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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Meter Cancels

 

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2010ccg

31 Jul 2016
10:47:16am
I believe that there is a Meter Stamp Society. Just wondering if we have any members who collect meter stamps or meter stamps on envelope
Didn`t realize the assortment of meter stamps available. Can anyone add information on the history of Henry Meisel ?
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31 Jul 2016
12:42:51pm
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When I was a kid, I briefly collected metre stamps, mostly from bins in the post office and from mail that my parents got at their store. If postage stamps had been more readily available, I would probably have ignored metre postage. But a few years ago I learned that postage metres weren't necessarily boring. I found this cover at All Nations Stamp & Coin in Vancouver:

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I'd never seen metres mail with multiple impressions. I suspect this was a case of a metre machine badly malfunctioning.

The postage metres aren't the main reason I bought this cover, which as you can see was posted more than a year after VE Day, at a period of severe commodity shortages, including paper. It fit very comfortably into my British war economy collection. This particular cover was made from an unused sheet of paper that was originally made to package salt; here's an exploded view of the inside of the cover:

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Here three Canadian wartime metre stamps, two including slogans:

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31 Jul 2016
12:52:18pm

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Bob, the multiple meter cancels were in all probability to make the correct postal rate charge for an international letter, the total comes to 18d which I'm sure one of our more knowledgeable members could confirm as the correct postage.

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31 Jul 2016
01:15:30pm
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@Sheepshanks,

Of course! Shoulda thought of that. The standard wartime and postwar international airmail rate was 1s6p, or 18p. Blushing

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31 Jul 2016
01:16:10pm
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Hi All

I have heard that meter cancellations are gaining in popularity. They come in a variety of designs and rates. I have come across a number of them in dealer boxes at good prices. My suggestion would be, if you really like them enough to pursue a research, then get them now before they go up in price. IMHO of course.

Chimo

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31 Jul 2016
03:57:55pm
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Here is a link to a recent discussion on meters.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=15004#112050

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31 Jul 2016
04:30:19pm
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I have a few, these are some of the more interesting ones. First is Paris, 2nd Dayton, OH,(I'd like a little help with it) 3rd is Great Britain and the 4th, Barranquilla, Columbia S.A.

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As to the Dayton, OH meter, I've never been sure what was up with the added $.13 franking. The metered postage was added on April 5th and the cancel added on April 6th. The outer inscription on the cancel reads Dayton Ohio (then something) City Sta.-USPO. I'm not sure if the $.13 Liberty Bell was added on, or if it was part of the original franking.(both are tied to the paper) Would I be correct in thinking the package was forwarded at some point and required the extra postage? Also, what is the full inscription on the cancel and is this where it would have been forwarded to? It doesn't seem like that would require an extra $.13 in postage.

Here's a close up if it helps.

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31 Jul 2016
07:11:46pm
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Awesome examples....perfect

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01 Aug 2016
08:22:53am
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Bob I,

early meters were preset, so there'd be a 1d, 2d, 2.5d (or 1c, 2c, 3c) etc; if the fee was more, or different, multiples were used.

as to gaining in popularity, i haven't heard that. they certainly aren't here in SOR's membership, as I had had two different people taking meters from me for free (just paying postage) and both have stopped. I think that meters are increasingly paying the freight on all types of covers, but that's far different than popular

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01 Aug 2016
12:30:22pm
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Maybe your sources are different than mine???

They are not on the top of the popularity scale, but, heard from different sources (collectors & dealers etc.) that more collect them than in the past, albeit not in large numbers.

Chimo


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01 Aug 2016
10:48:42pm
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http://www.meterstampsociety.com/


I am not a member and I don't actively pursue meters, but I do save them.

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02 Aug 2016
10:15:20am
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One of the fun aspects of metered postage are the variety of ways you can collect them.

1 - Collect all meter types from one country
2 - Collect all meter numbers from one state
3 - Collect all meter numbers for a particular type of meter
4 - Collect meters with slogans by topic. One lady collects every meter slogan in the world that contains a picture of a turtle.
5 - Collect meters by rate (first class, third class, insured, registered, express mail, etc)
6 - Collect meters as part of a postal history collection.
7 - Collect a metered postage cover from every country that issued them.

Or you can use your own imagination to come up with a different collecting motive altogether.

I myself am interested in 1, 2 and 7.

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02 Aug 2016
10:21:18am
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and, of course, some rates are extant ONLY with meters, including the meter-specific half-penny discount (46.5c vs 47c first class) rate, and many other discounted rates (the presort stamps, for instance, represent PART of the rate)


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TribalErnie

02 Aug 2016
10:51:44am
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This ties in with Antonio's #4 but I think collecting only ones with a neat pictorial would be a beautiful collection.


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2010ccg

02 Aug 2016
11:38:14am
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4 and 6 are the ones that interest me the most......but you never know what might pop up in a selection saved over the years

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malcolm197

03 Aug 2016
04:34:14pm
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Even meters are getting scarce now. Most bulk mailings from large companies and other large users now use PPI s ( post paid impressions ) which are pre-printed on the envelopes rather like the old pre-paid postal stationery used to be.

Of course in the deregulated regime here, much of the "upstream" mail is collected by private companies at discount postage then fed into the mailstream for "downstream" delivery by Royal Mail ( probably at an uneconomic rate). Of course it is the door-to-door delivery which is tha major portion of the cost.

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04 Aug 2016
02:01:56pm
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Here are a few from my collection. Some are quite fancy.

Chimo

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04 Aug 2016
02:33:39pm
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Those are some nice ones Bujutsu.

I like to have at least the strips or a slogan so you can know which company issued the meter like you have there.

Part of the interest for meters from Minnesota is to track the meter number to the company or organization that owned the meter.

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2010ccg

04 Aug 2016
04:08:22pm
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Those are awesome...Thanks for sharing

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04 Aug 2016
11:45:57pm
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Bujutsu:

Yamaha! Very nice!

The then-wife owned a C7.

She had very sensitive concert-quality fingers, and did not want an instrument that did not suit her perfectly.

So, she flew to the factory in Japan, went into the warehouse, and picked it out.

They let her play one after the other.

She could not tell them apart.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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Tom in Exton, PA

05 Aug 2016
09:01:49am
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I've never seriously collected meters, but have always held onto the interesting ones, especially topicals. Here's a page from my USA album. Always room for something interesting related to the stamp topic.

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05 Aug 2016
12:33:52pm
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Hi all. Glad you liked the images. Here are a few more to add to the list. I have others, but the ones I have been showing in here are my favourites. I particularly like the Canadian 'postage due' and, the Belgian proof card plus the one with the Belgian railway logo. That's about it for me.

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09 Aug 2016
11:40:02pm
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WB,

I don't think the 13 cent stamp was added to the meter, rather the meter was added to the stamp. Notice that the meter isn't applied directly to the envelope but to a meter strip, like a modern PVI. The post office added the $2.35, most likely to cover the contemporary charge of $2.10 for Registered Mail plus $0.25 for return receipt.

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10 Aug 2016
07:57:49am
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Thanks Lars, I hadn't considered registered mail.

Much appreciated,

WB

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12 Aug 2016
03:45:43pm
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There is a Wikibook on Wikipedia titled International Postage Meter Stamp catalog. It has a listing of many countries meter cancels. Great reference. If you go to Wikibooks and search the International Postage Meter Stamp Catalog, you will find it.

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12 Aug 2016
04:32:00pm
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David said,

"Early meters were preset, so there'd be a 1d, 2d, 2.5d (or 1c, 2c, 3c) etc; if the fee was more, or different, multiples were used. "



I didn't know that. Thanks, David. I seem to remember that my dad used postage metres in his business, or maybe sold them (he owned an office supply store). I think they had to be taken to the post office to be "charged". I really don't know much about them at all.

Bob

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Tom in Exton, PA

12 Aug 2016
05:39:30pm
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"I didn't know that. Thanks, David. I seem to remember that my dad used postage metres in his business, or maybe sold them (he owned an office supply store). I think they had to be taken to the post office to be "charged". I really don't know much about them at all.
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I can't say universally, since meters started out as simple apparatuses, but I can share my experience from the late 1970s. I worked in the home office of a large home builder who later grew to be Wall Street listed. Since I was a stamp collector and interested in the workings of the post office, I became the postal guru, obtaining their first meter and running all their mass mailings.

We had a Pitney Bowes machine. It was like a light duty postal cancellation machine. It had two modes, one to print out a tape to put on a package, and a second mode that printed directly on an envelope. It had a holder that you could put a stack of mail in, and it would process it all through the meter.

The meter head detached from the unit. It had a carrying case and had to be brought to the post office to be loaded with postage. It had a meter, hence called a "meter cancel" where it deducted the cost of each impression and I could read the balance of postage left in the machine. I had to monitor it, and get a company check for the next amount of postage to be loaded. I don't remember how much we added at a time, nor how much the meter would hold.

At the post office, a clerk would break the seal and load in the new postage. He'd reseal it and I'd take it back to the office. The meter wasn't set for any specific amount of postage per envelope. It had levers on the top and I could set it to run post cards, single rate envelopes or higher. There were times I'd realize I had a two ounce letter after I had printed the single rate, so I could run it through upside down to add the extra postage on the bottom, or print a label with a meter. That was the cleanest way, so I would do that most of the time, unless the label roll was low.

I'd sort the outgoing mail into stacks based on how much postage each piece needed. I'd set the meter for one amount, run that stack through, then reset the meter for the rate of the next stack.

We didn't have an advertising slug in our machine. I wanted to get one but it was costly so I couldn't convince management that it was worthwhile.
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12 Aug 2016
07:29:22pm
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Thank you Ben Franklin for your story...My husband did much the same when he worked his job in Halifax NS I am adding this story(with your permission) and his to my meter collection for future reference. Hopefully some day my grandson will read this and understand the history and use of meters in by gone years....

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Tom in Exton, PA

12 Aug 2016
08:16:49pm
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No worries Cheryl, I'd be pleased to be part of your meter collection. The story took place in Red Bank, new Jersey

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12 Aug 2016
10:47:09pm
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Thanks for confirming my memory, Tom. At least the part about going to the post office to recharge the meter. I do wonder why my dad used a postage meter — his was a pretty small business and can't have had a large mailing list or many accounts receivable.

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13 Aug 2016
01:00:03am
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Circa BenFranklin1902's story, I had a client who sold Pitney Bowes machines, ranging from simple onesy-twosy postage meters to machines that would seal & apply postage to a stack of outgoing mail.

Yes, in those days, you detached the core of the machine and carried it to the post office for charging; guess how its done nowadays?

But, even in those days, the newer machines let you dial the amount of postage to apply to each piece.

Older machines had slugs - eg, 1c, 2c, 3c - that you physically swapped.

http://www.meterstampsociety.com/ ... The Meter Stamp Society site has much more information on the evolution of these devices

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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13 Aug 2016
08:47:19am

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I have this cover from India to Australia.
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14 Aug 2016
03:45:11am
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Anyone interested in Postmarks(not metered) there are 20000 for sale here:
http://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/6988867-britain-special-cancellations-on-cover-fragments-more-than-20-000-pieces

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07 Sep 2016
09:05:23am
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I am partial to illustrated meter imprints that feature aviation.

Here are a couple of samples.

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07 Sep 2016
10:55:54am
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Aaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh! Angry

Classic rookie mistake! I thought meter-cancels were useless to collectors so threw away probably a shoebox full of covers (and the "cut square" types shown) found in THE HOARD. I came across one a month or so ago and put it in Auction as a joke, and was gob-smacked when it sold.

I'm going to have to take another look, but I'm pretty sure I got rid of everything.

I'm killing myself thinking of how much that may have helped my US Divestiture Program. "Oh, the humanity!" At Wits End

Dave.

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07 Sep 2016
12:55:30pm
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I collect the meters that have advertising for railroads and old radio shows similar to Roy's pictures of the aviation meter covers.

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07 Sep 2016
03:36:35pm
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Now here's a nice Pitney-Bowes specimen; not mine though.


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And here's a rather disturbing 1962 advert, which is surely calling out for a caption:


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07 Sep 2016
09:57:27pm
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Roy,

I really like that helicopter meter cover - want to part with it???


I am a collector of helicopter mail.

Happy

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08 Sep 2016
06:17:31am
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I didn't see a post in this thread that linked to this other resource. I have used it for some look-ups:

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/International_Postage_Meter_Stamp_Catalog


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08 Sep 2016
10:34:41am
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Interesting site. Thanks for the link.

Amazing how Guyana issues 100,000 stamps a year and uses meters!

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08 Sep 2016
12:52:54pm
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Randy, it's on the way ... and postage paid with Blue Jays stamps! Rolling On The Floor Laughing

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08 Sep 2016
03:20:27pm
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Thanks, Roy!

BlueJays, huh? That works.... anything but New York!!



Let me know what I owe you, okay?


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08 Sep 2016
04:05:21pm
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With Blue Jays stamps PRICELESS!!!!Happy

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10 Sep 2016
07:00:12am
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Is the implication of the Pitney-Bowes advertisement
that a female cannot operate their labeler
without a man standing there to supervise her?

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10 Sep 2016
11:44:07am
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Looks like he is cozying up to get a better whiff of her perfume. Looks like a creeper to me. Rolling On The Floor Laughing

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24 Feb 2024
09:53:46pm
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I posted this meter in a different thread but I think it fits here.

Here is a meter strip which still has full gum on the back, so probably unused. Not sure if it would be allowed today.

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25 Feb 2024
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Slogan Meter of the US Air Force, Supreme Air Command

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25 Feb 2024
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Nice one Antonio, i spent some time "out west".

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25 Feb 2024
10:42:26pm
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Here are a couple of meter covers I got good prices for in my weekly ebay auctions:

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26 Feb 2024
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A lovey advertising cover with slogan meter from the pet industry in the Netherlands.

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26 Feb 2024
12:27:31pm
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Meter collecting was more popular in the 1950s and meter collectors had their own show, at least in Chicago.

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26 Feb 2024
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May have shown this one elsewhere, but fits in here as well I believe;


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26 Feb 2024
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Not that I collect them, but here are a few from the 1950's Canada.
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26 Feb 2024
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SMauggie heres one from Guatemala with El Quetzal .Image Not Found

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26 Feb 2024
02:39:36pm
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Nice one, Phil!

Leica slogan meter on advertising cover.

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27 Feb 2024
09:28:03am
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New York World's Fair exhibit meter slogan.

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27 Feb 2024
09:57:05am
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Here are three of the 227 US meter covers currently available on Buckacover.com:

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USA meter and permit covers

There are also worldwide and Canada meter categories.

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28 Feb 2024
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Falstaff had its origins in St. Louis in 1903. It had several regional breweries, Atlanta being one of them. It was a popular regional brand that ended production in 2005. Pabst Brewing holds the rights to the Falstaff brand.

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29 Feb 2024
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Twenty-fifth anniversary of parcel post meter slug. Seems like an unusual subject for a commercial firm, unless it shipped a lot of parcels.

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29 Feb 2024
03:31:56pm
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Here's another WWII patriotic meter ads. This is a page in my stamp album.

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I serviced this on the first day. I was careful to tie it all together!

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01 Mar 2024
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A couple of Minnesota meters.

Swift & Company (meatpacking company)
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A Minnesota Department of Agriculture with a slogan promoting Minnesota Tourism
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2010ccg

31 Jul 2016
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I believe that there is a Meter Stamp Society. Just wondering if we have any members who collect meter stamps or meter stamps on envelope
Didn`t realize the assortment of meter stamps available. Can anyone add information on the history of Henry Meisel ?

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31 Jul 2016
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When I was a kid, I briefly collected metre stamps, mostly from bins in the post office and from mail that my parents got at their store. If postage stamps had been more readily available, I would probably have ignored metre postage. But a few years ago I learned that postage metres weren't necessarily boring. I found this cover at All Nations Stamp & Coin in Vancouver:

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I'd never seen metres mail with multiple impressions. I suspect this was a case of a metre machine badly malfunctioning.

The postage metres aren't the main reason I bought this cover, which as you can see was posted more than a year after VE Day, at a period of severe commodity shortages, including paper. It fit very comfortably into my British war economy collection. This particular cover was made from an unused sheet of paper that was originally made to package salt; here's an exploded view of the inside of the cover:

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Here three Canadian wartime metre stamps, two including slogans:

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31 Jul 2016
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Bob, the multiple meter cancels were in all probability to make the correct postal rate charge for an international letter, the total comes to 18d which I'm sure one of our more knowledgeable members could confirm as the correct postage.

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31 Jul 2016
01:15:30pm

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@Sheepshanks,

Of course! Shoulda thought of that. The standard wartime and postwar international airmail rate was 1s6p, or 18p. Blushing

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31 Jul 2016
01:16:10pm

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Hi All

I have heard that meter cancellations are gaining in popularity. They come in a variety of designs and rates. I have come across a number of them in dealer boxes at good prices. My suggestion would be, if you really like them enough to pursue a research, then get them now before they go up in price. IMHO of course.

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31 Jul 2016
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Here is a link to a recent discussion on meters.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=15004#112050

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31 Jul 2016
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I have a few, these are some of the more interesting ones. First is Paris, 2nd Dayton, OH,(I'd like a little help with it) 3rd is Great Britain and the 4th, Barranquilla, Columbia S.A.

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As to the Dayton, OH meter, I've never been sure what was up with the added $.13 franking. The metered postage was added on April 5th and the cancel added on April 6th. The outer inscription on the cancel reads Dayton Ohio (then something) City Sta.-USPO. I'm not sure if the $.13 Liberty Bell was added on, or if it was part of the original franking.(both are tied to the paper) Would I be correct in thinking the package was forwarded at some point and required the extra postage? Also, what is the full inscription on the cancel and is this where it would have been forwarded to? It doesn't seem like that would require an extra $.13 in postage.

Here's a close up if it helps.

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31 Jul 2016
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Awesome examples....perfect

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Bob I,

early meters were preset, so there'd be a 1d, 2d, 2.5d (or 1c, 2c, 3c) etc; if the fee was more, or different, multiples were used.

as to gaining in popularity, i haven't heard that. they certainly aren't here in SOR's membership, as I had had two different people taking meters from me for free (just paying postage) and both have stopped. I think that meters are increasingly paying the freight on all types of covers, but that's far different than popular

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01 Aug 2016
12:30:22pm

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Maybe your sources are different than mine???

They are not on the top of the popularity scale, but, heard from different sources (collectors & dealers etc.) that more collect them than in the past, albeit not in large numbers.

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http://www.meterstampsociety.com/


I am not a member and I don't actively pursue meters, but I do save them.

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02 Aug 2016
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One of the fun aspects of metered postage are the variety of ways you can collect them.

1 - Collect all meter types from one country
2 - Collect all meter numbers from one state
3 - Collect all meter numbers for a particular type of meter
4 - Collect meters with slogans by topic. One lady collects every meter slogan in the world that contains a picture of a turtle.
5 - Collect meters by rate (first class, third class, insured, registered, express mail, etc)
6 - Collect meters as part of a postal history collection.
7 - Collect a metered postage cover from every country that issued them.

Or you can use your own imagination to come up with a different collecting motive altogether.

I myself am interested in 1, 2 and 7.

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02 Aug 2016
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and, of course, some rates are extant ONLY with meters, including the meter-specific half-penny discount (46.5c vs 47c first class) rate, and many other discounted rates (the presort stamps, for instance, represent PART of the rate)


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02 Aug 2016
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This ties in with Antonio's #4 but I think collecting only ones with a neat pictorial would be a beautiful collection.


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02 Aug 2016
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4 and 6 are the ones that interest me the most......but you never know what might pop up in a selection saved over the years

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03 Aug 2016
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Even meters are getting scarce now. Most bulk mailings from large companies and other large users now use PPI s ( post paid impressions ) which are pre-printed on the envelopes rather like the old pre-paid postal stationery used to be.

Of course in the deregulated regime here, much of the "upstream" mail is collected by private companies at discount postage then fed into the mailstream for "downstream" delivery by Royal Mail ( probably at an uneconomic rate). Of course it is the door-to-door delivery which is tha major portion of the cost.

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04 Aug 2016
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Here are a few from my collection. Some are quite fancy.

Chimo

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04 Aug 2016
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Those are some nice ones Bujutsu.

I like to have at least the strips or a slogan so you can know which company issued the meter like you have there.

Part of the interest for meters from Minnesota is to track the meter number to the company or organization that owned the meter.

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04 Aug 2016
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Those are awesome...Thanks for sharing

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04 Aug 2016
11:45:57pm

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Bujutsu:

Yamaha! Very nice!

The then-wife owned a C7.

She had very sensitive concert-quality fingers, and did not want an instrument that did not suit her perfectly.

So, she flew to the factory in Japan, went into the warehouse, and picked it out.

They let her play one after the other.

She could not tell them apart.

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05 Aug 2016
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I've never seriously collected meters, but have always held onto the interesting ones, especially topicals. Here's a page from my USA album. Always room for something interesting related to the stamp topic.

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05 Aug 2016
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Hi all. Glad you liked the images. Here are a few more to add to the list. I have others, but the ones I have been showing in here are my favourites. I particularly like the Canadian 'postage due' and, the Belgian proof card plus the one with the Belgian railway logo. That's about it for me.

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09 Aug 2016
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WB,

I don't think the 13 cent stamp was added to the meter, rather the meter was added to the stamp. Notice that the meter isn't applied directly to the envelope but to a meter strip, like a modern PVI. The post office added the $2.35, most likely to cover the contemporary charge of $2.10 for Registered Mail plus $0.25 for return receipt.

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10 Aug 2016
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Thanks Lars, I hadn't considered registered mail.

Much appreciated,

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12 Aug 2016
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There is a Wikibook on Wikipedia titled International Postage Meter Stamp catalog. It has a listing of many countries meter cancels. Great reference. If you go to Wikibooks and search the International Postage Meter Stamp Catalog, you will find it.

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12 Aug 2016
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David said,

"Early meters were preset, so there'd be a 1d, 2d, 2.5d (or 1c, 2c, 3c) etc; if the fee was more, or different, multiples were used. "



I didn't know that. Thanks, David. I seem to remember that my dad used postage metres in his business, or maybe sold them (he owned an office supply store). I think they had to be taken to the post office to be "charged". I really don't know much about them at all.

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12 Aug 2016
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"I didn't know that. Thanks, David. I seem to remember that my dad used postage metres in his business, or maybe sold them (he owned an office supply store). I think they had to be taken to the post office to be "charged". I really don't know much about them at all.
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I can't say universally, since meters started out as simple apparatuses, but I can share my experience from the late 1970s. I worked in the home office of a large home builder who later grew to be Wall Street listed. Since I was a stamp collector and interested in the workings of the post office, I became the postal guru, obtaining their first meter and running all their mass mailings.

We had a Pitney Bowes machine. It was like a light duty postal cancellation machine. It had two modes, one to print out a tape to put on a package, and a second mode that printed directly on an envelope. It had a holder that you could put a stack of mail in, and it would process it all through the meter.

The meter head detached from the unit. It had a carrying case and had to be brought to the post office to be loaded with postage. It had a meter, hence called a "meter cancel" where it deducted the cost of each impression and I could read the balance of postage left in the machine. I had to monitor it, and get a company check for the next amount of postage to be loaded. I don't remember how much we added at a time, nor how much the meter would hold.

At the post office, a clerk would break the seal and load in the new postage. He'd reseal it and I'd take it back to the office. The meter wasn't set for any specific amount of postage per envelope. It had levers on the top and I could set it to run post cards, single rate envelopes or higher. There were times I'd realize I had a two ounce letter after I had printed the single rate, so I could run it through upside down to add the extra postage on the bottom, or print a label with a meter. That was the cleanest way, so I would do that most of the time, unless the label roll was low.

I'd sort the outgoing mail into stacks based on how much postage each piece needed. I'd set the meter for one amount, run that stack through, then reset the meter for the rate of the next stack.

We didn't have an advertising slug in our machine. I wanted to get one but it was costly so I couldn't convince management that it was worthwhile.
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12 Aug 2016
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Thank you Ben Franklin for your story...My husband did much the same when he worked his job in Halifax NS I am adding this story(with your permission) and his to my meter collection for future reference. Hopefully some day my grandson will read this and understand the history and use of meters in by gone years....

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12 Aug 2016
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No worries Cheryl, I'd be pleased to be part of your meter collection. The story took place in Red Bank, new Jersey

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12 Aug 2016
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Thanks for confirming my memory, Tom. At least the part about going to the post office to recharge the meter. I do wonder why my dad used a postage meter — his was a pretty small business and can't have had a large mailing list or many accounts receivable.

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13 Aug 2016
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Circa BenFranklin1902's story, I had a client who sold Pitney Bowes machines, ranging from simple onesy-twosy postage meters to machines that would seal & apply postage to a stack of outgoing mail.

Yes, in those days, you detached the core of the machine and carried it to the post office for charging; guess how its done nowadays?

But, even in those days, the newer machines let you dial the amount of postage to apply to each piece.

Older machines had slugs - eg, 1c, 2c, 3c - that you physically swapped.

http://www.meterstampsociety.com/ ... The Meter Stamp Society site has much more information on the evolution of these devices

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13 Aug 2016
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I have this cover from India to Australia.
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14 Aug 2016
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Anyone interested in Postmarks(not metered) there are 20000 for sale here:
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I am partial to illustrated meter imprints that feature aviation.

Here are a couple of samples.

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07 Sep 2016
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Aaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh! Angry

Classic rookie mistake! I thought meter-cancels were useless to collectors so threw away probably a shoebox full of covers (and the "cut square" types shown) found in THE HOARD. I came across one a month or so ago and put it in Auction as a joke, and was gob-smacked when it sold.

I'm going to have to take another look, but I'm pretty sure I got rid of everything.

I'm killing myself thinking of how much that may have helped my US Divestiture Program. "Oh, the humanity!" At Wits End

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07 Sep 2016
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I collect the meters that have advertising for railroads and old radio shows similar to Roy's pictures of the aviation meter covers.

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07 Sep 2016
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Now here's a nice Pitney-Bowes specimen; not mine though.


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And here's a rather disturbing 1962 advert, which is surely calling out for a caption:


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07 Sep 2016
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Roy,

I really like that helicopter meter cover - want to part with it???


I am a collector of helicopter mail.

Happy

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08 Sep 2016
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I didn't see a post in this thread that linked to this other resource. I have used it for some look-ups:

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/International_Postage_Meter_Stamp_Catalog


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08 Sep 2016
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Interesting site. Thanks for the link.

Amazing how Guyana issues 100,000 stamps a year and uses meters!

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Randy, it's on the way ... and postage paid with Blue Jays stamps! Rolling On The Floor Laughing

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08 Sep 2016
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Thanks, Roy!

BlueJays, huh? That works.... anything but New York!!



Let me know what I owe you, okay?


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08 Sep 2016
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With Blue Jays stamps PRICELESS!!!!Happy

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Is the implication of the Pitney-Bowes advertisement
that a female cannot operate their labeler
without a man standing there to supervise her?

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Looks like he is cozying up to get a better whiff of her perfume. Looks like a creeper to me. Rolling On The Floor Laughing

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24 Feb 2024
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I posted this meter in a different thread but I think it fits here.

Here is a meter strip which still has full gum on the back, so probably unused. Not sure if it would be allowed today.

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25 Feb 2024
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Slogan Meter of the US Air Force, Supreme Air Command

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25 Feb 2024
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Nice one Antonio, i spent some time "out west".

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Here are a couple of meter covers I got good prices for in my weekly ebay auctions:

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26 Feb 2024
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A lovey advertising cover with slogan meter from the pet industry in the Netherlands.

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26 Feb 2024
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Meter collecting was more popular in the 1950s and meter collectors had their own show, at least in Chicago.

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26 Feb 2024
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May have shown this one elsewhere, but fits in here as well I believe;


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26 Feb 2024
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Not that I collect them, but here are a few from the 1950's Canada.
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26 Feb 2024
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Nice one, Phil!

Leica slogan meter on advertising cover.

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27 Feb 2024
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New York World's Fair exhibit meter slogan.

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Here are three of the 227 US meter covers currently available on Buckacover.com:

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USA meter and permit covers

There are also worldwide and Canada meter categories.

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28 Feb 2024
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Falstaff had its origins in St. Louis in 1903. It had several regional breweries, Atlanta being one of them. It was a popular regional brand that ended production in 2005. Pabst Brewing holds the rights to the Falstaff brand.

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29 Feb 2024
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Twenty-fifth anniversary of parcel post meter slug. Seems like an unusual subject for a commercial firm, unless it shipped a lot of parcels.

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Here's another WWII patriotic meter ads. This is a page in my stamp album.

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I serviced this on the first day. I was careful to tie it all together!

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A couple of Minnesota meters.

Swift & Company (meatpacking company)
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