Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
(A) Are these "Stock Transfer" stamps a sub-genre of "Revenue" stamps (which a few people have expressed interest in)? Are they supposed to be so extensively perforated (and is it, as I presume, to exclude secondary usage)? Are they collectible? Any guesstimate on value?
(B) I know nothing about U.S. stamps and haven't looked in a catalog. They look "old" to me but I suspect more common-ish than rare-ish. Thoughts?
(C) Odd looking "crop circles" for postmarks. Are they a sign of intelligent alien life? A type of precancel? A specific era/usage? Collectible or of interest?
(D) I'm pretty sure these are the "pre-cancels" some folks have inquired about as something they collect. I've got quite a few dozen hidden in the piles of U.S. still to sort through. I don't think this will be a collection area for me, so should I look for particular cities to offer up or just throw whatever into the wind and see who "Likes"? Other comments?
(E) I put these on a numbered "Approval Page" for easier commentary directed to specific stamps. A couple comments from me, with your rebuttals appreciated:
1. Is the technical name "cut square"? General principle presumably that large margins and clear postmark (like this) are "good"? (I realize this is probably a low value stamp - just used as an example).
3. Is the technical name "tete beche"? Does that apply to 2 different stamps together or that one is "upside down" or both? Better to keep them together (especially with such a nice cancellation) or "low CV so who cares"?
4. Is the technical name "on piece" when a stamp with a cancel is cut from an envelope? Would you agree this is probably a good example of "don't let your kids trim your stamps"? The cancel seems cool to me, but is this type of thing of interest to anyone beyond that? (I have seen some other similar cancels).
5. A perfin with "U of O". Are U.S. perfins a collectible area (I have found a handful more in a brief run-through the pile)? Any types in particular? (I'm only used to the Canadian OHMS versions which I do have in my personal collection). Unfortunately looks like the ink from the cancel ran through the perfs then got absorbed and made a bit of a blotch. Is that common/acceptable?
6. "OB" = "Official Business"? Or the private overprint of future rap star "ODB" back in the day before he added the middle name "Dirty"? Saw this on some Philippines stamps too (Huh?)
7. Is this really an imperf? I don't see any indications of a sneaky perf-trim and the paper doesn't seem like it came from a postcard or pre-stamped envelope. Not sure I've seen any others yet but are they something to look for?
8. Is this a jokey thing or something to keep? Where would you put it in a collection and how would it be labelled?
9. Is this a decent example of a "SON" cancel? Location and date are clear with the centering (to my eye) really good - maybe a 7 out of 10 SON?
10/11. Obviously more an advertisement piece than a stamp for postal usage but I think it's beautiful and I've seen some others with different colors but not sure I saw any denominations. Collectible? Common-ish? Again, how would you label and where would you place it in a collection?
(F) I'm pretty sure these must be the so-called "Revenues" I hear about. A real mixed bag and I'm totally clueless so no commentary from me beyond that. On a numbered page again for your feedback.
Many thanks comrades. I think I'll poke through some covers this week. My wife says she needs new shoes and a deposit on next year's tuition fees for our college-girl so I may have to start actually disposing of some things other than just organizing, scanning, and researching...
Cheers. Dave.
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Executive Summary: Yes, Virginia, everything is collectible.
A) Yes, chicken broth transfer stamps are collectible; beef, not so much.
C) The otherwise-empty two-concentric-ring cancels are from hand stamps in the hand of every postal clerk. Nowadays, they use markers, BTAT (But That's Another Thread).
D) Precancels are actively collected, from all countries & times:
http://www.precancels.com/ ... LEARN MORE HERE
E1) Yes, this is a cut square. Preference today is for entires.
E4) I would also call this a cut square, but that's me. Preference today is for entires.
These AIR MAIL SAVES TIME cancels are differentiated by minor differences in the design. Make a page of 'em, and smile.
E7) Heart beating faster? Sorry; one of "Farley's Folleys", to wit:
http://postalmuseum.si.edu/deliveringhope/exhibition_p2.html
E8) The "Training Stamps" are real. Got mine from Pat Herst z"l.
E12) One of a set of Cinderellas. Lovely product of ABNC, if memory serves.
F) Some are revenues.
F2) Postal notes were a Poor People's Money Order.
http://arago.si.edu/category_2036406.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_postal_notes
F23) Special Handling stamps were an upgrade for parcels.
F36) Speaking of special handling, pay attention to 'manuscript cancels'.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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let me add to C a bit: these are called 'mute cancels' and were used to cancel stamps without showing any date. Often, but not always, they included the town and state, but never the date. They were used on registered covers and third and fourth class covers to cancel the stamps but not date it. On registry, the dating occurs on the reverse; on third and fourth, no dating occurs (or shouldn't). They might also be used to cancel dues, especially in bulk. So they had a specific purpose.
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"E8) The "Training Stamps" are real."
These are not "training" stamps. These are used for testing coil stamp dispensing machines and devices.
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I wonder how 'testing' went to 'training' ... it happened a long time ago, that's for sure, because that's how I think of them ... 
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Yes, they are all revenue or Back of book items. Fortunately they say exactly what they they are in print on the stamp. They all appear to be very common and not worth more than a few dollars on a good day. Since you have already decided to jump in you need to get your own Scott U.S. Specialized catalog. It shows all of the other types of stamps that are not shown in the regular cat. After that all you have to do is read what the stamp says and look it up in the index. It's more time consuming looking up B.O.B stuff than it is regular postage stamps. An old one will do just fine so look for an older cheap one on Ebay and you're ready to rock.
The first stamp in the 4th row is probably the best by far of the lot. It is Scott #211 and catalogs for $27.50. You could get around $9.00 for it if it does not have any faults
Tete beche refers to a pair of stamps where one is upright and the other upside down. They are mostly seen in France and Switzerland. See scan
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I've had a few requests (private messages and discussion boards) to keep an eye out for some things. Here's a few samples I found this weekend. Answers to questions and any other commentary appreciated.
(A) Are these "Stock Transfer" stamps a sub-genre of "Revenue" stamps (which a few people have expressed interest in)? Are they supposed to be so extensively perforated (and is it, as I presume, to exclude secondary usage)? Are they collectible? Any guesstimate on value?
(B) I know nothing about U.S. stamps and haven't looked in a catalog. They look "old" to me but I suspect more common-ish than rare-ish. Thoughts?
(C) Odd looking "crop circles" for postmarks. Are they a sign of intelligent alien life? A type of precancel? A specific era/usage? Collectible or of interest?
(D) I'm pretty sure these are the "pre-cancels" some folks have inquired about as something they collect. I've got quite a few dozen hidden in the piles of U.S. still to sort through. I don't think this will be a collection area for me, so should I look for particular cities to offer up or just throw whatever into the wind and see who "Likes"? Other comments?
(E) I put these on a numbered "Approval Page" for easier commentary directed to specific stamps. A couple comments from me, with your rebuttals appreciated:
1. Is the technical name "cut square"? General principle presumably that large margins and clear postmark (like this) are "good"? (I realize this is probably a low value stamp - just used as an example).
3. Is the technical name "tete beche"? Does that apply to 2 different stamps together or that one is "upside down" or both? Better to keep them together (especially with such a nice cancellation) or "low CV so who cares"?
4. Is the technical name "on piece" when a stamp with a cancel is cut from an envelope? Would you agree this is probably a good example of "don't let your kids trim your stamps"? The cancel seems cool to me, but is this type of thing of interest to anyone beyond that? (I have seen some other similar cancels).
5. A perfin with "U of O". Are U.S. perfins a collectible area (I have found a handful more in a brief run-through the pile)? Any types in particular? (I'm only used to the Canadian OHMS versions which I do have in my personal collection). Unfortunately looks like the ink from the cancel ran through the perfs then got absorbed and made a bit of a blotch. Is that common/acceptable?
6. "OB" = "Official Business"? Or the private overprint of future rap star "ODB" back in the day before he added the middle name "Dirty"? Saw this on some Philippines stamps too (Huh?)
7. Is this really an imperf? I don't see any indications of a sneaky perf-trim and the paper doesn't seem like it came from a postcard or pre-stamped envelope. Not sure I've seen any others yet but are they something to look for?
8. Is this a jokey thing or something to keep? Where would you put it in a collection and how would it be labelled?
9. Is this a decent example of a "SON" cancel? Location and date are clear with the centering (to my eye) really good - maybe a 7 out of 10 SON?
10/11. Obviously more an advertisement piece than a stamp for postal usage but I think it's beautiful and I've seen some others with different colors but not sure I saw any denominations. Collectible? Common-ish? Again, how would you label and where would you place it in a collection?
(F) I'm pretty sure these must be the so-called "Revenues" I hear about. A real mixed bag and I'm totally clueless so no commentary from me beyond that. On a numbered page again for your feedback.
Many thanks comrades. I think I'll poke through some covers this week. My wife says she needs new shoes and a deposit on next year's tuition fees for our college-girl so I may have to start actually disposing of some things other than just organizing, scanning, and researching...
Cheers. Dave.
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re: From the Hoard: Some U.S. Stuff Uncovered by Popular Demand
Executive Summary: Yes, Virginia, everything is collectible.
A) Yes, chicken broth transfer stamps are collectible; beef, not so much.
C) The otherwise-empty two-concentric-ring cancels are from hand stamps in the hand of every postal clerk. Nowadays, they use markers, BTAT (But That's Another Thread).
D) Precancels are actively collected, from all countries & times:
http://www.precancels.com/ ... LEARN MORE HERE
E1) Yes, this is a cut square. Preference today is for entires.
E4) I would also call this a cut square, but that's me. Preference today is for entires.
These AIR MAIL SAVES TIME cancels are differentiated by minor differences in the design. Make a page of 'em, and smile.
E7) Heart beating faster? Sorry; one of "Farley's Folleys", to wit:
http://postalmuseum.si.edu/deliveringhope/exhibition_p2.html
E8) The "Training Stamps" are real. Got mine from Pat Herst z"l.
E12) One of a set of Cinderellas. Lovely product of ABNC, if memory serves.
F) Some are revenues.
F2) Postal notes were a Poor People's Money Order.
http://arago.si.edu/category_2036406.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_postal_notes
F23) Special Handling stamps were an upgrade for parcels.
F36) Speaking of special handling, pay attention to 'manuscript cancels'.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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re: From the Hoard: Some U.S. Stuff Uncovered by Popular Demand
let me add to C a bit: these are called 'mute cancels' and were used to cancel stamps without showing any date. Often, but not always, they included the town and state, but never the date. They were used on registered covers and third and fourth class covers to cancel the stamps but not date it. On registry, the dating occurs on the reverse; on third and fourth, no dating occurs (or shouldn't). They might also be used to cancel dues, especially in bulk. So they had a specific purpose.
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"E8) The "Training Stamps" are real."
These are not "training" stamps. These are used for testing coil stamp dispensing machines and devices.
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I wonder how 'testing' went to 'training' ... it happened a long time ago, that's for sure, because that's how I think of them ...
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Yes, they are all revenue or Back of book items. Fortunately they say exactly what they they are in print on the stamp. They all appear to be very common and not worth more than a few dollars on a good day. Since you have already decided to jump in you need to get your own Scott U.S. Specialized catalog. It shows all of the other types of stamps that are not shown in the regular cat. After that all you have to do is read what the stamp says and look it up in the index. It's more time consuming looking up B.O.B stuff than it is regular postage stamps. An old one will do just fine so look for an older cheap one on Ebay and you're ready to rock.
The first stamp in the 4th row is probably the best by far of the lot. It is Scott #211 and catalogs for $27.50. You could get around $9.00 for it if it does not have any faults
Tete beche refers to a pair of stamps where one is upright and the other upside down. They are mostly seen in France and Switzerland. See scan
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