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Europe/Other : Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

 

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keesindy
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28 Oct 2015
05:44:03pm
When Scott announced several years ago that they were going to clean up the early Portuguese colonies listing, I stopped working on and selling my early Portuguese colonies stamps. In 2013, I bought the 2013 Scott Classic Specialized Catalog thinking that work might be done. Not so.

I hadn't looked at the more recent catalogs at the library to see how things had changed until this week. Specifically, I was looking for values of the Azores Ceres stamps. What a shocker! There were dramatic changes—both up and down—compared to my 2013 catalog.

Here's what I found ($US)

2013 2016

155m .55 3.00
156m .55 3.00
157u .80 1.25
158m .55 4.00
159m 1.10 6.00
160m .55 5.00
161m .80 5.00
163m .80 12.00
164m .80 13.00
167m .55 80.00
173m .55 .55
181m .55 .80
187m .55 .55
210m 1.90 .90
213u 5.00 .90
214m 4.75 .90
215m 4.75 1.25
217m 4.75 .90
218m 2.00 .70
219m 7.50 1.90
220m 7.00 2.75
221m 2.50 .85
224m 40.00 5.00
225m 3.25 1.90

I have checked only a handful of other Azores stamp values, but haven't seen value changes of this magnitude. I haven't checked other Portuguese colonies yet either. If this is typical of what has happened with the colonies in recent years, I don't see how we can have much faith in what Scott publishes from year to year!

The pattern here is obvious. Lower values increase significantly and higher values decreased significantly. It doesn't make much sense to me.

Maybe they've introduced some errors in these newer values???

I lost my formatting and don't know how to restore it!
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28 Oct 2015
06:10:10pm
re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

Tom, only the Ceres issue for almost all of the Portuguese Colonies were renumbered. The perf and printing varieties now have their own major numbers. The old numbers may no longer match up with your stamps.

I think Scott finished the project in the 2015 catalog. I did notice a couple of small colonies without renumbering in the 2015 catalog. Maybe that went into the 2016 edition?

I have yet to redo my Ceres issues. I saw that the Steiner pages now have the Ceres issues broken out into the new major sets.

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keesindy
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28 Oct 2015
08:56:38pm
re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

Ohhhhh! Didn't realize that renumbering was involved! That obviously explains the mystery.

I see a lot of work ahead. I was thinking about getting the 1916 Classic Specialized. I guess I'll go ahead and do that and sell my 2013 copy rather than make numerous trips to the library to sort all of this out.

Thanks for clearing this up for me.


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29 Oct 2015
02:30:14pm
re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

Does Scott (or anyone) provide a key guide for the old and new Portuguese colonies numbers?

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29 Oct 2015
10:18:09pm
re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

The catalog number changes are listed at the end of each catalog. However, they only apply to the year edition that the changes were made in.

You will find the list after the regular listings. They call the page(s), "Number Additions, Deletions & Changes". It lists all changes from the previous edition, and includes all countries, not just the Portuguese colonies.

Here's the bad news. I looked at the 2015 Classic Specialized, and it doesn't have this information. It seems to be only in the standard catalogs that this page appears.

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30 Oct 2015
10:50:49am
re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

Thanks for the info, Michael. I'll order a 2016 Classic Specialized in the next few days. Maybe it'll have the changes list. If not, I guess I can always go to the library and photocopy some of that info.

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30 Oct 2015
05:12:18pm
re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

No, you won't get the renumbering list in the classic. The list is only in the standard catalogs. Also, the renumbering list is unique for each yearly edition. There is no cumulative list. They did Azores in the first year of the project, for example. The renumbering will only appear in the list for that year. In 2015 they did Quelimane. The renumbering for that will only appear in the 2015 catalog.

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30 Oct 2015
08:33:00pm
re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

Thanks for explaining how this worked, Michael. I missed getting those lists at the library in recent years.

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28 Oct 2015
05:44:03pm

When Scott announced several years ago that they were going to clean up the early Portuguese colonies listing, I stopped working on and selling my early Portuguese colonies stamps. In 2013, I bought the 2013 Scott Classic Specialized Catalog thinking that work might be done. Not so.

I hadn't looked at the more recent catalogs at the library to see how things had changed until this week. Specifically, I was looking for values of the Azores Ceres stamps. What a shocker! There were dramatic changes—both up and down—compared to my 2013 catalog.

Here's what I found ($US)

2013 2016

155m .55 3.00
156m .55 3.00
157u .80 1.25
158m .55 4.00
159m 1.10 6.00
160m .55 5.00
161m .80 5.00
163m .80 12.00
164m .80 13.00
167m .55 80.00
173m .55 .55
181m .55 .80
187m .55 .55
210m 1.90 .90
213u 5.00 .90
214m 4.75 .90
215m 4.75 1.25
217m 4.75 .90
218m 2.00 .70
219m 7.50 1.90
220m 7.00 2.75
221m 2.50 .85
224m 40.00 5.00
225m 3.25 1.90

I have checked only a handful of other Azores stamp values, but haven't seen value changes of this magnitude. I haven't checked other Portuguese colonies yet either. If this is typical of what has happened with the colonies in recent years, I don't see how we can have much faith in what Scott publishes from year to year!

The pattern here is obvious. Lower values increase significantly and higher values decreased significantly. It doesn't make much sense to me.

Maybe they've introduced some errors in these newer values???

I lost my formatting and don't know how to restore it!

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28 Oct 2015
06:10:10pm

re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

Tom, only the Ceres issue for almost all of the Portuguese Colonies were renumbered. The perf and printing varieties now have their own major numbers. The old numbers may no longer match up with your stamps.

I think Scott finished the project in the 2015 catalog. I did notice a couple of small colonies without renumbering in the 2015 catalog. Maybe that went into the 2016 edition?

I have yet to redo my Ceres issues. I saw that the Steiner pages now have the Ceres issues broken out into the new major sets.

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keesindy

28 Oct 2015
08:56:38pm

re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

Ohhhhh! Didn't realize that renumbering was involved! That obviously explains the mystery.

I see a lot of work ahead. I was thinking about getting the 1916 Classic Specialized. I guess I'll go ahead and do that and sell my 2013 copy rather than make numerous trips to the library to sort all of this out.

Thanks for clearing this up for me.


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keesindy

29 Oct 2015
02:30:14pm

re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

Does Scott (or anyone) provide a key guide for the old and new Portuguese colonies numbers?

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michael78651

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29 Oct 2015
10:18:09pm

re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

The catalog number changes are listed at the end of each catalog. However, they only apply to the year edition that the changes were made in.

You will find the list after the regular listings. They call the page(s), "Number Additions, Deletions & Changes". It lists all changes from the previous edition, and includes all countries, not just the Portuguese colonies.

Here's the bad news. I looked at the 2015 Classic Specialized, and it doesn't have this information. It seems to be only in the standard catalogs that this page appears.

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keesindy

30 Oct 2015
10:50:49am

re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

Thanks for the info, Michael. I'll order a 2016 Classic Specialized in the next few days. Maybe it'll have the changes list. If not, I guess I can always go to the library and photocopy some of that info.

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michael78651

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30 Oct 2015
05:12:18pm

re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

No, you won't get the renumbering list in the classic. The list is only in the standard catalogs. Also, the renumbering list is unique for each yearly edition. There is no cumulative list. They did Azores in the first year of the project, for example. The renumbering will only appear in the list for that year. In 2015 they did Quelimane. The renumbering for that will only appear in the 2015 catalog.

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keesindy

30 Oct 2015
08:33:00pm

re: Scott Portuguese colonies values, 2013 to 2016!

Thanks for explaining how this worked, Michael. I missed getting those lists at the library in recent years.

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