Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
here is the message sent;
"Hello phila, i'm writing to apologize for yanking the caracas cover, the glue reflect around stamp and cancel don't hit cover, viewers think it's fake, i'm looking at it now, no way is that item fake in any way, cant sell it for 3 bucks, The Zep cover is indeed incredible , So to make up for the caracas cover, Hopefully ,i will add some ok extras with zep cover if you win, Thank you for bids, and i will delete caracas from not sold list to prevent relist,"
He relisted the item for $99, previous start was a penny.
If I enter a bid, I'm not allowed to change my mind, why is a seller allowed to do this?
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Aha! That explains a lot and makes sense. Thank you.
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Happened to me too. I was bidding on a lot of poster stamps, had my snipe in, and the seller pulled it not because the bidding wasn't high enough - but because he thought that he would not get his asking price. We settled on a price that was actually less than I was going to bid. Very strange to say the least
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03:49:51pm
"... why is a seller allowed to do this? ..."
Because it is eBay. (Translation: Big bucks)
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I had a an interesting experience on Ebay recently. A lot was listed for sale at a starting bid of $1.99. I put it on my watch list, an a few days later when I looked at the item the starting bid was now $9.99. There were no bids recorded. And a few days later the starting bid was listed at $19.99, and again there were no bids. The item did not sell. Today as I was going through Ebay lots, there was the item again listed with a starting bid of $19.99. Sure seem like a "merry-go-round" way of doing business to me.
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We should start a thread on all the games sellers play while listing on ebay.
This may be informational, but also a warning to all our members about the reality of ebay.
My own experience has been focused on alerting sellers about their listing eronious cat numbers (they always pick the highest possible valued stamps, when in doubt) or about counterfeit stamps.
Some have acted positively, some have taken anothe look and added a comment, but not changed their prices. But many others ignored my message. Unfortunately, I have seen buyers pay top dollar for fakes or mis-identified stamps! No way to post anything with ebay management! or as a visible comment on the item for sale.
It is so hopeless, I have stopped bothering!
Some years ago, I had an article listing all the sellers dealing in counterfeit stamps.
Maybe we should start such a ressource here.
rrr...
Here is an example France 87 prussian blue...very expensive, while 86 is cheap! Does this look like prussian blue to anyone, save the seller?
FRANCE 1877-80 PEACE AND COMMERCE SC # 87 USED priced at $1900
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Excellent idea Ralph! Maybe we could start one for Ebay and one for other types of shady practices. I wish I had read something like that 50 years ago when I was a beginner - it would have saved me a ton of aggravation not to mention $. I'd be happy to compile the list of warnings from all the posts if that would be helpful. That list could then perhaps be added somewhere near the FAQ perhaps?
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Hi Ralph & Theresa;
Here is a better idea...within FAQs have a link to an article about these practices in our article section.
Theresa I nominate you as our official shady deals cop, and investigative journalist....you might win a
Pulitzer. 
Just stayin' warm....
TuskenRaider
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Incidentally I messaged the seller of this France Sc# 87 (???)
Here is my message post. Will let you know if he responds, or does anything about it.
rrr...(Ralph)
"As I carefully look at this stamp, I am convinced it is NOT Sc: #87.
It is #86 or #86a.
Definitely, it is NOT 87, and without a certificate you should not make this claim.
Thanks for taking care of it.
Ralph"
For those at SOR who want to see what a Sc#87 "Prussian Blue" looks like, here is a stamp authenticated with a certificate and expert signatures to boot. Most likely, if it does not have it, it is not #87.
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I found a mis-described item just yesterday.
Responding to this question from a potential buyer: 'Q: Dear vendor, Please advise which George V item this stamp is. There are several versions of the HKD5. Regards, David
The seller replied:
A: hi my cats are old i'm not getting new as i am selling all my collection i believe it to be be sg 115b on blue green olive back 1917 which cats at more than £1000.00 but with no ref i can not be 100 percent sure'.
I contacted the seller saying that it wasn't the 'blue-green on olive back' and sent him a scan. I also pointed out that it was the wrong watermark and thus from a subsequent issue.
How did I know that? He actually posted a photo taken from a Signoscope detector. So why invest in an expensive bit of kit and then not bother to identify it properly using his 'old catalogue'?
Did he change anything? No. It's futile when a fair amount of money is involved.
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Apparently! I won the above pictured stamp at a low bid of something like $3. I paid and waited. I got a message from the seller that the stamp was 'damaged in preparing it to ship', that the top selvage came separated, and I found my Paypal payment refunded.
True, I wouldn't have wanted it if the selvage was missing, that BEP script was what attracted me to it. And I wouldn't have wanted it if it was ready to pop either. Still, I saved the seller as a favorite, so I'll get notifications of their auctions to see if it shows up again!
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Hey Tom I hear what you're saying but from the looks of the scan it appears that the selvedge is hanging by a thread from the start.
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Yea Ernie, I was probably better off not having that stamp!
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Hey Tom,
I love that stamp and can certainly see why you would want it. I think it's the same engraving as on the $2 note. I've seen some amazing examples of selvedge imprints on eBay; they're super cool.
-Ernie
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I've been filling in my US commemoratives from the Columbians through the 1920s lately. Buying all mint so far, and I'm always attracted to blocks and other unusual things like selvage! This one came in the mail the other day... not bad for $4.80 I just love the engraving on this Pan American set! I have this and the 8 cent, stalking the rest!
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I just had an interesting interaction on ebay. A seller decided that the bids weren't high enough, so yanked the item and relisted.
here is the message sent;
"Hello phila, i'm writing to apologize for yanking the caracas cover, the glue reflect around stamp and cancel don't hit cover, viewers think it's fake, i'm looking at it now, no way is that item fake in any way, cant sell it for 3 bucks, The Zep cover is indeed incredible , So to make up for the caracas cover, Hopefully ,i will add some ok extras with zep cover if you win, Thank you for bids, and i will delete caracas from not sold list to prevent relist,"
He relisted the item for $99, previous start was a penny.
If I enter a bid, I'm not allowed to change my mind, why is a seller allowed to do this?
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Aha! That explains a lot and makes sense. Thank you.
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Happened to me too. I was bidding on a lot of poster stamps, had my snipe in, and the seller pulled it not because the bidding wasn't high enough - but because he thought that he would not get his asking price. We settled on a price that was actually less than I was going to bid. Very strange to say the least
Greg
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re: Can an seller on Ebay "change their mind" ???
"... why is a seller allowed to do this? ..."
Because it is eBay. (Translation: Big bucks)
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re: Can an seller on Ebay "change their mind" ???
I had a an interesting experience on Ebay recently. A lot was listed for sale at a starting bid of $1.99. I put it on my watch list, an a few days later when I looked at the item the starting bid was now $9.99. There were no bids recorded. And a few days later the starting bid was listed at $19.99, and again there were no bids. The item did not sell. Today as I was going through Ebay lots, there was the item again listed with a starting bid of $19.99. Sure seem like a "merry-go-round" way of doing business to me.
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re: Can an seller on Ebay "change their mind" ???
We should start a thread on all the games sellers play while listing on ebay.
This may be informational, but also a warning to all our members about the reality of ebay.
My own experience has been focused on alerting sellers about their listing eronious cat numbers (they always pick the highest possible valued stamps, when in doubt) or about counterfeit stamps.
Some have acted positively, some have taken anothe look and added a comment, but not changed their prices. But many others ignored my message. Unfortunately, I have seen buyers pay top dollar for fakes or mis-identified stamps! No way to post anything with ebay management! or as a visible comment on the item for sale.
It is so hopeless, I have stopped bothering!
Some years ago, I had an article listing all the sellers dealing in counterfeit stamps.
Maybe we should start such a ressource here.
rrr...
Here is an example France 87 prussian blue...very expensive, while 86 is cheap! Does this look like prussian blue to anyone, save the seller?
FRANCE 1877-80 PEACE AND COMMERCE SC # 87 USED priced at $1900
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re: Can an seller on Ebay "change their mind" ???
Excellent idea Ralph! Maybe we could start one for Ebay and one for other types of shady practices. I wish I had read something like that 50 years ago when I was a beginner - it would have saved me a ton of aggravation not to mention $. I'd be happy to compile the list of warnings from all the posts if that would be helpful. That list could then perhaps be added somewhere near the FAQ perhaps?
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re: Can an seller on Ebay "change their mind" ???
Hi Ralph & Theresa;
Here is a better idea...within FAQs have a link to an article about these practices in our article section.
Theresa I nominate you as our official shady deals cop, and investigative journalist....you might win a
Pulitzer.
Just stayin' warm....
TuskenRaider
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re: Can an seller on Ebay "change their mind" ???
Incidentally I messaged the seller of this France Sc# 87 (???)
Here is my message post. Will let you know if he responds, or does anything about it.
rrr...(Ralph)
"As I carefully look at this stamp, I am convinced it is NOT Sc: #87.
It is #86 or #86a.
Definitely, it is NOT 87, and without a certificate you should not make this claim.
Thanks for taking care of it.
Ralph"
For those at SOR who want to see what a Sc#87 "Prussian Blue" looks like, here is a stamp authenticated with a certificate and expert signatures to boot. Most likely, if it does not have it, it is not #87.
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re: Can an seller on Ebay "change their mind" ???
I found a mis-described item just yesterday.
Responding to this question from a potential buyer: 'Q: Dear vendor, Please advise which George V item this stamp is. There are several versions of the HKD5. Regards, David
The seller replied:
A: hi my cats are old i'm not getting new as i am selling all my collection i believe it to be be sg 115b on blue green olive back 1917 which cats at more than £1000.00 but with no ref i can not be 100 percent sure'.
I contacted the seller saying that it wasn't the 'blue-green on olive back' and sent him a scan. I also pointed out that it was the wrong watermark and thus from a subsequent issue.
How did I know that? He actually posted a photo taken from a Signoscope detector. So why invest in an expensive bit of kit and then not bother to identify it properly using his 'old catalogue'?
Did he change anything? No. It's futile when a fair amount of money is involved.
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re: Can an seller on Ebay "change their mind" ???
Apparently! I won the above pictured stamp at a low bid of something like $3. I paid and waited. I got a message from the seller that the stamp was 'damaged in preparing it to ship', that the top selvage came separated, and I found my Paypal payment refunded.
True, I wouldn't have wanted it if the selvage was missing, that BEP script was what attracted me to it. And I wouldn't have wanted it if it was ready to pop either. Still, I saved the seller as a favorite, so I'll get notifications of their auctions to see if it shows up again!
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Hey Tom I hear what you're saying but from the looks of the scan it appears that the selvedge is hanging by a thread from the start.
-Ernie
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Yea Ernie, I was probably better off not having that stamp!
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Hey Tom,
I love that stamp and can certainly see why you would want it. I think it's the same engraving as on the $2 note. I've seen some amazing examples of selvedge imprints on eBay; they're super cool.
-Ernie
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re: Can an seller on Ebay "change their mind" ???
I've been filling in my US commemoratives from the Columbians through the 1920s lately. Buying all mint so far, and I'm always attracted to blocks and other unusual things like selvage! This one came in the mail the other day... not bad for $4.80 I just love the engraving on this Pan American set! I have this and the 8 cent, stalking the rest!
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