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It will depend how you like the stamps arranged in an album. There is the Scott system, and then there is the chronological system. With Scott, stamps are divided by service type. With the chronological system, stamps are generally arranged by date of issue regardless of service type (there are some exceptions to that).
Harris pages follow the Scott system, Minkus follows the chronological system.
You will also have to decide how you like how the album pages are printed. Do you like stamps all clumped together with little to no free space like with the Harris pages, or do you want less stamps on a page to make a better presentation.
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One other thing is the cost of supplements.
You didn't say how current the album pages are. It will be difficult to obtain back supplements for the Harris album, but not as difficult for the Minkus one. The Harris supplements are much lower priced than the Minkus pages, however.
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"I recently inherited a WW stamp collection that includes a Minkus Master Global Album and a Harris Citation album. There are stamps in both albums through the 1960s, but I'd like to combine them into one, and then use that one to continue the collection."
I would suggest checking if the Citation stamps have spaces in the Global, and vice-versa. Then pick the one that works the best.
Both the Citation and the Master Global albums are "representative" -that is there are a number of stamps that do not have a space in the albums- often the earlier issues.
(If one is interested in the 1840-1940 stamp era, the Minkus Global Supreme would be a better choice.- But that was not your question.
)All the best and have fun!
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Getting back to the cost of updating the albums, the supplement for the Minkus Global Supreme and the Minkus Master Global are now the same. The pages are similar to the Scott International pages. Retail is currently $270.00 for an annual supplement (comes in two parts). If you have Amos Advantage, the cost is $198 for the supplement.
Amos Media also owns H E Harris. The annual worldwide supplement for Harris retails for $19.95, with $16.49 with Amos Advantage.
Back supplements are very limited for both albums.
Just more things for you to consider, but it simply comes down to what do you want in an album, how do you want your stamps to be presented, and how much are you willing to pay to get it.
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Ah, the Citation Album... reminds me of the old days. I ordered a Citation from HE Harris in Boston in 1967 and thought it would never come. I was a junior in high school. When it did finally arrive I thought I was in philatelic heaven. I fondly recall mounting some Chines Treaty Port stamps on a blank page while I listened to coverage of the Six Day Arab-Israeli War on the radio. Gosh, that was 47 years ago... where did the time go? It seems like yesterday. That old album still sits in a place of honor in my stamp room. I have since moved on through the Scott International and now the Minkus Supreme. However, nothing can replace the pride I felt in getting that 1967 edition of the Citation!!
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" ... Does anyone have any thoughts as to which of these two albums would be "better" for combining the collections, such as from the standpoint of coverage or illustrations or ease of use? ..."
First off, I collect postally used world wide and have been doing so for almost fifty years as an adult.
In about 1964 when I became interested in resuming what had been a childhood hobby I found the old Scott's International that had been my parents and several small childhood albums that had all been on a shelf, undisturbed, for ten years or more.
I decided I needed a new up to date world wide album, something I could take to sea with me as I was working for the MSTS by then and sailing regularly across the Atlantic.
On my next trip to Manhattan, I stopped at the Macy's 35th Street store's stamp counter as well as the Minkus outlet in Gimbals across the street and after looking at the options, Scott, Minkus or Harris, I chose a big fat Harris Citation Album.
At home and while travelling I began to fill in the spaces from the old Scott's, stamps I bought along the way, as well as the dozens of mixed envelope corners that had been piled in a drawer of a large wooden desk at home over the previous fifteen years or so. Soon I bought a second matching Harris binder because the first one was bulging at the seams and carried them with me as I sailed, filling spaces in the evenings.
One of the first things I did on each ship was to find and extra life jacket for my albums which, in an emergency could be put into a large plastic bag, taped and sealed, and then inserted within a second taped and sealed plastic bag, all wrapped in that second lifejacket with a working light and ten foot 2 thread lanyard. It pays to be prepared.
Over time I realized that many of the Iron Curtain issues, the Sand Dune products and some other countries whose stamps I call glorified Jam Jar Labels that had virtually no postal validity at all, so I removed many of those pages to make room for more supplements and blank pages which then gave me room to add more stamps from countries with real postal usages.
In the mid-1970s, after getting married and settling down, I found a dealer at a stamp bourse who had an entire fifteen or twenty Minkus Supreme Global albums that had been "creamed' (The stamps mostly removed for resale.) for sale for $40. I think I offered $35 cash and carry. I guess he was tired of carrying the three cardboard boxes to shows and back home.
Some of the binders were worn and many pages were for those same Jam Jar labels, but once the junk was combed through and he good binders filled with pages I had a decent twelve volume set to transfer all my stamps into from the, by then, overstuffed Harris Citation binders. That took some time as you may imagine.
Keeping up with each years expensive new pages seemed like an exercise in frustration as more than half the pages printed in supplements were also for labels that I did not consider postally valid, so I began to create separate three ring binders for favored countries either from the beginning or from some convenient point in the mid-'70s.
So I have some twelve Minkus Supreme/Master Globals again "bulging" with world wide stamps from 1840 to about 1975 or so, and many separate albums for individual countries or geographic areas from that date on.
So, with that as a prelude, if you are going to collect worldwide, I'd suggest seeking a similar used Minkus set and for the time being don't be afraid to mix the pages together keeping which ever pages for a given country is the most populated with stamps. Then depending on what you find on the used album market choose the range of years in good condition and move all he stamps into the album set. Personally I prefer the Minkus Supreme or Master binders and pages. After that range of album pages is decided on, I'd switch to buying my own three ring binders and using blank page.
Remember it is your album and your hobby so do what seems best to you. Notice that a spanking new Scott or Minkus set of albums will run upwards of $4,000. A good used set of from 1840 to about 1990 or even 2000 should cost far less, I'd guess $200-$300 depending on condition and range.
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I won a set of 5 Citation albums at auction many years ago..sight unseen...they did not work for me..whether it was the quality of the images on the pages ..i am not sure... i sent them back and took a loss...you have to be happy with the album that houses your stamps !
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Minkus Master vs Harris Citation, I went with Minkus.
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I don't know. I kind of like the Harris. I use two "Standard" and one Citation album to keep my worldwide in, and it suits me very well, even if you occasionally have to dig a little for the supplements.
But again, my worldwide collection is less a pursuit and more something I add to as stamps come in, either from collections purchased, or the odd mixture.
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I recently inherited a WW stamp collection that includes a Minkus Master Global Album and a Harris Citation album. There are stamps in both albums through the 1960s, but I'd like to combine them into one, and then use that one to continue the collection. They seem to be about the same size, but the Citation has more stamps in it currently. Does anyone have any thoughts as to which of these two albums would be "better" for combining the collections, such as from the standpoint of coverage or illustrations or ease of use?
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re: Comparing Master Global with Citation Albums
It will depend how you like the stamps arranged in an album. There is the Scott system, and then there is the chronological system. With Scott, stamps are divided by service type. With the chronological system, stamps are generally arranged by date of issue regardless of service type (there are some exceptions to that).
Harris pages follow the Scott system, Minkus follows the chronological system.
You will also have to decide how you like how the album pages are printed. Do you like stamps all clumped together with little to no free space like with the Harris pages, or do you want less stamps on a page to make a better presentation.
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re: Comparing Master Global with Citation Albums
One other thing is the cost of supplements.
You didn't say how current the album pages are. It will be difficult to obtain back supplements for the Harris album, but not as difficult for the Minkus one. The Harris supplements are much lower priced than the Minkus pages, however.
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"I recently inherited a WW stamp collection that includes a Minkus Master Global Album and a Harris Citation album. There are stamps in both albums through the 1960s, but I'd like to combine them into one, and then use that one to continue the collection."
I would suggest checking if the Citation stamps have spaces in the Global, and vice-versa. Then pick the one that works the best.
Both the Citation and the Master Global albums are "representative" -that is there are a number of stamps that do not have a space in the albums- often the earlier issues.
(If one is interested in the 1840-1940 stamp era, the Minkus Global Supreme would be a better choice.- But that was not your question.
)All the best and have fun!
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re: Comparing Master Global with Citation Albums
Getting back to the cost of updating the albums, the supplement for the Minkus Global Supreme and the Minkus Master Global are now the same. The pages are similar to the Scott International pages. Retail is currently $270.00 for an annual supplement (comes in two parts). If you have Amos Advantage, the cost is $198 for the supplement.
Amos Media also owns H E Harris. The annual worldwide supplement for Harris retails for $19.95, with $16.49 with Amos Advantage.
Back supplements are very limited for both albums.
Just more things for you to consider, but it simply comes down to what do you want in an album, how do you want your stamps to be presented, and how much are you willing to pay to get it.
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re: Comparing Master Global with Citation Albums
Ah, the Citation Album... reminds me of the old days. I ordered a Citation from HE Harris in Boston in 1967 and thought it would never come. I was a junior in high school. When it did finally arrive I thought I was in philatelic heaven. I fondly recall mounting some Chines Treaty Port stamps on a blank page while I listened to coverage of the Six Day Arab-Israeli War on the radio. Gosh, that was 47 years ago... where did the time go? It seems like yesterday. That old album still sits in a place of honor in my stamp room. I have since moved on through the Scott International and now the Minkus Supreme. However, nothing can replace the pride I felt in getting that 1967 edition of the Citation!!
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27 Oct 2015
12:20:54pm
re: Comparing Master Global with Citation Albums
" ... Does anyone have any thoughts as to which of these two albums would be "better" for combining the collections, such as from the standpoint of coverage or illustrations or ease of use? ..."
First off, I collect postally used world wide and have been doing so for almost fifty years as an adult.
In about 1964 when I became interested in resuming what had been a childhood hobby I found the old Scott's International that had been my parents and several small childhood albums that had all been on a shelf, undisturbed, for ten years or more.
I decided I needed a new up to date world wide album, something I could take to sea with me as I was working for the MSTS by then and sailing regularly across the Atlantic.
On my next trip to Manhattan, I stopped at the Macy's 35th Street store's stamp counter as well as the Minkus outlet in Gimbals across the street and after looking at the options, Scott, Minkus or Harris, I chose a big fat Harris Citation Album.
At home and while travelling I began to fill in the spaces from the old Scott's, stamps I bought along the way, as well as the dozens of mixed envelope corners that had been piled in a drawer of a large wooden desk at home over the previous fifteen years or so. Soon I bought a second matching Harris binder because the first one was bulging at the seams and carried them with me as I sailed, filling spaces in the evenings.
One of the first things I did on each ship was to find and extra life jacket for my albums which, in an emergency could be put into a large plastic bag, taped and sealed, and then inserted within a second taped and sealed plastic bag, all wrapped in that second lifejacket with a working light and ten foot 2 thread lanyard. It pays to be prepared.
Over time I realized that many of the Iron Curtain issues, the Sand Dune products and some other countries whose stamps I call glorified Jam Jar Labels that had virtually no postal validity at all, so I removed many of those pages to make room for more supplements and blank pages which then gave me room to add more stamps from countries with real postal usages.
In the mid-1970s, after getting married and settling down, I found a dealer at a stamp bourse who had an entire fifteen or twenty Minkus Supreme Global albums that had been "creamed' (The stamps mostly removed for resale.) for sale for $40. I think I offered $35 cash and carry. I guess he was tired of carrying the three cardboard boxes to shows and back home.
Some of the binders were worn and many pages were for those same Jam Jar labels, but once the junk was combed through and he good binders filled with pages I had a decent twelve volume set to transfer all my stamps into from the, by then, overstuffed Harris Citation binders. That took some time as you may imagine.
Keeping up with each years expensive new pages seemed like an exercise in frustration as more than half the pages printed in supplements were also for labels that I did not consider postally valid, so I began to create separate three ring binders for favored countries either from the beginning or from some convenient point in the mid-'70s.
So I have some twelve Minkus Supreme/Master Globals again "bulging" with world wide stamps from 1840 to about 1975 or so, and many separate albums for individual countries or geographic areas from that date on.
So, with that as a prelude, if you are going to collect worldwide, I'd suggest seeking a similar used Minkus set and for the time being don't be afraid to mix the pages together keeping which ever pages for a given country is the most populated with stamps. Then depending on what you find on the used album market choose the range of years in good condition and move all he stamps into the album set. Personally I prefer the Minkus Supreme or Master binders and pages. After that range of album pages is decided on, I'd switch to buying my own three ring binders and using blank page.
Remember it is your album and your hobby so do what seems best to you. Notice that a spanking new Scott or Minkus set of albums will run upwards of $4,000. A good used set of from 1840 to about 1990 or even 2000 should cost far less, I'd guess $200-$300 depending on condition and range.
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re: Comparing Master Global with Citation Albums
I won a set of 5 Citation albums at auction many years ago..sight unseen...they did not work for me..whether it was the quality of the images on the pages ..i am not sure... i sent them back and took a loss...you have to be happy with the album that houses your stamps !
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Minkus Master vs Harris Citation, I went with Minkus.
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I don't know. I kind of like the Harris. I use two "Standard" and one Citation album to keep my worldwide in, and it suits me very well, even if you occasionally have to dig a little for the supplements.
But again, my worldwide collection is less a pursuit and more something I add to as stamps come in, either from collections purchased, or the odd mixture.
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