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amsd
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08 Jun 2016
11:50:51am
Image Not Foundnote the paper differences on these two Scott 790 stamps on the same piece.... Scott doesn't indicate multiple papers; does unitrade?

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lemaven
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08 Jun 2016
12:05:16pm
re: two different 17c Parliament Houses

Hey David. Couldn't see what you were getting at in the posting so copied and resized. Not sure, but does the one on the left have a greenish tint to the paper?

I'll check my Unitrade tonight if no other response but I suspect if that's the difference it's just a color bleed. Maybe the person sending it soaked it off an envelope previously unused?

Going through massive piles of Canada last night and found a number with pinkish hues, one blue and one green. The latter two probably came from those stamps (since like yours that was the predominant color but no clue whatsoever where pink came from!

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cornerpost
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08 Jun 2016
12:17:07pm
re: two different 17c Parliament Houses

Hi Dave,

The pink may have come from a stamp soaked off a red envelope before being re-used. I know I hate people who stick stamps on red envelopes.

Merv

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bobgggg
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08 Jun 2016
12:42:28pm
re: two different 17c Parliament Houses

David, I tend to agree with Merv, that it is a reused stamp that originally missed the cancel machine, esp since the 17 cent stamps are being used as make-up postage.

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lemaven
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08 Jun 2016
02:46:52pm
re: two different 17c Parliament Houses

Thanks Merv. As I mentioned, I suspected paper tinges were a color bleed in soaking but never thought of a red envelope being involved. In fact, I've never even seen one. Of course, I don't get letters from the Communist Party or any bars called Girls Galore so ...


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Liz
08 Jun 2016
05:02:50pm
re: two different 17c Parliament Houses

The Unitrade catalogue only lists 17c green, Plate 1 & 2 - Scott #790

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lemaven
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08 Jun 2016
07:36:28pm
re: two different 17c Parliament Houses

Not to contradict my "mentor" Patches Angel but she just gave me her 2012 Unitrade and I found something completely different (and it wasn't in a Monty Python sketch)!

790ii is described as a "thin paper variety" having had the "top layer of paper peeled off before printing" and seems to have a greenish tint in the photo supplied. There is a Plate 1 and 2 listed but no info as to what, if any, differences exist.

There is also a rare version 790a printed on the gum side. No visual on color so I'd suggest licking the envelope and seeing if it tastes minty.

Cheers, Dave.

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amsd
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09 Jun 2016
08:30:11am
re: two different 17c Parliament Houses

thanks all for these possibilities; I especially enjoy the back and forth.

I only have this on piece, but at least that puts the green 790 with the white one on the same piece. None of the three are still attached to one another, so it is possible that some or all came from different sources, including the initially suggested "soaked and re-used" option. I doubt it's the gum side rarity.

I like unitrade's 790ii option, because of the green tint, but, for the life of me, can't imagine what the loss of a layer of paper entails or how it happens. Any shed any green-tinted light on that for me (any former paper reps?).

again, thank you all for your efforts on this


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malcolm197
26 Jun 2016
01:04:30pm
re: two different 17c Parliament Houses

For an in-depth look at Canadian definitives look at the Adminware site( they of Machin fame) complete with tips on how to differentiate papers etc- not all of which work for me I have to say, although that is probably a perception problem on my part.

In my opinion comparing papers is v. difficult without control copies. I have a selection of control copies for GB Machin stamps. In most cases a combination of dated postmark (where available), control copies and pure gut instinct! works.

Malcolm

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Liz
04 Aug 2016
01:06:42am
re: two different 17c Parliament Houses

Dave did I send you my reading glasses along with the Unitrade catalogue? LOL

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