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The stamp is a 1948 provisional stamp issue that shows a map of the Jewish State with boundries according to United Nations partition resolution of November 29, 1947.
The stamps was issued in three values: 5 mils blue, 10 mils brown on yellow paper, and 50 mils blue on blue paper.
The stamp was also overprinted with values in three different overprint types in the values of 5, 10, and 50 mils.
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Thanks for your fast response.
Is that a usual stamp i mean without overprint or is an error?
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i seem to recall one of our club's members, now gone, who discussed this as a promotional label (which explains the absence of franking power). He thought the label more valuable than the provisionals. I wish Joe were here to correct me and give me a nuggie for getting it wrong, if that's the case.
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I dont find this stamp in any catalogue Bale, Moriah , Michel or Scott.
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i don't believe it's a stamp; it's a promotional, or patriotic, label, if i'm correct.
Michael (LondonBus) is a likely candidate to know more
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According to articles in The Israel Philatelist the stamps is genuine and was issued with and without values. There is an article in Volume 1, No.3 that not only describes these stamps but many other provisionals as well.
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This stamp was issued by the Jewish National Fund that from the early 20th century bought land in Palestine/Israel to develop. It says 'Jewish National Fund' at the bottom. They issued stamps - or rather labels - as one of the ways to fund their activities. During a short interim period in 1948 between the retreat of the British and the first issues of the new Israeli state the labels were accepted for postal use with and without overprint.
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Ok, now i understand.
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Terry and Gerben seem to be saying two contradictory things, if I read this correctly. Can you both elucidate?
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I believe not contradictory, but saying the same thing. Just before the first stamps of Israel were issued, these Jewish National Fund labels were put into service for postal use in the interim.
New issues of Jewish National Fund charity labels continue to be printed and sold, but they are no longer valid for postage.
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so, let me see if I understand this correctly: these stamps (or labels) were issued by an entity (JNF; not UPU-recognized) that was a precursor to Israel and supplemented (or replaced) mail delivered by Palestine prior to the UN creation. is that correct? These are JNF labels intended to frank mail in order to pay for its delivery.
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In 1920, Transjordan was separated and Palestine came under the civil administration of the British Mandate of Palestine. The postal service operated by the Mandatory authorities was reputed to be the best in the Middle East.
In early 1948, as the British government withdrew, the area underwent a violent transition, affecting all public services. Mail service was reportedly chaotic and unreliable. Nearly all British postal operations shut down during April. Rural services ended on April 15 and other post offices ceased operations by the end of April 1948, except for the main post offices in Haifa, Jaffa, Jerusalem, and Tel Aviv, Jaffa, and Jerusalem.
In early May 1948, the Jewish provisional government, known as Minhelet Ha'am, did not have its own postage stamps ready, so it used existing labels, both JNF labels, which otherwise have been printed since 1902 for fundraising purposes, and local community tax stamps. The JNF labels were given a Hebrew overprint meaning postage (doar), (blue overprint shown in the picture), whereas local community tax stamps were not given overprints. The JNF stamps were printed from May 3 to 14, 1948, their sale ended on May 14, 1948, with remaining stocks ordered to be returned and destroyed. Use of these stamps was tolerated until May 22, 1948. Since Jerusalem was under siege, its residents continued to use JNF stamps until June 20, 1948, whereupon Israeli stamps reached the city.
So I believe the stamp shown by Amiad is not valid for postal use, but it would have been if it had been overprinted with a value and "Doar" in Hebrew.
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Check - I think Terry's expose provides the overall picture. I'm not sure about the use of overprinted JNF labels only. The Michel catalog suggests that initially JNF labels were used and accepted by the provisional postal authorities without overprint. Then in a second stage they were overprinted with DOAR and a denomination. Other resources seem to suggest only overprinted labels were postally accepted.
Anyway a nice resource on the stamps used in the interim period is the following: http://israelstamps.com/an-introduction-to-the-interim-period-of-1948/
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David, it may help if you think of them as seals that were already in abundant existence. Seals as we know them today are given away in hopes of receiving a donation or having previously made a donation at an earlier time. KKL/JNF labels (seals) were sold to raise money. They were not created as postage.
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I have some like this as well, and also with the overprints. I'm also trying to find out more about them, so this has been informative.
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The stamp is listed in Kaplov 1973 catalogue:
Bialik-author and poet-and Herzl
Stamp size 40x24.5
785 black marked value 50
785a on watermarked paper
786 blue marked value 100
787 steel blue marked value 150
known imperforate #785 in violet, brown and red. sheet 10 stamps 2x5 Variation in sheet containing #785 one variety has the center perforation dividing the sheet vertically through the selvage to the bottomn the other variety has the center vertical perforation stopping at the last horizontal perforation. In the blank selvage area created a plate number and black star is printed.Paper is watermarked on this latter variety only.Portaits of Bialik and Herzl in ovals separated by a view of a Palestine village inscribed "Teaching and Testimony".
Was issued as a charity label to fund raise, but was used as a postage stamp in the interim period /early days of Israel along with many similar stamps as no other stamps were available at the time.
Bale points out that genuine commercial covers have a premium over philatelic covers.
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I just joined, so please forgive my tardy response. This is NOT a postal issue, but a charity stamp issued by the Jewish National Fund (Keren Kayemet L'Yisrael) to raise money for the Jewish Agency during the days of the British Mandate of Palestine. Interestingly, the stamps with printed values (not this stamp that has no denomination) were later used by the Jewish Interim Government after the withdrawal of British Postal Service on April 15, 1948. The Agency, co-opted the JNF issues printed in 1947-48 and then overprinted the stamps with the Hebrew word DOAR (post) in Tel Aviv using a rubber stamp with red or violet ink or in Haifa with a tin stamp using black ink. Although many purport that this stamp was among those used, there is a great deal of argument on this issue and many term the overprinted stamps without value are in fact philatelic and not for postal use. Also of note, the printer of this charity stamp was based in Jerusalem and during the siege of Jerusalem March to October 1948, the printer used their stock of charity stamps without denominations and overprinted in two separate lines: DOAR and 10 mils (the millieme was widely used in the British portion of the Middle East as it represented 1/1000 of an Egyptian pound).
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Is always difficult to know if the KKL stamps are collectible items and are genuine postal items or philatelic or worse items.
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The stamp is without value and without overprint, on bluish paper.
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re: Please help me with this Israel Interim stamp
The stamp is a 1948 provisional stamp issue that shows a map of the Jewish State with boundries according to United Nations partition resolution of November 29, 1947.
The stamps was issued in three values: 5 mils blue, 10 mils brown on yellow paper, and 50 mils blue on blue paper.
The stamp was also overprinted with values in three different overprint types in the values of 5, 10, and 50 mils.
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Thanks for your fast response.
Is that a usual stamp i mean without overprint or is an error?
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i seem to recall one of our club's members, now gone, who discussed this as a promotional label (which explains the absence of franking power). He thought the label more valuable than the provisionals. I wish Joe were here to correct me and give me a nuggie for getting it wrong, if that's the case.
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I dont find this stamp in any catalogue Bale, Moriah , Michel or Scott.
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i don't believe it's a stamp; it's a promotional, or patriotic, label, if i'm correct.
Michael (LondonBus) is a likely candidate to know more
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re: Please help me with this Israel Interim stamp
According to articles in The Israel Philatelist the stamps is genuine and was issued with and without values. There is an article in Volume 1, No.3 that not only describes these stamps but many other provisionals as well.
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This stamp was issued by the Jewish National Fund that from the early 20th century bought land in Palestine/Israel to develop. It says 'Jewish National Fund' at the bottom. They issued stamps - or rather labels - as one of the ways to fund their activities. During a short interim period in 1948 between the retreat of the British and the first issues of the new Israeli state the labels were accepted for postal use with and without overprint.
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Ok, now i understand.
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Terry and Gerben seem to be saying two contradictory things, if I read this correctly. Can you both elucidate?
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I believe not contradictory, but saying the same thing. Just before the first stamps of Israel were issued, these Jewish National Fund labels were put into service for postal use in the interim.
New issues of Jewish National Fund charity labels continue to be printed and sold, but they are no longer valid for postage.
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so, let me see if I understand this correctly: these stamps (or labels) were issued by an entity (JNF; not UPU-recognized) that was a precursor to Israel and supplemented (or replaced) mail delivered by Palestine prior to the UN creation. is that correct? These are JNF labels intended to frank mail in order to pay for its delivery.
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In 1920, Transjordan was separated and Palestine came under the civil administration of the British Mandate of Palestine. The postal service operated by the Mandatory authorities was reputed to be the best in the Middle East.
In early 1948, as the British government withdrew, the area underwent a violent transition, affecting all public services. Mail service was reportedly chaotic and unreliable. Nearly all British postal operations shut down during April. Rural services ended on April 15 and other post offices ceased operations by the end of April 1948, except for the main post offices in Haifa, Jaffa, Jerusalem, and Tel Aviv, Jaffa, and Jerusalem.
In early May 1948, the Jewish provisional government, known as Minhelet Ha'am, did not have its own postage stamps ready, so it used existing labels, both JNF labels, which otherwise have been printed since 1902 for fundraising purposes, and local community tax stamps. The JNF labels were given a Hebrew overprint meaning postage (doar), (blue overprint shown in the picture), whereas local community tax stamps were not given overprints. The JNF stamps were printed from May 3 to 14, 1948, their sale ended on May 14, 1948, with remaining stocks ordered to be returned and destroyed. Use of these stamps was tolerated until May 22, 1948. Since Jerusalem was under siege, its residents continued to use JNF stamps until June 20, 1948, whereupon Israeli stamps reached the city.
So I believe the stamp shown by Amiad is not valid for postal use, but it would have been if it had been overprinted with a value and "Doar" in Hebrew.
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Check - I think Terry's expose provides the overall picture. I'm not sure about the use of overprinted JNF labels only. The Michel catalog suggests that initially JNF labels were used and accepted by the provisional postal authorities without overprint. Then in a second stage they were overprinted with DOAR and a denomination. Other resources seem to suggest only overprinted labels were postally accepted.
Anyway a nice resource on the stamps used in the interim period is the following: http://israelstamps.com/an-introduction-to-the-interim-period-of-1948/
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David, it may help if you think of them as seals that were already in abundant existence. Seals as we know them today are given away in hopes of receiving a donation or having previously made a donation at an earlier time. KKL/JNF labels (seals) were sold to raise money. They were not created as postage.
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(Modified by Moderator on 2017-09-06 12:09:33)
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I have some like this as well, and also with the overprints. I'm also trying to find out more about them, so this has been informative.
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The stamp is listed in Kaplov 1973 catalogue:
Bialik-author and poet-and Herzl
Stamp size 40x24.5
785 black marked value 50
785a on watermarked paper
786 blue marked value 100
787 steel blue marked value 150
known imperforate #785 in violet, brown and red. sheet 10 stamps 2x5 Variation in sheet containing #785 one variety has the center perforation dividing the sheet vertically through the selvage to the bottomn the other variety has the center vertical perforation stopping at the last horizontal perforation. In the blank selvage area created a plate number and black star is printed.Paper is watermarked on this latter variety only.Portaits of Bialik and Herzl in ovals separated by a view of a Palestine village inscribed "Teaching and Testimony".
Was issued as a charity label to fund raise, but was used as a postage stamp in the interim period /early days of Israel along with many similar stamps as no other stamps were available at the time.
Bale points out that genuine commercial covers have a premium over philatelic covers.
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I just joined, so please forgive my tardy response. This is NOT a postal issue, but a charity stamp issued by the Jewish National Fund (Keren Kayemet L'Yisrael) to raise money for the Jewish Agency during the days of the British Mandate of Palestine. Interestingly, the stamps with printed values (not this stamp that has no denomination) were later used by the Jewish Interim Government after the withdrawal of British Postal Service on April 15, 1948. The Agency, co-opted the JNF issues printed in 1947-48 and then overprinted the stamps with the Hebrew word DOAR (post) in Tel Aviv using a rubber stamp with red or violet ink or in Haifa with a tin stamp using black ink. Although many purport that this stamp was among those used, there is a great deal of argument on this issue and many term the overprinted stamps without value are in fact philatelic and not for postal use. Also of note, the printer of this charity stamp was based in Jerusalem and during the siege of Jerusalem March to October 1948, the printer used their stock of charity stamps without denominations and overprinted in two separate lines: DOAR and 10 mils (the millieme was widely used in the British portion of the Middle East as it represented 1/1000 of an Egyptian pound).
Please feel free to respond, correct or validate this message.
Joel in Minnesota
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Is always difficult to know if the KKL stamps are collectible items and are genuine postal items or philatelic or worse items.
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