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Winedrinker
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24 Mar 2016
10:40:04pm
Happy to have won an eBay auction this evening for K.E. Lancaster's Pictorial Stamps of Tasmania, 1899-1912, for a mere 19 us dollars. Having just started collecting Tasmania this is eventful, and the kind of thing that keeps one going in weird times.

Collecting Great Britain and Australia as well, but the colonies seem a great way to go.

Cheers,
Eric Carlson
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It's definitely a very interesting start considering the early artwork of the now defunct Colonies.

Here is a couple of Colonial stamps I have.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8f0Z-HKP8u4fjdxU1NJb3VXVnFvWmxYZmhqUGhJT01QY1poNFgyUk1iQ3BHMnY3VktkZEU

just click on any of the images and it will become full size.

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Those are handsome stamps indeed! Thank you for sharing. Wonderful.

the YouTube presentation link you provided is also much appreciated. (including the music)

As I start into the colonies, I am amazed to find to find that the Tasmanian Devil is indeed a real animal. I honestly thought it was just a cartoon creation. A sobering realization of my own ignorance.

Cheers,
Eric

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This is my favorite QV design type. I'm working on the Nova Scotia set.

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"Happy to have won an eBay auction this evening for K.E. Lancaster's Pictorial Stamps of Tasmania"


That was a good lot of stamps.

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Winedrinker
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Just realized my post may have indicated I won an auction for the pictorial stamps of Tasmania, when in fact I purchased K.E. Lancaster's book about the stamps. The stamps come next, though I do possess a few already. Indeed, 19 dollars for all the stamps would be quite the bargain. Winking

Have been reading up on Tasmania and it has a remarkable history, geography, and fauna. These stamps show off the landscapes to great effect.

Cheers!
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"Those are handsome stamps indeed! Thank you for sharing. Wonderful.

the YouTube presentation link you provided is also much appreciated. (including the music)

As I start into the colonies, I am amazed to find to find that the Tasmanian Devil is indeed a real animal. I honestly thought it was just a cartoon creation. A sobering realization of my own ignorance.

Cheers,
Eric"



Thanks for the compliment Eric; starting into the Colonies can be quite interesting. Did you know that although the colonies were dissolved and became states of the Commonwealth in 1901, Australia still issued Colonial stamps until January 1913 when the Commonwealth issued its first stamp with 'AUSTRALIA'.

That year we formed our first Commonwealth Navy, Air Force and Army (the militia was finally abolished). A slow lot we were.

And yes we still do have the Tasmanian Devil (looks quite different to the cartoon version). My late father was born in Tasmania in 1913 and he lived very close to the bush when he was growing up; every night he would hear the noisy Tasmanian Devils (they're nocturnal).

It wasn't uncommon for night bush walkers to be bitten by one if you got too close to their nests; unfortunately they are on the edge of extinction. There was also the extinct Tasmanian Tiger (thylacine), they were still running about when he was a child.

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"This is my favorite QV design type. I'm working on the Nova Scotia set.

Ted"



I've seen the QV Nova Scotia stamps you are referring to, they are very much the same in design. A worthwhile project.
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"Did you know that although the colonies were dissolved and became states of the Commonwealth in 1901, Australia still issued Colonial stamps until January 1913 when the Commonwealth issued its first stamp with 'AUSTRALIA'."

Rob, that's what got me interested in collecting Australian States. Purchased an album for Australia where, of course, the stamps start in the year 1913. This confused me at first as it seemed jusssst a bit late in the game to start issuing stamps. Finally got it all sorted out. And yes, it is very interesting that from Jan 1, 1901 to 1913 they kept going with the old system. I guess if it aint broke, don't fix it.

Yesterday looked at some pictures of Tasmanian Devils and the Tasmanian Tiger. The Tiger looked absolutely brilliant. What a shame it got killed off. I blame it on the Dutch East India Company.

Appreciate the info,
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Rob1956
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There is very little said about the 12 year delay, but what I did find out the 12-year delay was blamed on the continuous changes in government's official positions, which included the postmaster general.

Additionally, the effort of working toward keeping State revenues apart from Federal revenues proved to be time-consuming, and delayed many things, among which were postage stamps.

Colonial stamps is where the real history of Australia begins. Stamps were first introduced to New South Wales in 1850, Victoria in 1850, Tasmania in 1853, Western Australia in 1854, South Australia in 1855 and Queensland in 1860.

The colonisation of Australia occurred a mere 62 years prior to the introduction of the gummed stamp

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01 Apr 2016
09:05:31pm
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Collecting the various stamps of the Australian Colonies after 1 January, 1901 but before the issue of the kangaroo stamps in 1913 is an interesting and challenging field.

The various types are well identified in the SG catalogues. I use the 'Commonwealth and Empire Stamps' volume as my starting reference.

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" The Tiger looked absolutely brilliant. What a shame it got killed off."



There were state bounties on their heads.
http://www.australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/tasmanian-tiger



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The thylacine would have to be my favourite animal of all time. My great, great, great grandfather was sent to Van Diemen's Land in 1842 as a convict. I often wonder if he saw a live one. He probably did. The link below shows all the known historical video footage of the Tassie Tiger. Enjoy with a tinch of sadness.

http://www.naturalworlds.org/thylacine/captivity/films/films.htm

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Thanks for the latest info Dami and Oldmanemu. Just purchased a much-acclaimed book about the early years of Australia, The Fatal Shore, which I am looking forward to reading.

My Tasmania avatar (Tasmania Coat of Arms) features two thylacine supports. They live on.

Eric


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The Fatal Shore — excellent book!

A great, newly published companion to Fatal Shore, a biography of Thomas Francis Meagre: The Immortal Irishman: The Irish Revolutionary Who Became an American Hero.

I have rarely, maybe never, read such engaging history. I really don't like putting it down! (Well, my wife puts it down — she's reading it to us every evening.) Author Thomas Egan provides fascinating detail about the Irish potato famines (I'm going to cancel my English heritage), the penal colonies of Van Diemen's Land/Tasmania, the American Civil War, and more.

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From the Amazon.ca blurb:

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"The Irish-American story, with all its twists and triumphs, is told through the improbable life of one man. A dashing young orator during the Great Famine of the 1840s, in which a million of his Irish countrymen died, Thomas Francis Meagher led a failed uprising against British rule, for which he was banished to a Tasmanian prison colony. He escaped and six months later was heralded in the streets of New York — the revolutionary hero, back from the dead, at the dawn of the great Irish immigration to America."


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Oldmanemu
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The story of the "Catalpa" and the escape of Irish Fenians from Australia to the United States has a very strong similarity to the theme of the book that you mentioned. This time it was Western Australia, rather than Tasmania. Nearly resulted in an act of war by the colonial governor of Western Australia against the US.

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Winedrinker
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Bob and Oldmanemu (and what a great name that is). I just finished reading about the poor response England had to the Irish Potato Famine in A History of Britain in Thirty-Six Postage Stamps by Chris West (See Chapter 3, The Horror). More ineptitude than evil, but those two traits can be indistinguishable if you are on the receiving end.

Ok, I may have to put The Immortal Irishman on my list of books to read. Despite recently swearing to only spend money on stamps & my wife (not necessarily in that order if my wife is reading).

Never heard of the Catalpa, so going to look at that. Escaping from Australia to US seems like a mighty bound indeed.

Eric

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England didn't so much respond to the Irish potato famines as create them.

Irish families were first booted off their land for a variety of reasons (being Catholic, among them), and had to rent land at exorbitant prices from English landlords. If Irish couldn't pay the rent, they were thrown in debtors' prisons.

Potatoes at first were a godsend for people who otherwise couldn't produce sufficient food on small plots of land. When the potato crops failed (almost a 100% kill-off in one season, before they could be harvested), the Irish had nothing left to fall back on. Similar crop failures followed over the next several years. Entire villages starved to death; there were so many deaths that not enough coffins could be made for burials. And it was all so completely unnecessary!

Throughout the famines, Ireland's English overlords exported huge amounts to food to England and other countries; none of that food went to the Irish, who of course provided the labour for the commercial estates.

England briefly attempted a food program, but it was a bad joke: an ounce of beef, a few scruffy vegetables, and a quart of water a day per person in filthy buildings that were little better than cowsheds, which was better than they deserved according to various English members of Parliament. The MP who was in charge of the food program was knighted by Queen Victoria for his "efforts".

Irishmen who protested the English occupation of Ireland, like Meagre, were tried in courts with English judges and juries, then usually imprisoned, or hanged, drawn, and quartered, or transported to the Caribbean, Australia, or Van Diemen's Land, which of course could be a death sentence.

It's hard for me to characterize England's actions as anything but genocide, much like Russia's treatment of Jews during the pogroms and America's persecution of Native Americans. And I'm not even Irish! My ancestors are all English as far as I know, but one of my grandfathers, David Ingraham, fought the English in the American Revolution. That's at least one thing to be proud of!

In my Second World War postal history collection, I have several covers similar to this one…

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…and I don't know much about them. I discovered them when I was working on my first exhibit, concerning Britain's wartime economy. Food shortages, of course, were a serious problem in the UK and, apparently, in Ireland, although I haven't been able to learn much about that. The slogan cancel — "GROW MORE WHEAT" — certainly indicates that much the same thing was happening in Ireland. If anyone knows about this, I'd appreciate knowing what you know!

Bob








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Winedrinker
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05 Apr 2016
12:49:59pm
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Outstanding synopsis of the situation.
When I mentioned England's "response," I was referring mainly to Prime Minister Robert Peel's response to the news of the potato blight breaking out. It was a poor response indeed -- trying to raise money via Public Works (roads to nowhere) it was never going to be enough. Maize was imported from America -- didn't work as it was in raw form and processing it was too complex. (In addition to the "solutions" you mention._

Peel was replaced by Lord John Russell, and things got much worse. A common belief then was that "God had ordained" the troubles of the Irish.

And so it goes.
Cheers,
Eric

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Quote "Oldmanemu (and what a great name that is)"

The name is based on a well known Australian song. Here's a link to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYjrhj_K3ck

Cheers, Stephen

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Winedrinker
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Stephen,
I followed the link you sent and it sent me to the song. This song is a hell of a lot of fun. I am betting not too many folks can sing it because I don't recall ever hearing so many bells and whistles and odd sounds coming from one person before. Very entertaining, and the crowd seemed quite mad about it. Thanks.

Eric

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langtounlad
06 Apr 2016
06:04:34pm
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Old Man Emu

This link has a translation for those who do not understand Strine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCHLjIysVSg&nohtml5=False

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Hello everyone

I'm reviving this thread to ask a very simple question about the Tasmanian picture stamps of 1899. I've just found them in my old Gibbons and I see that the first issue was engraved and recess printed. I'd like to get some or all of these to add to my collection of engraved stamps.

The question is - what are the Scott numbers for the first 1899 issue of 8? They're SG 229 - 236, but as I'd like to take a look at Stamps2Go, I need the Scott numbers. There were multiple printings, some litho and some typo, but as far as I can see, only the very first issue was recess printed.

A recent Stamps article told me the engraver was Leonard Vincent Phillips, who went on to engrave several other British Commonwealth issues as well as the Marianne de Dulac issue of 1944.

Thanks in advance!

Neville

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snowy12
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03:42:30am

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Scott's numbers for the pictorial stamps of1899/1900 are Sc 86/93 W/M 78 Engraved,1902/1003 litho W/M 70 numbers are Sc 94/98. W/M 78 is mulitple TAS and W/M 70 is V over crown.
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08 Aug 2018
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A handy tip for all. Stamps postmarked before Christmas 1899 are very scarce. If you see one, grab it

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There is more ,I didn;t look properly they were also issued in 1905/1908 with compond perfs W/M 13 Sc # 102/111 typo printing and 3 more in 1911 114/116 just says 'Redrawn'
W/M 13 is crown over double line A.
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These stamps are mint unhinged. There is also two types of "Specimen" overprints. The large font and small font, both are much scarcer than the above and seldom seen on the market. I have been trying to locate a complete set of either for the past 6 years but to no avail.

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Winedrinker
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08 Aug 2018
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These are the final versions of the pictorials that Snowy mentioned. 1911-1912. #114 - #117

#114 -- Typo
#115 -- Litho
#116 -- Typo
#117 -- Typo

It is quite clear the quality degraded from the 1899/1900 engraved stamps! There is a story there, about trying to save money, that I will relate tomorrow. Out of time at moment lol.

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Horamakhet
08 Aug 2018
10:58:57pm
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Hi to all,
The Tasmanian Pictorials are indeed a very exciting area to base a collection on.
There are so many colour variations and printings, it is dazzling.

There are many scarce and rare postmarks as well to collect.

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Horamakhet

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Rob1956
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Hi Winedrinker

I'll be interested to here that story.

Rob

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The Pictorial Stamps of Tasmania 1899 - 1912, by K.E. Lancaster is a great source of information.

The 1899 - 1900 Engraved Pictorials (depicted in Rob's post) were printed in London by De La Rue & Co.

The federation of the Australian States in 1901 would change the status quo, as there was a requirement to have the stamps printed in Australia. The steel plates were sent to the Victorian Government Printing Office in Melbourne where it was determined there was no suitable printing press capable of using the plates directly. Hence the following printings over the years using Lithographed, Typographed, Electrotype, and Stereotype methods. The decline in quality is noticeable

In 1911 the Commonwealth Stamp Printing Branch would print the final pictorials. And, of course, in 1913, Australian stamps proper arrived in the form of Kangaroos on Maps, and soon after other fantastical beasts, including KGV.

And I just realized that I don't have the 1912 SG 261 or SG 262, which are not even listed in the Scott Catalogue. The 1d and the 3d on thin ready gummed paper. Back to the drawing board.

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Hi Horamakhet

There are a few variations connected to the 1899-1900 Tasmanian Pictorials. The main stamp with numerous varieties is the 1912 1d overprint in red of the 2d Hobart stamp.

I have a block of 4 with multiple varieties.

And there are a few postmarks that are quite scarce, but to collect all the postmarks would be of great philatelic interest.

It seems you have recovered well.

Rob

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Hi Winedrinker

Excellent piece of Aussie history, I didn't even know there were thin papers of the 1d and 3d, I'll have to look around to see if I can find any. The thin paper from any era is always hard to locate.

Rob

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I have one very nice SON cancel on the 2d Cape Barren Island ,I don't know if it is a scarce cancel or not but still very nice.
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Hi Brian.

Nice full cancel from Cape Barren island. Here is a little piece of trivia.

Cape Barren Island, part of the Furneaux Group, is a 478-square-kilometre island in the Bass Strait, off the north east coast of Tasmania, Australia. The population of Cape Barren Island from the 2014 census is 67.


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The Cape Barren Island CDS is rated 4 on a scale of 20. The number '20' being the rarest. On another scale, it rates as "scarce minus", which is just above common.
Notes about the Cape Barren Island Post Office.
"Raised to P.O. from Receiving House on 1.4.1901.
Early Date 10.7.1901"

The date on your stamp appears earlier (Jan 2nd, 1901) ??
(I wonder if the zero and one plugs were reversed on the year and it should be 1910).

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I have in my collection these stamps of Tasmania with cancels.

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langtounlad
10 Aug 2018
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snowy12

The watermark should help - can you post a scan of rear.

Regards
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Hi
I have just checked the W/M it is 78 Multiple TAS.I did scan the reverse but still couldn't make out the W/M ,so I used a few drops of acetone and it came up really clear .
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langtounlad
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snowy12

The TAS watermark confirms that this is a State issue and not Commonwealth.

The Guide to Circular Datestamps on the Tasmanian Pictorial Issues by John Hardinge (which is probably where Oldmanemu was quoting from) does not appear to distinguish between State or Commonwealth issue in relation to rarity.

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All Tasmanian Pictorials are Colonial (State) issue, though it was most likely they were still being issued alongside the Commonwealth stamps for a little while. Commonwealth stamps were first issued in 1913 when the Kangaroo and Map was introduced.

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Just for clarity, the last few printings of a couple of states stamps was in 1913, but they were identifiable printings, not new issues.

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Horamakhet
11 Aug 2018
09:16:26pm
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Hi Rob and all others

Every time some-one mentions a new area, like Tasmania, it distracts me, so I search through the collections to see where they are stored. (Nice distractions though)
It helps breaks the monotony of continuously looking at the same area.

I found some more blocks with printers imprints on them as well, as soon as they arrive I will put them on the forum. ( see what you have done to me Rob lol)

Yes I have recovered from the Heart Surgery and it is back to work next week.


While recuperating, I have been trying to sort out various pre-decimal Australian stamps, and am just putting them into stock books.

I am working on the watermarked animal definitives. So far have sorted into a stock book, the 4d Koala, halfpenny wallaroo, 5d mauve sheep, two shilling crocodile, 9d platypus, large 6d kookaburra, small 6d kookaburra, small one shilling lyrebird,five pence halfpenny emu, till lots to do.

Rob I have noticed that there are so many colour variations with the Emu. Lots more to sort, so this week I will be busy.

Once the sorting is done, then I can look for varieties.
Rob, I was going to buy a set of the ACSC pre decimals, but I will wait now till the new editions come out.

Has any one noticed how expensive good stock books are. I tend to buy second hand ones at the moment when ever I see them in opp shops.
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langtounlad
11 Aug 2018
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The Commonwealth of Australia came into existence on 1 January 1901. Under Section 51(v) of the Constitution Act all powers over "postal, telegraphic, telephonic, and like services" passed to the Commonwealth and the colonial acts governing these services ceased to exist. All property including post offices and stocks of stamps of the various colonial mail services were vested in the Post Master General's Department of the Commonwealth.

Although State printers continued to produce stamps these were printed only at the request of the Post Master General. Technically speaking the States never produced postage stamps.

Printing of Tasmanian stamps ceased to be controlled by the Tasmanian Goverment Printer in Hobart, the pictorial plates being transferred in 1901 from De La Rue in London to the Victorian Government printer for subsequent printings on behalf of the Commonwealth. From 1902 the pictorials were printed in Melbourne at the request of the Commonwealth.

The 1d and 2d were the first pictorials printed for the Commonwealth in late 1902.

All of this can be found in the ACSC Kangaroos and the Early Federal Period 1901 - 1912 Catalogue of 2004. You should also read Rosenblum's The Stamps of the Commonwealth of Australia (I have the 1966 edition).

And the first stamp of the Commonwealth is not the Kangaroo and Map - it was the first Commonwealth postage stamp. The Commonwealth's first stamp issue was the Postage Due of 1902. The first printed by Cooke as Commonwealth Stamp Printer was the Postage due of 1909.

However in practical terms it can be difficult to determine which individual stamps are Commonwealth and those that are State. ACSC for practical reasons chose a different approach for each state and that is why the serious collector needs a copy of Kangaroos 2004 (unfortunately out of print).

As the Commonwealth never used the paper watermarked TAS this is the easiest way to identify which pictorials are Tasmanian issue.

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Below are Postage Dues issued in 1902 & 1909 (currently not part of my collection)

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As the Kangaroo and Map was the first commercial stamp issued by the Commonwealth, I believe it was appropriate to mention only the commercial issue. So to say that after the State issues the Kangaroo and Map was introduced is correct.

The Postage Due stamp was not a definitive, the Tasmanian stamps were, and although the printing of State stamps ceased at the introduction of Commonwealth stamps, State stamps already in stock would have been used as well until such time the Post Office thought otherwise.

Even though it is true that from 1902 onwards the Commonwealth issued the Pictorials, they are still referred to as Colonial Stamps, many stamps of Queen Victoria were still being printed from 1902-1912, but they are still referred to as Colonials.

It was in March 1909 that the Victorian Government Printing Office became the Commonwealth Stamp Printing Branch, and in 1912 the Commonwealth Stamp Printing Branch in Melbourne printed the 1d over 2d Hobart stamp of Tasmania, but as neither Branch were issuing commercial stamps until 1913, the Tasmanian Pictorials produced until then were officially Colonials.

Postage Dues are not part of the definitive production used by the common folk, It was not necessary to include them when discussing the commercially printed Pictorials.

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12 Aug 2018
02:32:51am
re: Pictorial Stamps of Tasmania

Quote:

"I found some more blocks with printers imprints on them as well, as soon as they arrive I will put them on the forum. ( see what you have done to me Rob lol)"


Hi Horamakhet

I'm guilty and proud of it. Stock books are quite expensive, I have a stock book you can have, it’s relatively new (about 6 months old), have no idea why I bought it, never use them (PM me if you want it, I’ll need your mail forwarding address).

Yes there are a few various shades, there are currently 4 recorded shades of the emu and if one is lucky, one may have a newly discovered shade. The shades currently recorded by the ACSC are:-

1. Slate-Blue
2. Deep Grey-Blue
3. Deep Dull Blue
4. Deep Blue

The most common shade is the Slate-Blue, I have one also in very thin paper, which gives the appearance of a deep dull blue, the result of ink saturation on thin paper, it is very scarce and currently unlisted, hopefully it will be in the new book coming out after showing it to Geoff Kellow the editor to the ACSC at the ACCC (Australian Commonwealth Collectors Club).

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Normal on the left, very thin paper on the right

Looking forward to seeing the forthcoming imprints.

Will be doing a little more research on the Tasmanian Pictorials and still on the hunt for both Specimen sets.

Rob



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12 Aug 2018
04:22:52am
re: Pictorial Stamps of Tasmania

The following link is a useful site for Tasmanian stamps. There is information about specimen stamps and you can also upload images of stamps regarding earliest use.

http://www.tps.org.au/bb


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langtounlad
12 Aug 2018
04:48:42am
re: Pictorial Stamps of Tasmania

My ACSC does not refer to printings from 1902 onward as "Colonials" - the description is Early Federal period. It seems that you are not aware of the Early Federal period catalogue.

And for the record - the Victorian Government Printing Office did not become the Commonwealth Stamp Printing branch. The Victorian Government Printing office still exists today as an entity of the Victorian Government. It was only the stamp printing function which transferred.

And the 1912 printing by Cooke was only a printing of the surcharge. The actual stamps used were a mixture of stamps withdrawn from Hobart GPO and stocks held by the Commonwealth Stamp printer from his pictorial printing of 1910 (commercial issue by Cooke?).



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Frank

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Rob1956
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12 Aug 2018
09:18:05am
re: Pictorial Stamps of Tasmania

It’s not the ACSC that has the information regarding the Victorian Government Printing Office, it’s in the Stanley Gibbons Australia 10th Edition 2016; page 33 (Australia/Tasmania).

It says: -

PRINTER. The Victoria Govt Ptg Office became the Commonwealth Stamp Printing Branch in March 1909.

I’m very familiar with the term “Early Federal Period”, and it is true that anything made during the birth of Federation would come under the Commonwealth, but, as it stands, in the SG catalogue any Australian stamps issued prior to 1913 are listed in the Pre-Federation section.

And regardless as to the involvement of any Commonwealth stamp printer from 1902-1912, no official Commonwealth stamp was issued prior to 1913, all stamps issued before 1913 come under State stamps, and this includes Van Diemens Land.


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09:23:25am
re: Pictorial Stamps of Tasmania

Hi Oldmanemu

That is a very good forum, I'll be registering with that forum very soon.

Rob

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re: Pictorial Stamps of Tasmania

I have been a collector of Australian KGV varieties for many years, however over the past few years I have found many of the bulk lots sold both through Auction Houses and E Bay have been pretty well picked over. As a keen ‘fly specker’ I found it very frustrating!

I briefly looked at UK Machins but soon became bored! Having several hundred Tasmanian Pictorials stashed away I started looking at them and found a number of flaws, purchasing the book by Keith Lancaster got me started but the lack of illustrations made it hard to plate individual flaws.

Fortunately bulk lots of the 1d and 2d issues that had been checked for postmarks are available not infrequently through auction houses and E Bay. I have also managed to pick up full sheets of the ½d and 1d electrotype and 2d stereo printings to help. My avatar is a plate 1 #1 volcano retouch which I found in a bulk lot cv $150+/-.

Currently free plating guides are available for the 1d and 2d electrotype and 2d stereotype, I have placed a link to these in the resources section.

The ½d electrotype is nearing completion, should be available in a few months.

My other current project is plating the 28 plates of the 2d lithograph printings, a daunting project! I am fortunate to have the assistance of an American collector.

The key difference between the lithotype and electrotype is shown below.

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Starting with the crown over A plates 23 to 28, from a possible 360 positions we have managed to plate 126 and have 204 UCV’s (unlocated constant varieties). The key problem is a lack of blocks and pairs available. The V over Crown plates have a similar number of UCV's.

If anyone can help by providing scans of pairs or blocks (1200 dpi minimum) please contact me!

Richard

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