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28 Mar 2016
06:38:07pm
Hi all,

Came across this stamp and would like some information. Other than the obvious!

The stamp on the left is the correct one, Scott #127. The stamp on the right has the omission of red.

Your thoughts about this one?

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28 Mar 2016
10:04:51pm
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My thoughts? Awesome!

I don't find it listed in any of my resources.

I like it!

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29 Mar 2016
05:29:12am
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Thanks. It's one I'm having investigated.

I was referred to search for someone that has a Bale Catalog. Anyone happen to have one in their library?

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29 Mar 2016
01:05:38pm
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Just for the heck of it I went through the 1957-1958 Israel Philatelist and could find no mention of the stamp with the missing color. I think you have a rare find. Congratulations!!!

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29 Mar 2016
03:47:15pm
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Thanks bulldog. But I sure would like more information about this error.

Another friend has asked a contact to check in Bale and he found no mention of this error, but that was from an older book.

Another friend has asked a contact at SIP for help and they haven't replied yet.

I was hoping somebody here could help me. I'm more curious as each day goes by and nothing can be found about it.

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29 Mar 2016
03:58:31pm
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I would do some testing on the normal one (water, alcohol, lighter fluid, Goo-Gone, etc) to see if the red ink might have been chemically removed.

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29 Mar 2016
04:04:06pm
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I just checked the Scott Catalog. There is a note saying (and I quote), "Any copy of #127 with red color missing is a fake and should just as well be forwarded to a Michigan sports fan." (Well, that's what it says in MY catalog.Laughing)

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29 Mar 2016
04:08:27pm
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Well both are watermarked. So I could test with lighter fluid and see what happens.

Oh my goodness, Ted you are a hoot! I almost fell for it and re-read my catalog! Too funny, you got me! almost

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29 Mar 2016
04:11:44pm
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Would I lie to you?

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29 Mar 2016
04:19:45pm
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Well I'll be, there it is ... so what's the address? LaughingRolling On The Floor LaughingSilly

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29 Mar 2016
05:26:28pm
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You can pm ME, for Ted's address. I'll be sure you get the right one.




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29 Mar 2016
07:56:44pm
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sure you will and I'll also add the bill for that bridge in Brooklyn! Applause

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29 Mar 2016
08:03:51pm
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Dang, I just knew that was gonna work! Oh well.

I really hope your stamp works out to be a prize! There couldn't have been many put into circulation.

LondonBus1 would be the first person I'd check with.


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29 Mar 2016
08:10:30pm
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Yes, I have Doe and LB1 and several different philately groups hunting information for me. Somewhere someone will recognize this and lend me some of their knowledge.

In the meantime, if anybody has any suggestions, I'm open to any thing.

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30 Mar 2016
11:09:58am
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This is so exciting! What a find, Luree!

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30 Mar 2016
02:05:58pm
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"I just checked the Scott Catalog. There is a note saying (and I quote), "Any copy of #127 with red color missing is a fake and should just as well be forwarded to a Michigan sports fan." "



Oh good, that will work out well for me! Whew

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30 Mar 2016
05:45:18pm
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This would be really neat if it is a missing colour bit it doesn't look right to me. Sad

At first sight the red text across the top is missing but if you look carefully it is still there but in the wrong colour - the same wrong colour as where the other red areas should be.

It's possible the red text was printed in red on yellow and simply the red is missing but I wee no reason for this and believe the red has faded out so we have a colour changeling.

However, I'me very happy to be proved wrong. Happy

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30 Mar 2016
06:23:46pm
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This is the best enhancement my armchair forensic skills could muster.

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I would think that a color changeling would maintain distinctly formed characters at the top. Because of the blurring of the characters, and the mottled appearance of the lamp and the museum along with the smearing at the right edge outside the museum wall, I'm staying with the chemical wash hypothesis.

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30 Mar 2016
07:12:22pm
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Hi Ted,

I had missed your note above. Yes, I agree that something has happened to the red ink. I would consider a chemical change to result in a form of "changeling".

My main point was that it doesn't appear to me to be a missing colour.




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30 Mar 2016
07:14:32pm
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"Bale lists the red omitted mint tab stamp at $220. Your looks like used no tab red omitted stamp, so would not catalogue any where near this so I would guess a cat value of $50-100 with a cash value of $15-$30.A normal used no tab has a bale cat value of $ 0.20. The ultimate value is of course what someone would offer for the stamp!""


Oh, yeah. That's what I meant to say.

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31 Mar 2016
06:28:23am
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Thanks for all the input. This is why I love this site!

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31 Mar 2016
10:50:07am
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Ha ha Ted!

I think your own analysis is pretty safe. Happy

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04 Apr 2016
04:14:35pm
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Please note that the above quote was from me and was placed on the Levant Philately study group board...many thanks for the Acknowledgement.

This is my comments in full:


There are a lot of errors of Israel stamps which I have come across over the years. For example Mosden's 1958 catalogue has 18 pages of errors. Most of these are "Fly Spec" errors eg 5mils Dor Ivri has chain variety, eve flaw, flaw above aleph ,flaw above reish, yod obliterated,etc etc and one of the most famous of the early issues is wrong descriptive tabs of the 10/15mils values, where the tab inscriptions are reversed.
Later issues have errors in phosphors especially the definitive issues, but also on a few commemerative issues.Another key set is the 12 tribes issue of 1955-56 which has a later printing when 7 of the values have no watermark.
The stamp at the start of this thread is the 1957 50th Anniversary of Bezalel Museum stamp.Bale lists the red omitted mint tab stamp at $220. Your looks like used no tab red omitted stamp, so would not catalogue any where near this so I would guess a cat value of $50-100 with a cash value of $15-$30.A normal used no tab has a bale cat value of $ 0.20. The ultimate value is of course what someone would offer for the stamp!



Has anyone bought or sold one of these stamps...if so how much ?

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I have a similar issue with the Eilat Camel stamp and have just posted on Levant board:

I have a shade variety of the 1950 Negev Camel stamp, bale 47, scott 25 which is used, no tab, light brown compared to the normal dark brown. I have been told by various dealers and experts in Israel that the sun has bleached this stamp, but I disagree as the colour is even and the condition is good. It is not listed anywhere in my books as having shades. It is only listed in Bale as having forged postmarks, usually as a FDC.Mosden in 1958 comments about minor plate varieties ,but no shades.I saw a similar shade to mine sell on ebay for about $20-$25 about 18 months/2 years ago.
Anyone checked the colour of this stamp? Or found a book that lists it?
I believe that in the early days of Israel,supplies of printing materials were not always readily available and that this resulted in some of the errors in the early stamps.

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APS #222602 and Internet Philatelic Dealers Association #439
28 Mar 2016
06:38:07pm

Hi all,

Came across this stamp and would like some information. Other than the obvious!

The stamp on the left is the correct one, Scott #127. The stamp on the right has the omission of red.

Your thoughts about this one?

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28 Mar 2016
10:04:51pm

re: Israel EFO

My thoughts? Awesome!

I don't find it listed in any of my resources.

I like it!

WB

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Thanks. It's one I'm having investigated.

I was referred to search for someone that has a Bale Catalog. Anyone happen to have one in their library?

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29 Mar 2016
01:05:38pm

re: Israel EFO

re: Israel EFO

Just for the heck of it I went through the 1957-1958 Israel Philatelist and could find no mention of the stamp with the missing color. I think you have a rare find. Congratulations!!!

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29 Mar 2016
03:47:15pm

re: Israel EFO

Thanks bulldog. But I sure would like more information about this error.

Another friend has asked a contact to check in Bale and he found no mention of this error, but that was from an older book.

Another friend has asked a contact at SIP for help and they haven't replied yet.

I was hoping somebody here could help me. I'm more curious as each day goes by and nothing can be found about it.

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29 Mar 2016
03:58:31pm

re: Israel EFO

I would do some testing on the normal one (water, alcohol, lighter fluid, Goo-Gone, etc) to see if the red ink might have been chemically removed.

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29 Mar 2016
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re: Israel EFO

I just checked the Scott Catalog. There is a note saying (and I quote), "Any copy of #127 with red color missing is a fake and should just as well be forwarded to a Michigan sports fan." (Well, that's what it says in MY catalog.Laughing)

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Well both are watermarked. So I could test with lighter fluid and see what happens.

Oh my goodness, Ted you are a hoot! I almost fell for it and re-read my catalog! Too funny, you got me! almost

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29 Mar 2016
04:11:44pm

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Would I lie to you?

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29 Mar 2016
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Well I'll be, there it is ... so what's the address? LaughingRolling On The Floor LaughingSilly

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29 Mar 2016
05:26:28pm

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You can pm ME, for Ted's address. I'll be sure you get the right one.




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29 Mar 2016
07:56:44pm

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sure you will and I'll also add the bill for that bridge in Brooklyn! Applause

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29 Mar 2016
08:03:51pm

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Dang, I just knew that was gonna work! Oh well.

I really hope your stamp works out to be a prize! There couldn't have been many put into circulation.

LondonBus1 would be the first person I'd check with.


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Yes, I have Doe and LB1 and several different philately groups hunting information for me. Somewhere someone will recognize this and lend me some of their knowledge.

In the meantime, if anybody has any suggestions, I'm open to any thing.

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30 Mar 2016
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This is so exciting! What a find, Luree!

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30 Mar 2016
02:05:58pm

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"I just checked the Scott Catalog. There is a note saying (and I quote), "Any copy of #127 with red color missing is a fake and should just as well be forwarded to a Michigan sports fan." "



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30 Mar 2016
05:45:18pm

re: Israel EFO

This would be really neat if it is a missing colour bit it doesn't look right to me. Sad

At first sight the red text across the top is missing but if you look carefully it is still there but in the wrong colour - the same wrong colour as where the other red areas should be.

It's possible the red text was printed in red on yellow and simply the red is missing but I wee no reason for this and believe the red has faded out so we have a colour changeling.

However, I'me very happy to be proved wrong. Happy

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30 Mar 2016
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This is the best enhancement my armchair forensic skills could muster.

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I would think that a color changeling would maintain distinctly formed characters at the top. Because of the blurring of the characters, and the mottled appearance of the lamp and the museum along with the smearing at the right edge outside the museum wall, I'm staying with the chemical wash hypothesis.

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30 Mar 2016
07:12:22pm

re: Israel EFO

Hi Ted,

I had missed your note above. Yes, I agree that something has happened to the red ink. I would consider a chemical change to result in a form of "changeling".

My main point was that it doesn't appear to me to be a missing colour.




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30 Mar 2016
07:14:32pm

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"Bale lists the red omitted mint tab stamp at $220. Your looks like used no tab red omitted stamp, so would not catalogue any where near this so I would guess a cat value of $50-100 with a cash value of $15-$30.A normal used no tab has a bale cat value of $ 0.20. The ultimate value is of course what someone would offer for the stamp!""


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Thanks for all the input. This is why I love this site!

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31 Mar 2016
10:50:07am

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Ha ha Ted!

I think your own analysis is pretty safe. Happy

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04 Apr 2016
04:14:35pm

re: Israel EFO

Please note that the above quote was from me and was placed on the Levant Philately study group board...many thanks for the Acknowledgement.

This is my comments in full:


There are a lot of errors of Israel stamps which I have come across over the years. For example Mosden's 1958 catalogue has 18 pages of errors. Most of these are "Fly Spec" errors eg 5mils Dor Ivri has chain variety, eve flaw, flaw above aleph ,flaw above reish, yod obliterated,etc etc and one of the most famous of the early issues is wrong descriptive tabs of the 10/15mils values, where the tab inscriptions are reversed.
Later issues have errors in phosphors especially the definitive issues, but also on a few commemerative issues.Another key set is the 12 tribes issue of 1955-56 which has a later printing when 7 of the values have no watermark.
The stamp at the start of this thread is the 1957 50th Anniversary of Bezalel Museum stamp.Bale lists the red omitted mint tab stamp at $220. Your looks like used no tab red omitted stamp, so would not catalogue any where near this so I would guess a cat value of $50-100 with a cash value of $15-$30.A normal used no tab has a bale cat value of $ 0.20. The ultimate value is of course what someone would offer for the stamp!



Has anyone bought or sold one of these stamps...if so how much ?

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04 Apr 2016
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re: Israel EFO

I have a similar issue with the Eilat Camel stamp and have just posted on Levant board:

I have a shade variety of the 1950 Negev Camel stamp, bale 47, scott 25 which is used, no tab, light brown compared to the normal dark brown. I have been told by various dealers and experts in Israel that the sun has bleached this stamp, but I disagree as the colour is even and the condition is good. It is not listed anywhere in my books as having shades. It is only listed in Bale as having forged postmarks, usually as a FDC.Mosden in 1958 comments about minor plate varieties ,but no shades.I saw a similar shade to mine sell on ebay for about $20-$25 about 18 months/2 years ago.
Anyone checked the colour of this stamp? Or found a book that lists it?
I believe that in the early days of Israel,supplies of printing materials were not always readily available and that this resulted in some of the errors in the early stamps.

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