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The second one is definitely R84.
The cigarette stamp is not listed in Scott.
I have seen those customs service stamps (last stamp) previously but I could not find them in Scott.
The third stamp is R112.
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And the first one is R144.
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Thanks for the help!
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Blair,
For the ones not listed in Scott, go have a look at Eric Jackson's website and do a search.
http://www.ericjackson.com/rhome1c.asp
You will most likely find them there and they will have a number listed to identify them.
Randy
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....and by the way - the third one down is R112.
Randy
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Thanks Randy! That site helps a lot as I have several state revenues.
Thanks Everyone for the help!
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Hi everyone;
What are all those herringbone looking blue marks all over the middle stamp? Was that a method of canceling?
Just Chillin'....
TuskenRaider
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Ken,
I would have to inspect the stamp in person to be sure, but here's what I can tell you;
it could be due to being a 'cut cancel' but this wouldn't initially account for the blue ink in the lines.
It could also be due to the paper type, known as "chameleon paper" - used for second issue documentaries, it was usually violet blue or pink hued (depending on the stamp color used).
These issues are noted for having fine blue (or pink) lines running thru them here and there. Some stamps show very few, some show many.
The lines are usually NON-symmetrical, however; this leads me to believe that this is an example of a cut cancel stamp that someone has soaked off paper at some point, causing the ink to bleed into the cuts of the cancel.
(NOTE**
If you will look closely at the first image of the 1$ green stamp, you will see small blue lines scattered in it - not green, as you might expect!)
Hope this is somewhat clear!
Randy
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Hi all;
@ Randy;
Could that be a form of roller canceling as is used on some Belgian stamps?
Just Chillin'....
TuskenRaider
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I was wondering about those blue lines also. There is no cuts in the paper. Here's a photo of the back of the stamp:
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Tusken,
It could be what you suggest, but I have not seen it on US revenues in the past, so this would be a new one on me!
If you look at the reverse of the stamp, which Blair so kindly scanned for us, you'll notice that the blue lines are random, just as we would expect the front to be also.
This looks like something I'll have to investigate further!
I'll post my findings here when I learn more!
Thanks for the images, Blair.
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Yes it is a Cut cancel..
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I would agree except there are no cuts in it...
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07:14:55pm
Blair,
Have you look under a microscope to see if there are micro-dents along with the blue lines, if they are raised or flat with the paper?
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Sadly I don't have a microscope to use on it but I have looked at it under 10x magnification with my loupe and it doesn't seem to be raised or pressed down into the stamp. It looks like ink applied to the stamp... perhaps roller cancel?
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06:30:47pm
It could be. I don't think it's threads in the paper because they would be relatively in the same direction, wouldn't they?
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No they would be very random like on the back of the stamp shown...
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08:04:10pm
The threads on the back are indicative of the type of paper used and have nothing to do with the marks on the front of the stamp.
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10:40:48pm
Bobby's right. Hey, maybe a stamp with blue threads on the front and back is so rare, it's worth a fortune! 
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Just a few observations.....The pattern is not completely symmetrical as a cut cancel would be. If you look closely, it appears they have been applied over the top of the black ink, and as far as I know, on these stamps, the blue vignette was printed first then the black center. It almost appears that perfs from another stamp were inked and brushed against the face of this stamp. Just an observation.
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Can anyone give me the numbers for these? I'm having problems identifying them with certainty.
Thanks in advance!
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The second one is definitely R84.
The cigarette stamp is not listed in Scott.
I have seen those customs service stamps (last stamp) previously but I could not find them in Scott.
The third stamp is R112.
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And the first one is R144.
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Blair,
For the ones not listed in Scott, go have a look at Eric Jackson's website and do a search.
http://www.ericjackson.com/rhome1c.asp
You will most likely find them there and they will have a number listed to identify them.
Randy
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....and by the way - the third one down is R112.
Randy
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Thanks Randy! That site helps a lot as I have several state revenues.
Thanks Everyone for the help!
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Hi everyone;
What are all those herringbone looking blue marks all over the middle stamp? Was that a method of canceling?
Just Chillin'....
TuskenRaider
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re: Help with some Revenues &...
Ken,
I would have to inspect the stamp in person to be sure, but here's what I can tell you;
it could be due to being a 'cut cancel' but this wouldn't initially account for the blue ink in the lines.
It could also be due to the paper type, known as "chameleon paper" - used for second issue documentaries, it was usually violet blue or pink hued (depending on the stamp color used).
These issues are noted for having fine blue (or pink) lines running thru them here and there. Some stamps show very few, some show many.
The lines are usually NON-symmetrical, however; this leads me to believe that this is an example of a cut cancel stamp that someone has soaked off paper at some point, causing the ink to bleed into the cuts of the cancel.
(NOTE**
If you will look closely at the first image of the 1$ green stamp, you will see small blue lines scattered in it - not green, as you might expect!)
Hope this is somewhat clear!
Randy
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Hi all;
@ Randy;
Could that be a form of roller canceling as is used on some Belgian stamps?
Just Chillin'....
TuskenRaider
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I was wondering about those blue lines also. There is no cuts in the paper. Here's a photo of the back of the stamp:
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Tusken,
It could be what you suggest, but I have not seen it on US revenues in the past, so this would be a new one on me!
If you look at the reverse of the stamp, which Blair so kindly scanned for us, you'll notice that the blue lines are random, just as we would expect the front to be also.
This looks like something I'll have to investigate further!
I'll post my findings here when I learn more!
Thanks for the images, Blair.
Randy
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Yes it is a Cut cancel..
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I would agree except there are no cuts in it...
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18 Jan 2016
07:14:55pm
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Blair,
Have you look under a microscope to see if there are micro-dents along with the blue lines, if they are raised or flat with the paper?
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Sadly I don't have a microscope to use on it but I have looked at it under 10x magnification with my loupe and it doesn't seem to be raised or pressed down into the stamp. It looks like ink applied to the stamp... perhaps roller cancel?
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It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light. - Aristotle Onassis
23 Jan 2016
06:30:47pm
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It could be. I don't think it's threads in the paper because they would be relatively in the same direction, wouldn't they?
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No they would be very random like on the back of the stamp shown...
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23 Jan 2016
08:04:10pm
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The threads on the back are indicative of the type of paper used and have nothing to do with the marks on the front of the stamp.
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23 Jan 2016
10:40:48pm
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Bobby's right. Hey, maybe a stamp with blue threads on the front and back is so rare, it's worth a fortune!
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Just a few observations.....The pattern is not completely symmetrical as a cut cancel would be. If you look closely, it appears they have been applied over the top of the black ink, and as far as I know, on these stamps, the blue vignette was printed first then the black center. It almost appears that perfs from another stamp were inked and brushed against the face of this stamp. Just an observation.
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