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Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
If the seller asks the buyer if folding is acceptable, well that's a different story. If you are selling large items in the approvals, please keep this in mind when calculating shipping costs for buyers.
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Here's my two cents:
Sellers who fold philatelic items should be placed in stocks with a sign (printed in several languages) hung around their necks stating: I am a philatelic bonehead.
I bought a WWII German censored cover and photograph from a seller in Portugal. He folded the cover and the photo so that he did not have to use a larger envelope, larger being maybe a half inch taller.
His response: "I would have had to charge you a little more postage for the bigger envelope."
I would have paid of course.
This careless act still disturbs me: The cover survived WWII! until this bonehead folded the cover and the photo which pictured two male Wehrmacht soldiers in a rather scandalous embrace.
Arg!!!!
Bruce
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Folding items should be avoided. Even some philatelic agencies fold longer strips of se-tenant stamps, and even some larger souvenir sheets.
With that said, a seller should still note if an item is or will be folded. Still, sellers should not be that lazy or cheap to intentionally fold an item to avoid using a larger envelope and save a couple of cents in postage. Safe and proper shipping should have been included in the shipping fees for that item.
If a fold is not mentioned, and the buyer is not satisfied, then the seller will have to make it right as it is considered to be a defect. However, this does not apply to booklet panes or other items that are issued folded.
Michael
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Here is a part of the seller's response to my complaint about the folded item;
"Yes, correct - a canned pic. Never had a complaint until now. We've been shipping these folded for years!"
The seller used a "canned pic" of an item that was unfolded then shipped a folded item.
Don't you love it when they make a comment implying that you are being too picky by complaining about receiving damaged goods? How would you respond to this seller?
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You did not say if you bought the item from a seller on Stamporama. If so, use of "canned pics" is strictly forbidden.
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You're right, Michael. This was an ebay purchase, but I thought it was worthwhile mentioning to the sellers on our sales platforms.
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Ok so for this dim Englishman, does "canned pic" mean a stock photo or one prepared in advance to make it look improved over the actual item. Bit like food photos in magazines and tv ads.
Anyways, tea break over so back to soaking machins, few hundred done, hundreds more to go.
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You've got it right! A canned pic is a generic pic of an item offered for sale. Our rules require that the picture of an item in the auction or approvals MUST be the ACTUAL item for sale.
The intent of the rule is to insist that the actual stamp be depicted because there can be a huge amount of variation from stamp to stamp as far as centering, perfs, color, etc are concerned.
There are some reasonable exceptions. If you are selling 100 blank stock pages, you don't need to show a pic of every single stock page - that would be ridiculous.
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Thanks Theresa, not used to these Americanisms and even the Urban Dictionary didn't give me an answer.
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Not too long ago my Scott 300 search turned up an eBay lot that was being sold as "20 1906 1 cent stamps" and the opening bid was a few dollars. I opened the auction and saw my Ben Franklin, on 20 old postcards. There were some interesting cancels and a RPO cancel so I bid the minimum and waited. Nobody else bid so I won.
The way it was pictured and the description, I got the idea this was not a stamp person. So with my payment, I added a note telling them I wanted the entire cards like shown in the photo. Good thing I did, the seller was about to cut them off to 'save money on postage'.
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Well folks how do you feel about buyers folding philatelic items for shipment? To me, this is a BIG NO NO. For example, I just purchased a strip of 6 self-adhesives and the seller folded it to fit it into a small envelope instead of using a #9 or #10 standard size envelope. Trust me, I wrote immediately and asked for either a replacement or a refund.
If the seller asks the buyer if folding is acceptable, well that's a different story. If you are selling large items in the approvals, please keep this in mind when calculating shipping costs for buyers.
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03:51:52pm
re: Folding Philatelic Items for shipment
Here's my two cents:
Sellers who fold philatelic items should be placed in stocks with a sign (printed in several languages) hung around their necks stating: I am a philatelic bonehead.
I bought a WWII German censored cover and photograph from a seller in Portugal. He folded the cover and the photo so that he did not have to use a larger envelope, larger being maybe a half inch taller.
His response: "I would have had to charge you a little more postage for the bigger envelope."
I would have paid of course.
This careless act still disturbs me: The cover survived WWII! until this bonehead folded the cover and the photo which pictured two male Wehrmacht soldiers in a rather scandalous embrace.
Arg!!!!
Bruce
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11:32:15pm
re: Folding Philatelic Items for shipment
Folding items should be avoided. Even some philatelic agencies fold longer strips of se-tenant stamps, and even some larger souvenir sheets.
With that said, a seller should still note if an item is or will be folded. Still, sellers should not be that lazy or cheap to intentionally fold an item to avoid using a larger envelope and save a couple of cents in postage. Safe and proper shipping should have been included in the shipping fees for that item.
If a fold is not mentioned, and the buyer is not satisfied, then the seller will have to make it right as it is considered to be a defect. However, this does not apply to booklet panes or other items that are issued folded.
Michael
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re: Folding Philatelic Items for shipment
Here is a part of the seller's response to my complaint about the folded item;
"Yes, correct - a canned pic. Never had a complaint until now. We've been shipping these folded for years!"
The seller used a "canned pic" of an item that was unfolded then shipped a folded item.
Don't you love it when they make a comment implying that you are being too picky by complaining about receiving damaged goods? How would you respond to this seller?
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10:50:17am
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You did not say if you bought the item from a seller on Stamporama. If so, use of "canned pics" is strictly forbidden.
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re: Folding Philatelic Items for shipment
You're right, Michael. This was an ebay purchase, but I thought it was worthwhile mentioning to the sellers on our sales platforms.
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re: Folding Philatelic Items for shipment
Ok so for this dim Englishman, does "canned pic" mean a stock photo or one prepared in advance to make it look improved over the actual item. Bit like food photos in magazines and tv ads.
Anyways, tea break over so back to soaking machins, few hundred done, hundreds more to go.
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re: Folding Philatelic Items for shipment
You've got it right! A canned pic is a generic pic of an item offered for sale. Our rules require that the picture of an item in the auction or approvals MUST be the ACTUAL item for sale.
The intent of the rule is to insist that the actual stamp be depicted because there can be a huge amount of variation from stamp to stamp as far as centering, perfs, color, etc are concerned.
There are some reasonable exceptions. If you are selling 100 blank stock pages, you don't need to show a pic of every single stock page - that would be ridiculous.
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re: Folding Philatelic Items for shipment
Thanks Theresa, not used to these Americanisms and even the Urban Dictionary didn't give me an answer.
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re: Folding Philatelic Items for shipment
Not too long ago my Scott 300 search turned up an eBay lot that was being sold as "20 1906 1 cent stamps" and the opening bid was a few dollars. I opened the auction and saw my Ben Franklin, on 20 old postcards. There were some interesting cancels and a RPO cancel so I bid the minimum and waited. Nobody else bid so I won.
The way it was pictured and the description, I got the idea this was not a stamp person. So with my payment, I added a note telling them I wanted the entire cards like shown in the photo. Good thing I did, the seller was about to cut them off to 'save money on postage'.
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