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Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
Have you guys ever saw a major shift so far up and to the left on this value.?
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Yes. The shift/amount is identical, so I assume that an entire pane was discovered and was broken up afterwards. Which means at least 100 probably survived, and at least 400 were produced from the 4 panes that were cut from the same sheet. They'll pop up here and there in auctions.
It is very nice, especially since yours comes from a selvage position.
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Thanks for that input ..however here is that sad bit ..as you can see the full gum has been damaged the effected area (circled) has no gum what so ever and is not the result of a hinge being removed but all the same not a bad example.
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Disturbed original gum ?!?!
Gosh, might as well toss it 
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FORGET THE DDDDM GUMMM
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As you noted, that is unlikely hinge damage. Unfortunately, based on the vertical white lines I see, one of the previous owners had likely stored it in a photo album.
Unless it is a backside EFO, most EFO collectors focus on the front side of the stamp. A reasonable appearing original gum is usually sufficient to keep them from categorizing it as printer's waste. If there was a noticeable thin there, that would cause a far greater drop in retail value.
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gum is highly overrated !
I don't think the pattern in the edge of the gum is damaged. It looks like it was applied that way. Too even and deliberate to be damage. The other gum mar also looks like a gum skip, unless there is some paper damage too.
Nice stamp, I wouldn't kick it out of my collection
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I respectfully disagree. I think it is damage. You can see the additional lateral gum damage in the lower half of the lines. Some of the lines do not extend to the edge of the selvage. In addition, you can see a similar series of lines in the middle of the stamp and possibly at the bottom of the stamp. Since neither of us can physically examine the stamp, only the owner could tell us.
However, we can both agree on one thing -- it's the front of the stamp that matters for this EFO. If a buyer is so fixated on undisturbed original gum, just give a buyer another MNH $1 Wilson and tell the buyer to stick the EFO on top of the MNH stamp.
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A lot of the early rotary press stamps had "ribbed gum" like this. I read that the gum rollers laid it down in lines and it was expected to smooth out before it dried. Some obviously dried to fast and left the ribbed gum.
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Good point Sean. However, while the cent value Prexie stamps were printed by rotary press, all the dollar values were printed by flat plate press.
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And that folks, is why Kim is the expert.
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I'm far from being an expert, Sean. Just noting what I read in Durland.
The jury is still out on what those marks are. With only a picture, we can only guess. But at least the process produces some useful knowledge for future reference, such as you noting the ribbed gum that sometimes appears on rotary press printings.
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Have you guys ever saw a major shift so far up and to the left on this value.?
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Yes. The shift/amount is identical, so I assume that an entire pane was discovered and was broken up afterwards. Which means at least 100 probably survived, and at least 400 were produced from the 4 panes that were cut from the same sheet. They'll pop up here and there in auctions.
It is very nice, especially since yours comes from a selvage position.
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re: Major Shift $1 Wilson Ex ''Prexie''
Thanks for that input ..however here is that sad bit ..as you can see the full gum has been damaged the effected area (circled) has no gum what so ever and is not the result of a hinge being removed but all the same not a bad example.
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Disturbed original gum ?!?!
Gosh, might as well toss it
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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FORGET THE DDDDM GUMMM
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re: Major Shift $1 Wilson Ex ''Prexie''
As you noted, that is unlikely hinge damage. Unfortunately, based on the vertical white lines I see, one of the previous owners had likely stored it in a photo album.
Unless it is a backside EFO, most EFO collectors focus on the front side of the stamp. A reasonable appearing original gum is usually sufficient to keep them from categorizing it as printer's waste. If there was a noticeable thin there, that would cause a far greater drop in retail value.
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re: Major Shift $1 Wilson Ex ''Prexie''
gum is highly overrated !
I don't think the pattern in the edge of the gum is damaged. It looks like it was applied that way. Too even and deliberate to be damage. The other gum mar also looks like a gum skip, unless there is some paper damage too.
Nice stamp, I wouldn't kick it out of my collection
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re: Major Shift $1 Wilson Ex ''Prexie''
I respectfully disagree. I think it is damage. You can see the additional lateral gum damage in the lower half of the lines. Some of the lines do not extend to the edge of the selvage. In addition, you can see a similar series of lines in the middle of the stamp and possibly at the bottom of the stamp. Since neither of us can physically examine the stamp, only the owner could tell us.
However, we can both agree on one thing -- it's the front of the stamp that matters for this EFO. If a buyer is so fixated on undisturbed original gum, just give a buyer another MNH $1 Wilson and tell the buyer to stick the EFO on top of the MNH stamp.
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re: Major Shift $1 Wilson Ex ''Prexie''
A lot of the early rotary press stamps had "ribbed gum" like this. I read that the gum rollers laid it down in lines and it was expected to smooth out before it dried. Some obviously dried to fast and left the ribbed gum.
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Good point Sean. However, while the cent value Prexie stamps were printed by rotary press, all the dollar values were printed by flat plate press.
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And that folks, is why Kim is the expert.
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I'm far from being an expert, Sean. Just noting what I read in Durland.
The jury is still out on what those marks are. With only a picture, we can only guess. But at least the process produces some useful knowledge for future reference, such as you noting the ribbed gum that sometimes appears on rotary press printings.
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