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Oceania/Australia : 1963-1966 Pre-Decimal Navigators in Australian Waters

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Rob1956
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12 Aug 2016
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Although the last of the pre-decimals were printed on November 25, 1964; 105 days prior to their discontinuation, these stamps were still in use up to and including February 13, 1966.

The £2 with the Specimen in near central position is rare, and in the 2015 edition of ACSC it had been wrongly priced.

The missing stamp is the 13.5mm 10/- white paper Specimen, a very elusive stamp to locate.

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19 Aug 2016
10:12:00am
re: 1963-1966 Pre-Decimal Navigators in Australian Waters

Very nice indeed Robert. You depict two of ACSC 407A. I suspect you meant to label the second one 407B (Purple on White Paper).

Oddly, SG lists a "Roller Flaw" (SG 360A) for the 2 Pound stamp. Is there no mention of that in ACSC?


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Eric

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Rob1956
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19 Aug 2016
11:12:32am
re: 1963-1966 Pre-Decimal Navigators in Australian Waters

Thanks for spotting that error Eric, it was definitely meant to be 407B. The colour of the 10/- stamps are definitely maroon, the £1 stamps are purple.

The roller flaw mentioned in SG 360A is referred to as ACSC 409d (Roller shift to the upper right frame).

Rob

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19 Aug 2016
12:42:24pm
re: 1963-1966 Pre-Decimal Navigators in Australian Waters

No problem Robert. Also, I compared the ACSC with the Stanley Gibbons for these stamps and found it interesting how the two catalogues differ in describing the colors. Boils down to the same color in most cases.

4s.......ACSC 404A = Blue. SG 355 = Ultramarine.

7s6d.....ACSC 406 = Olive-Green. SG 357= Olive.

10s......ACSC 407A = Maroon. SG 358 = Brown-Purple.
10s......ACSC 407B = Maroon. SG 358 = Deep Brown-Purple.

1 pnd....ACSC 408A = Purple. SG 359 = Deep Reddish Violet.
1 pnd....ACSC 408B = Purple. SG 359A = Deep Bluish Violet.

2 pnd....ACSC 409 = Blackish Brown. SG 360 = Sepia.

The Stanley Gibbons descriptions are more poetical IMHO. You can't top "Deep Bluish Violet." If you can use three words to describe purple, go for it.

Also, where ACSC calls out "Cream" paper, the SG uses "Toned" paper. Are Cream paper and Toned paper really the same thing?

Eric

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Rob1956
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07:22:02pm
re: 1963-1966 Pre-Decimal Navigators in Australian Waters

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"The Stanley Gibbons descriptions are more poetical IMHO. You can't top "Deep Bluish Violet." If you can use three words to describe purple, go for it.

Also, where ACSC calls out "Cream" paper, the SG uses "Toned" paper. Are Cream paper and Toned paper really the same thing? "


Deep Bluish Violet, I don't think I can top that description. Cream paper can also be described as toned paper, tinted paper has also been described as toned paper. It's a word that can be used generically for any paper that is not "white" or coloured.

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"10s......ACSC 407A = Maroon. SG 358 = Brown-Purple.
10s......ACSC 407B = Maroon. SG 358 = Deep Brown-Purple."


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24 Jan 2019
08:43:02pm
re: 1963-1966 Pre-Decimal Navigators in Australian Waters

Just to add a bit of trivia, here is a link to BBC news article today regarding grave of Matthew Flinders.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-46974247
Some people just will not stay buried.

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Hi sheepshanks

I heard it on the news yesterday, an amazing find, now all they need to do is find his cat "trim", considering it was eaten by the natives on the island he was held captive on for 6 years.

Rob

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25 Jan 2019
12:02:35am
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Hi Sheepshanks and all

Another interesting piece of trivia re Matthew Flinders.

His Grandson, William Matthew Flinders Petrie was the Great renowned Egyptologist.

Flinders Petrie also came to Australia for a commemoration of his Grandfather.

He was also friends with my Grandmother, and gave my family some very interesting ancient Egyptian Artefacts.

The artefacts partly inspired me to become an Egyptologist.

Horamakhet

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25 Jan 2019
03:39:53am
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Hi Horamakhet

Very interesting, and that is going to be impossible to beat. Do you still have those artefacts?

The only relic I had connected to Egypt was a beaded necklace belonging to a member of Ramses IIIs family, it was very expensive and quite a plain Jane. I gave it to a dear friend as a birthday present complete with certificate of authenticity from the Cairo Antiquities Department (Cannot remember the actual department or the persons signature, it was 20 years ago).

Rob

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25 Jan 2019
08:24:16am
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Hi Rob

Yes I still have the antiquities.

They are an ivory commemorative scarab of Ramesses II, commemorating the installation of two obelisks at Karnak.

A gold weight made of talc from the 1st dynasty, with boats scratched into the talc. (This is an extremely rare item)

A ushabti of the 18th Dynasty of the Mistress of the house, the lady Merira.

A 26th dynasty Ushabti.

Ushabtis are the worker statues that were placed in tombs, so the owner did not have do any work in the afterlife.
The Ancient Egyptians believed that death was just a continuation of life, but on a different plane, so that is why they were buried with all their worldly possessions.

Three scarabs from the Hysksos era.

A Cornelian Necklace that belonged to one of the wives of Thutmose III, The warrior Pharaoh.

A string of faiance Beads from the 1st Dynasty.

A large commemorative Scarab of Thutmose II, that was set in a gold frame in the early 20th century

One of the pots from the pre-dynastic period that Flinders Petrie used to form his sequence dating of Egyptian Dynasties.

A Bronze coin of Ptolemy V

And a few miscellaneous beads and votive or offerings to the god to cure diseases

And a piece of wood, that he retrieved from a 1st dynasty tomb, after a French archaeologist tried to destroy the remnants of the tombs, after he sacked them, so no other archaeologist could do important research.

I will never part with them, and they will be passed down to my children.

They are all recorded as well in the Flinders Petrie Museum in London.

Regards

Horamakhet.

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25 Jan 2019
10:10:38am
re: 1963-1966 Pre-Decimal Navigators in Australian Waters

Hi Horamakhet

I wouldn't sell them either, all you need now is a pyramid. What an incredible collection and heirloom, all I had was a necklace.

I can't find words to describe your Egyptian antiquities. I now fully understand the power such artefacts can influence your destiny as an Egyptologist.

Rob

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25 Jan 2019
07:00:46pm
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Hi Rob

Also, a friend of mine whose grandfather served in Egypt during WWI, while stationed in Egypt.
gave me some pieces of limestone and calcite, that he removed during the Great War, from the second Giza pyramid, the one belonging to Khafre, most persons know him by what the Greeks called him, Chephren.

Unfortunately, a lot of vandalism occurred by many nations until the proper birth of Egyptology in the early twentieth century.

Unfortunately, a lot of looting still happens because wealthy collectors pay the local Egyptians a lot of money to obtain antiquities for them.

Their is quite a big illegal market for these items.

The Egyptian Government is trying to stamp out such trade, but unfortunately, like all nations, there are always corrupt officials interested in the quick money.

Horamakhet


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25 Jan 2019
08:26:34pm
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Hi Horamakhet

In 1999 a friend introduced me to her friend who was an antique dealer, his antiquity store was in Queen street, Edgecliff in the Eastern suburb of Sydney, his brother was arrested in Cairo for attempting to smuggle Egyptian artefacts out of the country, I remember the other brother who owned the store had a beautifully decorated alabaster vase taken from Egypt, it was in immaculate condition with a price tag that was jaw dropping.

He had many artefacts from ancient Egypt, not long after his bother's arrest he closed up shop and left the area, I believe he went further down south and reopened under a different business name, whether he is still in business I do not know.

His brother was eventually deported.

Rob

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26 Jan 2019
12:35:42am
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Hi Rob

If it is who I think it is, he opened a store in a Melbourne suburb.

He was prosecuted in absentia in Egypt for dealing in stolen antiquities.

I believe If he ever goes to Egypt, he has a "holiday" of twenty years awaiting him.

The business in Melbourne also closed down.

Horamakhet

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26 Jan 2019
01:35:45am
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Hi Horamakhet

I believe he is the same person as your information fits into what I know, he did go to Melbourne and set up shop and he was served with court papers to return all artefacts stolen to the Cairo Antiquities Department, which would relate to a prosecution, he had just over $1 million dollars in artefacts.

I believe the same will happen to his brother if he ever returns to Egypt, both banned from ever returning would have effectively dried up their resources and of course profit.

The only tragic event that came out of his stay in Sydney was of a motorbike accident in which he was injured and his wife who was a pillion passenger (a year after giving birth to a baby boy), was killed by decapitation.

I wonder what he did with the artefacts?

Rob

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26 Jan 2019
01:59:17am
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Hi Rob

If not hidden away somewhere, probably sold on the black market, via Switzerland, which is the hotbed of the illegal trade in Antiquities.

Museums are not above buying them, and when found out, they cry wolf, and return the artefacts.

Horamakhet

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26 Jan 2019
03:09:26am
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Hi Horamakhet

It seems a web of corruption will always protect the black market. What this person has probably will never see the light of day, if only I had taken an image of that alabaster vase, when natural light shone on it, it brought out the beauty of colours and design.

Rob

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