish between sheet/coil varieties. Other than that, I know of no meaningful financial premium associated with the control numbers.

On other European stamps (e.g., Spanish colonies), the control number on sheet stamps is typically used for inventory and security purposes. Again, in almost all cases, no additional premium associated.

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16 Aug 2016
12:40:12pm
re: Control (?) Number on Back

Thanks. I may post a scan when I get home tonight but I suspect this is the German number indicating a coil stamp (although the few I have are unfortunately all singles).

I didn't anticipate a premium value but think I will rejig one of my Steiner Pages to start setting aside these as I come across them.

Thanks again and as always, Dave.

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philatelia
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16 Aug 2016
11:38:36pm
re: Control (?) Number on Back

Apologies! I just noticed this was posted under the Germany topic - well DUH! LOL!

I am curious now - which German issues had numbers on the gum side?

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17 Aug 2016
03:41:52am
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Love your new avatar, Theresa.

Ted

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17 Aug 2016
10:01:56am
re: Control (?) Number on Back

Thanks!

I wish my stamp den was really that roomy.

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17 Aug 2016
02:16:16pm
re: Control (?) Number on Back

Very "Raiders of the Lost Stamp". Big Grin

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michael78651

17 Aug 2016
04:14:50pm
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"which German issues had numbers on the gum side"



These will be the smaller-sized definitive issues where every fifth stamp has the control number. It started in 1954, and ended in 1977/79 castle definitives. Scott notes this at the end of the definitive sets where coils were issued. This also applies to the Accident Prevention issue of 1971.

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Opa
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15 Feb 2017
04:48:02pm
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" It started in 1954, and ended in 1977/79 castle definitives. Scott notes this at the end of the definitive sets where coils were issued."



I don´t have a Scott, But the counter numbers on the back of coil stamps are still in use even on ATM´s. The stamp with the flower issued 2006,self adhesive stamp with number on the wax paper issued 2002. ATM issued 1999. I might have some newer ones But I would have to turn a lot of stamps.

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lemaven

15 Aug 2016
11:11:51pm

Thought I saw a post on this at some point but searched to no avail...

What is the significance of a 4-digit number, looks as if typewritten, on the gum side?

Is it worthwhile for me to look closer and set them aside for part of a collection or is it a useless artifact?

Thanks. Dave.

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area66

16 Aug 2016
06:30:32am

re: Control (?) Number on Back

Hi, you have to be more specific, is this on coil or regular stamps ? In both case it's normal. Can you provide scan ?

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philatelia

16 Aug 2016
10:46:16am

re: Control (?) Number on Back

Large USA coil rolls - such as rolls of 10,000 have numbers showing where you are in the roll.

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"August 2023 - selling penny start bargain lots on EBay - https://www.ebay.com/str/philatelia"

www.ebay.com/str/phi ...
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khj

16 Aug 2016
11:23:50am

re: Control (?) Number on Back

Assuming you are asking specifically about German stamps, this is a counting number that appears on some German coils at regular intervals. Keep in mind that these coils were made from perforated sheets, so don't expect them to have straight edges on two parallel sides. As such, sometimes the "control" number is the only way to distinguish between sheet/coil varieties. Other than that, I know of no meaningful financial premium associated with the control numbers.

On other European stamps (e.g., Spanish colonies), the control number on sheet stamps is typically used for inventory and security purposes. Again, in almost all cases, no additional premium associated.

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lemaven

16 Aug 2016
12:40:12pm

re: Control (?) Number on Back

Thanks. I may post a scan when I get home tonight but I suspect this is the German number indicating a coil stamp (although the few I have are unfortunately all singles).

I didn't anticipate a premium value but think I will rejig one of my Steiner Pages to start setting aside these as I come across them.

Thanks again and as always, Dave.

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philatelia

16 Aug 2016
11:38:36pm

re: Control (?) Number on Back

Apologies! I just noticed this was posted under the Germany topic - well DUH! LOL!

I am curious now - which German issues had numbers on the gum side?

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"August 2023 - selling penny start bargain lots on EBay - https://www.ebay.com/str/philatelia"

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youpiao

17 Aug 2016
03:41:52am

re: Control (?) Number on Back

Love your new avatar, Theresa.

Ted

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philatelia

17 Aug 2016
10:01:56am

re: Control (?) Number on Back

Thanks!

I wish my stamp den was really that roomy.

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"August 2023 - selling penny start bargain lots on EBay - https://www.ebay.com/str/philatelia"

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lemaven

17 Aug 2016
02:16:16pm

re: Control (?) Number on Back

Very "Raiders of the Lost Stamp". Big Grin

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michael78651

17 Aug 2016
04:14:50pm

re: Control (?) Number on Back

"which German issues had numbers on the gum side"



These will be the smaller-sized definitive issues where every fifth stamp has the control number. It started in 1954, and ended in 1977/79 castle definitives. Scott notes this at the end of the definitive sets where coils were issued. This also applies to the Accident Prevention issue of 1971.

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Opa

15 Feb 2017
04:48:02pm

re: Control (?) Number on Back

" It started in 1954, and ended in 1977/79 castle definitives. Scott notes this at the end of the definitive sets where coils were issued."



I don´t have a Scott, But the counter numbers on the back of coil stamps are still in use even on ATM´s. The stamp with the flower issued 2006,self adhesive stamp with number on the wax paper issued 2002. ATM issued 1999. I might have some newer ones But I would have to turn a lot of stamps.

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