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Worldwide/Cinderellas & Seals : Italian TB Stamps ???

 

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pedroguy
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13 Dec 2015
06:02:43pm
Image Not FoundI found these in a Scott Int'l. Junior Stamp Album Copyright 1933 Blue Tooled Cover..Is there any value here? Also I'd be interested in what year they are from. ThanksImage Not Found

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Ningpo
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13 Dec 2015
07:13:40pm
re: Italian TB Stamps ???

According to a little snippet on an Italian website, the first TB charity stamp was used 'between the wars', maybe the second one too.

If I'm reading the date correctly, this cover shows the date April ( or September) 1919. The inscription Anno XII E-F, may indicate 1913 but this is may refer to something else:


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If I've mangled the date, I'm sure I'll be corrected.

These only have nominal value as cinderellas.

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14 Dec 2015
02:11:02am
re: Italian TB Stamps ???

The date on the CDS does not make much sense to me but the purple postage stamp was not issued until 1929.

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14 Dec 2015
07:36:14am
re: Italian TB Stamps ???

That CDS date doesn't make sense to me either, more so that the envelope has a telephone number on it (1919?).

I have found two of these labels on Delcampe from an Italian seller. These are listed as being from 1935, which fits in with what Antonius has just posted.

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ikeyPikey
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14 Dec 2015
11:35:45am
re: Italian TB Stamps ???

My completely unqualified opinion:

12{00}-13{00} (hour)

16 IX {September}

1941 XIX {19th year of ... the 'reign' of Mussolini}

With a nickel, that'll get you on one of those trolleys Benito made run on time.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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14 Dec 2015
12:15:28pm
re: Italian TB Stamps ???

"1941 XIX {19th year of ... the 'reign' of Mussolini}"



Of course, I forgot about il Duce's arrogance.

Well done sir!

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14 Dec 2015
12:34:57pm
re: Italian TB Stamps ???

the top seal is from 1934, and, according to Green's, is Italy 4.1x, with the letter determined by the color scheme (a through j replacing X). My 1983 edition (the most recent) values each at 50c. There were subsequent printings with similar values, and they are listed as 4.2- 4.4

the second seal is Italy 5, valued at 75c. Clive's cover, with its tied, in-period seal, will command several multiples of that price.

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14 Dec 2015
01:01:58pm
re: Italian TB Stamps ???

The cover I posted was from the Italian site which mentioned the 'inter war years'. Does anybody know what ANNO XIII E.F. refers to?

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14 Dec 2015
01:31:29pm
re: Italian TB Stamps ???

i think if we subtract 1935 from 1941
and XIII from XIX,
we get the same number: 6 (VI)

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14 Dec 2015
02:24:27pm
re: Italian TB Stamps ???

According to the Teballa Cronologica Dell'era Fascista (see how that just rolls off my keyboard!):
the inscription refers to this range of dates within the Fascist era:


Anno XIII E.F. 28 ottobre 1934-27 ottobre 1935



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14 Dec 2015
03:17:00pm
re: Italian TB Stamps ???

Clive,

utter poetry

Il Duce, scourge of TB and Ethopia

David

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14 Dec 2015
05:43:40pm
re: Italian TB Stamps ???

David also the scourge of the mafia..he thinned them out pretty good !

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15 Dec 2015
08:02:54am
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then he did better with Mafia than with Ethopia, where he accomplished little

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13 Dec 2015
06:02:43pm

Image Not FoundI found these in a Scott Int'l. Junior Stamp Album Copyright 1933 Blue Tooled Cover..Is there any value here? Also I'd be interested in what year they are from. ThanksImage Not Found

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Ningpo

13 Dec 2015
07:13:40pm

re: Italian TB Stamps ???

According to a little snippet on an Italian website, the first TB charity stamp was used 'between the wars', maybe the second one too.

If I'm reading the date correctly, this cover shows the date April ( or September) 1919. The inscription Anno XII E-F, may indicate 1913 but this is may refer to something else:


Image Not Found


If I've mangled the date, I'm sure I'll be corrected.

These only have nominal value as cinderellas.

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AntoniusRa

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14 Dec 2015
02:11:02am

re: Italian TB Stamps ???

The date on the CDS does not make much sense to me but the purple postage stamp was not issued until 1929.

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14 Dec 2015
07:36:14am

re: Italian TB Stamps ???

That CDS date doesn't make sense to me either, more so that the envelope has a telephone number on it (1919?).

I have found two of these labels on Delcampe from an Italian seller. These are listed as being from 1935, which fits in with what Antonius has just posted.

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ikeyPikey

14 Dec 2015
11:35:45am

re: Italian TB Stamps ???

My completely unqualified opinion:

12{00}-13{00} (hour)

16 IX {September}

1941 XIX {19th year of ... the 'reign' of Mussolini}

With a nickel, that'll get you on one of those trolleys Benito made run on time.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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14 Dec 2015
12:15:28pm

re: Italian TB Stamps ???

"1941 XIX {19th year of ... the 'reign' of Mussolini}"



Of course, I forgot about il Duce's arrogance.

Well done sir!

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14 Dec 2015
12:34:57pm

re: Italian TB Stamps ???

the top seal is from 1934, and, according to Green's, is Italy 4.1x, with the letter determined by the color scheme (a through j replacing X). My 1983 edition (the most recent) values each at 50c. There were subsequent printings with similar values, and they are listed as 4.2- 4.4

the second seal is Italy 5, valued at 75c. Clive's cover, with its tied, in-period seal, will command several multiples of that price.

David

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Ningpo

14 Dec 2015
01:01:58pm

re: Italian TB Stamps ???

The cover I posted was from the Italian site which mentioned the 'inter war years'. Does anybody know what ANNO XIII E.F. refers to?

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amsd

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14 Dec 2015
01:31:29pm

re: Italian TB Stamps ???

i think if we subtract 1935 from 1941
and XIII from XIX,
we get the same number: 6 (VI)

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Ningpo

14 Dec 2015
02:24:27pm

re: Italian TB Stamps ???

According to the Teballa Cronologica Dell'era Fascista (see how that just rolls off my keyboard!):
the inscription refers to this range of dates within the Fascist era:


Anno XIII E.F. 28 ottobre 1934-27 ottobre 1935



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amsd

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14 Dec 2015
03:17:00pm

re: Italian TB Stamps ???

Clive,

utter poetry

Il Duce, scourge of TB and Ethopia

David

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14 Dec 2015
05:43:40pm

re: Italian TB Stamps ???

David also the scourge of the mafia..he thinned them out pretty good !

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15 Dec 2015
08:02:54am

re: Italian TB Stamps ???

then he did better with Mafia than with Ethopia, where he accomplished little

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