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General Philatelic/Newcomer Cnr : 1213

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carabop
28 Feb 2016
01:09:36am
Is there a different Scott number for the zip code booklet of this stamp?
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khj
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28 Feb 2016
02:24:19am
re: 1213

BOOKLET PANES:
Scott only assigns a single catalog number for all 3 types of booklet panes, because the stamps are still all the same, only the label has a different slogan. The booklet pane of 5 with one label is #1213a.

Scott does price each of the label slogans separately, but it is still all the same catalog number.

Slogan 1: YOUR MAILMAN DESERVES YOUR - HELP - KEEP HARMFUL OBJECTS OUT OF YOUR LETTERS
Slogan 2: ADD ZIP TO YOUR MAIL
USE
ZONE NUMBERS FOR ZIP CODE
Slogan 3: ADD ZIP TO YOUR MAIL
ALWAYS USE ZIP CODE

Tagged booklet panes are #1213c, and exist for Slogans 2 & 3.


BOOKLETS:
However, Scott does assign different catalog numbers for the booklets:

#BK110, $1 booklet with Slogan 1 (postrider booklet cover)
#BK111, $1 booklet with Slogan 2 (postrider booklet cover)
#BK112, $1 booklet with Slogan 2 (Mr. Zip booklet cover)
#BK113, $1 booklet with Slogan 3 (Mr. Zip booklet cover)
Note that #BK113 has 3 different minor varieties for the cover, but Scott does not assign a separate booklet number. For that, you need the Furman catalog.

For booklet with tagged stamps:

#BK114, $1 booklet with Slogan 2 (postrider booklet cover), tagged stamps
#BK115, $1 booklet with Slogan 2 (Mr. Zip booklet cover), tagged stamps
Note that #BK115 has 4 different minor varieties for the cover, but Scott does not assign a separate booklet number. Again, you need the Furman catalog.

If you need to ID your booklet according to the Furman catalog for minor varieties of #BK113 or #BK115, let me know.

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malcolm197
15 Mar 2016
09:25:14pm
re: 1213

What is Scott 1213 please?

Note that we are not all in the USA or have even seen let alone possess a Scott catalogue.A brief description ( or better still an image) with date and country of issue would help.

I probably don't have any copies of this stamp but would like to archive this article for when I have.

Please don't take this as a personal criticism - it happens all the time, and not just with US collectors with Scott - German collectors do the same with Michel,Brits with SG, Scandinavians with Facit etc etc.

The wonder of the internet is that you have a worldwide "market" for your question - however you have to make it a bit easier for us to consider it !

And remember that other people may be interested in the answer to your question, even if they have not asked it yet. You can be the instigator of new philatelic knowledge for many people.

Malcolm

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seanpashby
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15 Mar 2016
09:47:22pm
re: 1213

This is the booklet pane they are talking about. There are 3 different slogans that can appear in the upper left spot. Two of them are common, while a third one is much more valuable.

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malcolm197
15 Mar 2016
10:05:20pm
re: 1213

Thank you for that. No I don't have that. Is there any value in a used horizontal pair of the top stamp plus label. I do not have one but one might turn up in old kiloware or an old collection. There would be nil value in the UK, but I don't know about the US ( or as a trade ?)

Malcolm

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seanpashby
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15 Mar 2016
10:14:03pm
re: 1213

Since I don't collect used stamps, I can't answer for sure, but I imagine the booklet pair would be more collectable than a booklet single, especially since there are five different varieties, and two of them are very rare. I would also guess that entire booklet panes that are postally used are extremely rare.

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khj
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16 Mar 2016
12:11:26am
re: 1213

Sorry, Malcolm. My bad. Normally I will put the date of issue next to the Scott number in my replies. But since I was listing the booklets instead of the single stamp or booklet panes, I did not do so.

I also admit that I was too lazy to pull out and scan my booklet panes, opting to type out the label descriptions instead.

Thanks Sean, for posting a picture example of the booklet pane.

Although there are active collectors, there isn't much demand for postally used examples of either pairs or complete booklet panes. And there are even fewer collectors of selvedge/labels/tabs... Most of us just simply keep the postally used pairs/booklets when they happen to be in a lot, rather than make an effort to go buy a specific one. But I obviously cannot speak for all collectors. Just saying the demand often isn't significant.

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carabop
17 Mar 2016
12:16:38am
re: 1213

Thank you all for the picture and information sorry I didn't clarify the stamp in better detail when I made the post. I know what you mean about catalogs I get lost when WW collectors are talking about Michel or SG or some other that they use. I am glad you pointed that out so at least I can try to put more detail and not leave people wondering what stamp(s) I might be talking about. Helpful information for me anyway.

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malcolm197
21 Mar 2016
02:30:30pm
re: 1213

As I said I wasn't being critical, and in this case it probably wasn't terribly important as a common stamp booklet pane is probably not of great interest to the majority - or most of us are not knowledgeable enough to comment - but items of a more "meaty" nature are a different kettle of fish if I can mix my catering metaphors.

Also it should be pointed out that different catalogues have different levels of detail for different countries - and some publishers "specialised" catalogues are not much better than other publishers simplified.

SG is supposed to the bees knees for British Commonwealth - however for King George VI issues you really need "Murray Payne" etc etc etc.

The membership here collectively probably has access to quite a high percentage of the available reference material, so a correctly put question should elicit all the information you want ( plus probably quite a lot that you don't want !!)

Malcolm

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