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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : How does this happen?

 

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Oldmanemu

24 Feb 2016
06:35:52am
I received a package in the mail today (Australia) and noticed some interesting things on the package. The first was a red notice indicating that the postage was underpaid. It should have been $15.85. The additional postage was paid by the seller. Only $11.42 of stamps was on the package.

The stamps haven't been postmarked (recently). In particular, the $10 stamp has an old post mark on it and is "not tied to the cover" as some might say. I find it strange that some postal clerk(s) has picked up that the package does not have enough postage but at the same time has missed the previously used $10 stamp that is half stuck to the cover. No wonder Australia Post is losing money. Can anyone tell me how many postal clerks would have handled aspects of the postage payment for this item?

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24 Feb 2016
11:10:28am
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what a wonderful piece of postal history.

pity the stamps have been cut off from the envelope

very nice "due" marking

it is not unusual for stamps on flats and packages to get through without being cancelled; i see it far more than on regular first class mail. And it is not unusual for clerks to miss that one of the stamps was already used, even though they noticed that it was underfranked. Of course, unless you're the one who paid the difference, there is not way of knowing if the difference was $3.43 or $13.43.

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24 Feb 2016
02:39:11pm
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It could be that no one handled the piece except for the clerk who updated the postage.
If it was put in a drop box then a machine would probably have spotted the under franking and possibly the cancelled stamp. At which point it would probably have been kicked out for a clerk to correct the mistake(s) It would of course depend on what kind of equipment they were using and if the same machine was checking franking and previously cancelled stamps at the same time. Whatever happened I would find it hard to believe that they would miss the cancelled $10 stamp. I would think David is correct that the underpayment was $13.43 and that the clerk tried to remove the stamp at the left side but gave up.
It may be the sender got in a bit of trouble for trying to pass the stamp off.









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Oldmanemu

24 Feb 2016
06:06:37pm
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Those two explanations make a lot of sense. I only noticed the "anomaly"after cutting the stamps off. I also checked another package from the same seller and it also appears to have previously used stamps on it. However, this time it got through without any problems.

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24 Feb 2016
07:39:49pm
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I wouldn't be buying from a seller who tries to pass off used stamps. Dishonesty never is one thing, it's a way of life!

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24 Feb 2016
10:39:19pm
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An excellent point, Tom.

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Oldmanemu

25 Feb 2016
01:43:35am
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Yes Tom and Charlie, it is an excellent point. At least he was caught out to some extent this time.

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Oldmanemu

24 Feb 2016
06:35:52am

I received a package in the mail today (Australia) and noticed some interesting things on the package. The first was a red notice indicating that the postage was underpaid. It should have been $15.85. The additional postage was paid by the seller. Only $11.42 of stamps was on the package.

The stamps haven't been postmarked (recently). In particular, the $10 stamp has an old post mark on it and is "not tied to the cover" as some might say. I find it strange that some postal clerk(s) has picked up that the package does not have enough postage but at the same time has missed the previously used $10 stamp that is half stuck to the cover. No wonder Australia Post is losing money. Can anyone tell me how many postal clerks would have handled aspects of the postage payment for this item?

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24 Feb 2016
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re: How does this happen?

what a wonderful piece of postal history.

pity the stamps have been cut off from the envelope

very nice "due" marking

it is not unusual for stamps on flats and packages to get through without being cancelled; i see it far more than on regular first class mail. And it is not unusual for clerks to miss that one of the stamps was already used, even though they noticed that it was underfranked. Of course, unless you're the one who paid the difference, there is not way of knowing if the difference was $3.43 or $13.43.

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24 Feb 2016
02:39:11pm

re: How does this happen?

It could be that no one handled the piece except for the clerk who updated the postage.
If it was put in a drop box then a machine would probably have spotted the under franking and possibly the cancelled stamp. At which point it would probably have been kicked out for a clerk to correct the mistake(s) It would of course depend on what kind of equipment they were using and if the same machine was checking franking and previously cancelled stamps at the same time. Whatever happened I would find it hard to believe that they would miss the cancelled $10 stamp. I would think David is correct that the underpayment was $13.43 and that the clerk tried to remove the stamp at the left side but gave up.
It may be the sender got in a bit of trouble for trying to pass the stamp off.









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Oldmanemu

24 Feb 2016
06:06:37pm

re: How does this happen?

Those two explanations make a lot of sense. I only noticed the "anomaly"after cutting the stamps off. I also checked another package from the same seller and it also appears to have previously used stamps on it. However, this time it got through without any problems.

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Tom in Exton, PA
24 Feb 2016
07:39:49pm

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I wouldn't be buying from a seller who tries to pass off used stamps. Dishonesty never is one thing, it's a way of life!

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24 Feb 2016
10:39:19pm

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An excellent point, Tom.

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Oldmanemu

25 Feb 2016
01:43:35am

re: How does this happen?

Yes Tom and Charlie, it is an excellent point. At least he was caught out to some extent this time.

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