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Canada/Covers & Postmarks : roller cancel or bar cancel

 

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2010ccg

12 Mar 2016
07:27:06am
I have several examples of roller cancellations but I have a question
Does a bar cancel have a city name on the cancel in the midst of the bars?I`m thinking the bar cancels I found in an auction are not bar cancels......Any help will be appreciated
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12 Mar 2016
08:22:42am
re: roller cancel or bar cancel

Without an image to look at, I'd guess you're talking about a precancel. Take a visit to the Precancel Stamp Society.

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2010ccg

12 Mar 2016
08:29:09am
re: roller cancel or bar cancel

No not a precancel...I wish I could send an image but my scanner is on the fritz! Sorry
Looks like to me that there were no bar cancels except on precancels and perhaps a few early FDCs Am I correct?

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2010ccg

12 Mar 2016
01:16:44pm
re: roller cancel or bar cancel

No Canada bar cancels only USA...???

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12 Mar 2016
07:31:07pm
re: roller cancel or bar cancel

Sure you're not thinking of a "box cancel"? They are often confused as pre-cancels, but they are not.

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2010ccg

12 Mar 2016
08:06:11pm
re: roller cancel or bar cancel

OK I shall check out the box cancels and see what I can find There were Doane cancels used in the US and I wondered if they were used here in Canada....Thanks

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12 Mar 2016
08:48:39pm
re: roller cancel or bar cancel

Can you perhaps locate an image of just what it is that you are asking about on the internet somewhere and upload it here so we can see what it is you are trying to describe ?

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12 Mar 2016
10:26:14pm
re: roller cancel or bar cancel

Cheryl,

The basic problem people are having with your description is that "bar cancel" is not a generally recognized description in the field of cancels (at least not one I am familiar with), so it does not immediately bring to mind a specific pattern.

Doanes were not used in Canada, but a number of different patterns of duplex cancels have been used. The killer portion of these cancels might fit what your are describing as "bar cancels".

Here are some samples (all these have come out of my "sold" database from Buckacover.com, but there are many covers with similar cancels currently available):

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2010ccg

13 Mar 2016
08:26:35am
re: roller cancel or bar cancel

Roy thankyou..
I am glad to hear you verify that Doane cancels were not used in Canada The
3rd envelope(Tillson) that you posted is cancelled in the manner of the one I was hoping to acquire It should arrive later this week....Without the envelope the cancel was difficult to distinguish from a roller cancel So this would be a type of Duplex cancel Thankyou Roy I appreciate all the help.
I have a nice collection of cancellations and have been attempting to arrange them in some type of order of issue. The website of Canada postmarks (Admiral Stamps of Canada) mentions Bar cancels but had the term Duplex been used I might have understood the term
Most of the samples that I have include both a type of duplex and split ring cancel together.
I believe that the Box Cancel mentioned occurs much later and is still in use in local Post Offices...
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2010ccg

12 Mar 2016
07:27:06am

I have several examples of roller cancellations but I have a question
Does a bar cancel have a city name on the cancel in the midst of the bars?I`m thinking the bar cancels I found in an auction are not bar cancels......Any help will be appreciated

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12 Mar 2016
08:22:42am

re: roller cancel or bar cancel

Without an image to look at, I'd guess you're talking about a precancel. Take a visit to the Precancel Stamp Society.

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2010ccg

12 Mar 2016
08:29:09am

re: roller cancel or bar cancel

No not a precancel...I wish I could send an image but my scanner is on the fritz! Sorry
Looks like to me that there were no bar cancels except on precancels and perhaps a few early FDCs Am I correct?

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2010ccg

12 Mar 2016
01:16:44pm

re: roller cancel or bar cancel

No Canada bar cancels only USA...???

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12 Mar 2016
07:31:07pm

re: roller cancel or bar cancel

Sure you're not thinking of a "box cancel"? They are often confused as pre-cancels, but they are not.

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2010ccg

12 Mar 2016
08:06:11pm

re: roller cancel or bar cancel

OK I shall check out the box cancels and see what I can find There were Doane cancels used in the US and I wondered if they were used here in Canada....Thanks

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Webpaper

In loving memory of Carol, my wife for 52 years.

12 Mar 2016
08:48:39pm

re: roller cancel or bar cancel

Can you perhaps locate an image of just what it is that you are asking about on the internet somewhere and upload it here so we can see what it is you are trying to describe ?

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BuckaCover.com - 80,000 covers priced 60c to $1.50 - Easy browsing 500 categories
12 Mar 2016
10:26:14pm

re: roller cancel or bar cancel

Cheryl,

The basic problem people are having with your description is that "bar cancel" is not a generally recognized description in the field of cancels (at least not one I am familiar with), so it does not immediately bring to mind a specific pattern.

Doanes were not used in Canada, but a number of different patterns of duplex cancels have been used. The killer portion of these cancels might fit what your are describing as "bar cancels".

Here are some samples (all these have come out of my "sold" database from Buckacover.com, but there are many covers with similar cancels currently available):

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Roy

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2010ccg

13 Mar 2016
08:26:35am

re: roller cancel or bar cancel

Roy thankyou..
I am glad to hear you verify that Doane cancels were not used in Canada The
3rd envelope(Tillson) that you posted is cancelled in the manner of the one I was hoping to acquire It should arrive later this week....Without the envelope the cancel was difficult to distinguish from a roller cancel So this would be a type of Duplex cancel Thankyou Roy I appreciate all the help.
I have a nice collection of cancellations and have been attempting to arrange them in some type of order of issue. The website of Canada postmarks (Admiral Stamps of Canada) mentions Bar cancels but had the term Duplex been used I might have understood the term
Most of the samples that I have include both a type of duplex and split ring cancel together.
I believe that the Box Cancel mentioned occurs much later and is still in use in local Post Offices...
CherylThumbs Up

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