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Wow! You do know that on a certain other stamp forum there are 158 pages of this stuff, one after the other, don't you? I hope we can adopt a slightly more manageable way of displaying this sort of stamp!
In the Soviet Union, long sets of landscape or townscape stamps were shared between the entire team of engravers - seven of them worked on the Republican Capitals set of 1958, and four or five from the same team on the 'Tourist Publicity' set a year later, and the 'Capitals of Autonomous Republics' series of 1960. There is some marvellous work to be seen on all three sets, but I thought I'd concentrate on the work of one of them, Ivan Sapronov. He is described as one of the younger members of the team by co-worker Lydia Mayorova, but that apart it has proved impossible to find out anything else about him.
Here from the first of the above-named sets is his view of Riga, the Latvian capital; from the second, Lake Riza in the Caucasus, and from the third Yoshkar-Ola, the capital of the Mari El ASSR, 500 miles east of Moscow. Which do you like best?
I love the townscapes especially, with their wide, almost traffic-free boulevards and just one or two strollers in the distance. There's something about engraving that suits sea, sky and even trunk roads...
There's a lot where these came from - my Russia collection stops at 1970 and there are nearly 300 of them - so I'll hold off for a bit while others have a go.
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This has always been one of my favourite Queen Victoria issues.
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P.S. Guthrum: No contest. Riga, hands down.
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I think this was one of the finest engraved stamps ever produced, the Persian Rug. Printed by Joseph Carpenter, not sure if he was the engraver as well. Even though I will never own one, it is to be admired. It measures 2 1/8 X 4 inches.
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I do not have a better scan of the US version of the joint US-Monaco issue.
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Engraved stamps are my favorite also. The Scandinavian countries were the last to abandon this printing process, cost are becoming prohibiting (Read the story of Austria, Scott #620)and on this day and age money is the answer to everything, quantity instead of quality is the norm, here, there and everywhere. Gone are the days were we used a 20X magnifying glass just to see if two seemingly alike stamps were actually different. But we adapt and still enjoy the hobby as much as we ever did.
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"Anyway - 158 pages on another site? maybe 15 stamps per page, 2500 stamps. There's still 100m more so we can do better"
I was rather hoping we could do better in terms of managing the thread, rather than exceeding the number of pages! Something along the lines of dividing threads into parts as we do with 'recent acquisitions', or even diversifying into geographical areas (or maybe 'Slania' and 'The Rest'!). But so far there seems little danger of overload.
Here are three stamps from 1965, when Poland was commemorating the end of the war. As befits a country which felt it had helped win a war, only to lose its identity, the subjects and colours are muted. Nevertheless this series has a dignity which was signally lacking in the Polish 'packet-fodder' stamps of the period.
The words on my first stamp read "Heroes of the struggle for the liberation of Kielce" - a city in central Poland. The Stanley Gibbons attribution states 'Memorial, Holy Cross Mountains', and the memorial still apparently stands, but it has proved difficult to ascertain exactly where! It will be near Kielce.
The words on the tabs are "Struggle and Martyrdom of the Polish Nation in the years 1939-1945".
The words on this one read "Murdered by the Nazis at Plaszow" - the camp outside Krakow which was featured at the beginning of the film Schindler's List. This one still stands, too, as does the one below, the memorial to those "Murdered by the Nazis at Chelmno-on-the-Ner" - Chelmno being one of the more notorious extermination camps.
The engravers, clearly named on the stamp as Tirdiszek, Kowalska and Miller, were part of a team contributing to Polish stamps of the period. I am not working on this area at present, and so have no information about them.
One of the features of this set is the subtle gradation of colours used (which may not come out so well in my scans). They are, from the top, 'deep brown', 'bronze-green', and 'blackish brown'. I hope you like the set, despite its grim nature.
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The Grace Kelly stamps are among my favorites of all time. Simple yet elegant.
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One of my favorite engraved issues is this 1910 set from Chile . Printed by the American Bank Note Company to celebrate the Independence Centenary
It is unfortunate that image size limitations here are so low here. I was wanting to do a page of the day of favorite pages of the world as I have done on a couple other chat boards. However the limitations here are far greater than elsewhere not allowing adequate size scans to be presented. I understand the webmaster having concerns of storage space. But, I feel there should at least be the option to link to an online site/storage space to display a full size (200dpi) page on the board.
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NL947, I much like you Beer stamps. I have never spent any time collecting them but I think they are some of the most beautiful U.S. revenues. About 25 years ago I found one in a mixed auction lot and just put it with some other B.O.B. in a stock book and never paid any attention to it until years later. About five years ago I realized that it was one of the rarer of the Beers. I ran it on Ebay and got around $450 for it with Eric Jackson being the under bidder. I was talking to a collector of Beer stamps last year and he told me there probably were only 3 or 4 that exist and that I probably had had the only used one. In hindsight I probably could have got more for it, but that's the way she goes sometimes and I did not have anything into it.
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Nice thread, Nelson! Here is a pair of Falkland Islands stamps from one of my favorite sets—and they're bi-color, too!
And my avatar from another great set from Belgian Congo!
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I love the iceberg surrounded by red! Gives it a neat contrast.
On the Congo stamp, the guy with the spear missed the first elephant now he's going after the one in the foreground.
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That elephant is a City* elephant, in pinstriped suit!
(But seriously, that is very heavy use of the burin - I presume deliberate, because I don't yet know what marks out a good engraving from a not so good one.)
*The London equivalent of Wall Street, where brokers and traders and hedge-funders and suchlike used to sport pinstripe trousers and bowler hats. Hasn't been like that for a few decades, though. Maybe pinstripes are more associated with baseball in the USA, rather than businessmen?
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Being fairly familiar with the "other" thread mentioned, I'm curious to know how this one could be organized in a more efficient manner?
Everyone loves looking at stamps, but...if there is a way to do it better, let's hear it...
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@Charlie:
edit: NOT @Charlie at all, but @Collin! I was too quick off the mark there, faced with similar usernames.
One way to avoid a massively long thread of this sort is to divide it randomly into parts, as has been done with "Show your most recent acquisitions".
Another might be to shift the thread to a different part of the website devoted solely to illustrations, rather than discussions, of stamps - and then perhaps to separate by country, or even engraver.
A thread like this seems to be popular largely insofar as people like to see pretty pictures - rather than to discuss how the pictures are made, who made them under what conditions, or whether they can be graded according to quality. There's nothing wrong with solely illustrative threads, but there are an awful lot of engraved stamps and no logical reason why every single one should not be included, other than exhaustion - which seems not to have overtaken the 158-page equivalent on Another Forum.
At the very least there could be a separate Stamporama 'topic' of Engraved Stamps, which might then include various threads along whatever lines people wish to follow.
What do people think?
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I find myself puzzled by that response, Nelson; I cannot work out whether you are displeased with my post, or merely found it ironic. My 'pinstripe' comment was entirely relevant to the use of the burin on that image. I'm sorry if you failed to spot that, or even be amused by the humorous way in which the point was made.
The suggestions I made about the potential length of this thread were intended to be helpful.
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Hey nelson, I apologize for side tracking the thread. I'll delete the comment. I sometimes find it difficult to stay solely focused on a narrow topic. I thought guthrum's comment on how the elephant was engraved in such a way as to make him appear to be wearing a pinstriped suit was on topic, my post regarding pinstriped suits falling out of style was not.
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" .... What do people think?...."
Well first off, I think that people who want to refer to a previously posted comment should provide something similar to the above so that subsequent readers can figure out what in going on.
" ... @ Charlie,
One way to avoid a massively long thread of this sort is to divide it randomly into parts, as has been done with "Show your most recent acquisitions". ...."
For instance, since my first name is "Charlie" at first I wondered what I could have written that could be being referred to. It took two scrollings up to he beginning and down to the last post to decide that perhaps the reference is to someone else's post, someone who shares the once very common first name. Or possibly to some stray post in another thread ?
" ... Another might be to shift the thread to a different part of the website. ...."
Possibly I made a comment that was shifted to another thread, but how would I or any reader figure that out without the intervention of Tyche herself or one of her companions ?
Using an identifier such as the "QUOTE" tab featured below will also alleviate some of the complications of following a long meandering thread and minimize the need for splitting things into separate parts while still maintaining some semblance of sanity, as well as helping the mods trying to untie the verbal Gordian knots so often created in threads that become long precisely because of member's interest.
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In my reply above, I have mistaken cdj for cdj1122. My apologies to both.
The 'drifting' issue would be ameliorated by having 'threads within threads', rather as facebook does these days. But I understand that is practically difficult to achieve. As it is, there was a discussion about this on the GB topic (a thread which I started) a couple of months ago, when the consensus seemed to be that a degree of drifting was to be welcomed, or at least tolerated, as the will of the people.
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No worries on this end...you're not the first one to mix up cjd and cdj(1122). It hasn't happened much lately, perhaps because I haven't been around much for quite a while. (This site or that, I'm the one with the KGV avatar.)
In my opinion, you can't be too doctrinaire about threads, or you risk taking all the fun out of it. Sure, an outright hijack is impolite, but a comment here, a comment there...sometimes those become the most interesting part of the thread.
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" ... ...you're not the first one to mix up cjd and cdj(1122). ..."
Shucks, sometimes I get confused and wonder if I really wrote that, and why did I transpose the letters ? 
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I just acquired the following set after several years of working on my classic Cayman Island collection. I think it fits with this thread so I thought I would share:
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What happened to Nelson's very nice scans of engraved stamps?!?
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"What happened to Nelson's very nice scans of engraved stamps?!?"
You'll have to ask Nelson.
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These were engraved by José Luis López Sánchez Toda, Spanish engraver (Madrid 1901-1975).
I found the set in blocks of 4 at a local show many years ago. I wasn't looking for them. I wasn't even looking for Spain. I've never collected Spanish stamps. I was simply looking for nice engraved stamps to scan and these popped up! The engraving in the margins added to their appeal. I saw a single online this morning with a different margin engraving attached. I wonder how many different margin engravings there were?
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Absolutely gorgeous!!
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I believe there are only 2 different margin designs for that Spanish set. Here is the other one.
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I have always liked the KG-V Silver Jubilee omnibus sets.
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Wow! You do know that on a certain other stamp forum there are 158 pages of this stuff, one after the other, don't you? I hope we can adopt a slightly more manageable way of displaying this sort of stamp!
In the Soviet Union, long sets of landscape or townscape stamps were shared between the entire team of engravers - seven of them worked on the Republican Capitals set of 1958, and four or five from the same team on the 'Tourist Publicity' set a year later, and the 'Capitals of Autonomous Republics' series of 1960. There is some marvellous work to be seen on all three sets, but I thought I'd concentrate on the work of one of them, Ivan Sapronov. He is described as one of the younger members of the team by co-worker Lydia Mayorova, but that apart it has proved impossible to find out anything else about him.
Here from the first of the above-named sets is his view of Riga, the Latvian capital; from the second, Lake Riza in the Caucasus, and from the third Yoshkar-Ola, the capital of the Mari El ASSR, 500 miles east of Moscow. Which do you like best?
I love the townscapes especially, with their wide, almost traffic-free boulevards and just one or two strollers in the distance. There's something about engraving that suits sea, sky and even trunk roads...
There's a lot where these came from - my Russia collection stops at 1970 and there are nearly 300 of them - so I'll hold off for a bit while others have a go.
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20 Oct 2015
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This has always been one of my favourite Queen Victoria issues.
Roy
P.S. Guthrum: No contest. Riga, hands down.
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I think this was one of the finest engraved stamps ever produced, the Persian Rug. Printed by Joseph Carpenter, not sure if he was the engraver as well. Even though I will never own one, it is to be admired. It measures 2 1/8 X 4 inches.
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I do not have a better scan of the US version of the joint US-Monaco issue.
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Engraved stamps are my favorite also. The Scandinavian countries were the last to abandon this printing process, cost are becoming prohibiting (Read the story of Austria, Scott #620)and on this day and age money is the answer to everything, quantity instead of quality is the norm, here, there and everywhere. Gone are the days were we used a 20X magnifying glass just to see if two seemingly alike stamps were actually different. But we adapt and still enjoy the hobby as much as we ever did.
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"Anyway - 158 pages on another site? maybe 15 stamps per page, 2500 stamps. There's still 100m more so we can do better"
I was rather hoping we could do better in terms of managing the thread, rather than exceeding the number of pages! Something along the lines of dividing threads into parts as we do with 'recent acquisitions', or even diversifying into geographical areas (or maybe 'Slania' and 'The Rest'!). But so far there seems little danger of overload.
Here are three stamps from 1965, when Poland was commemorating the end of the war. As befits a country which felt it had helped win a war, only to lose its identity, the subjects and colours are muted. Nevertheless this series has a dignity which was signally lacking in the Polish 'packet-fodder' stamps of the period.
The words on my first stamp read "Heroes of the struggle for the liberation of Kielce" - a city in central Poland. The Stanley Gibbons attribution states 'Memorial, Holy Cross Mountains', and the memorial still apparently stands, but it has proved difficult to ascertain exactly where! It will be near Kielce.
The words on the tabs are "Struggle and Martyrdom of the Polish Nation in the years 1939-1945".
The words on this one read "Murdered by the Nazis at Plaszow" - the camp outside Krakow which was featured at the beginning of the film Schindler's List. This one still stands, too, as does the one below, the memorial to those "Murdered by the Nazis at Chelmno-on-the-Ner" - Chelmno being one of the more notorious extermination camps.
The engravers, clearly named on the stamp as Tirdiszek, Kowalska and Miller, were part of a team contributing to Polish stamps of the period. I am not working on this area at present, and so have no information about them.
One of the features of this set is the subtle gradation of colours used (which may not come out so well in my scans). They are, from the top, 'deep brown', 'bronze-green', and 'blackish brown'. I hope you like the set, despite its grim nature.
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The Grace Kelly stamps are among my favorites of all time. Simple yet elegant.
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One of my favorite engraved issues is this 1910 set from Chile . Printed by the American Bank Note Company to celebrate the Independence Centenary
It is unfortunate that image size limitations here are so low here. I was wanting to do a page of the day of favorite pages of the world as I have done on a couple other chat boards. However the limitations here are far greater than elsewhere not allowing adequate size scans to be presented. I understand the webmaster having concerns of storage space. But, I feel there should at least be the option to link to an online site/storage space to display a full size (200dpi) page on the board.
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NL947, I much like you Beer stamps. I have never spent any time collecting them but I think they are some of the most beautiful U.S. revenues. About 25 years ago I found one in a mixed auction lot and just put it with some other B.O.B. in a stock book and never paid any attention to it until years later. About five years ago I realized that it was one of the rarer of the Beers. I ran it on Ebay and got around $450 for it with Eric Jackson being the under bidder. I was talking to a collector of Beer stamps last year and he told me there probably were only 3 or 4 that exist and that I probably had had the only used one. In hindsight I probably could have got more for it, but that's the way she goes sometimes and I did not have anything into it.
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Nice thread, Nelson! Here is a pair of Falkland Islands stamps from one of my favorite sets—and they're bi-color, too!
And my avatar from another great set from Belgian Congo!
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I love the iceberg surrounded by red! Gives it a neat contrast.
On the Congo stamp, the guy with the spear missed the first elephant now he's going after the one in the foreground.
-Ernie
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That elephant is a City* elephant, in pinstriped suit!
(But seriously, that is very heavy use of the burin - I presume deliberate, because I don't yet know what marks out a good engraving from a not so good one.)
*The London equivalent of Wall Street, where brokers and traders and hedge-funders and suchlike used to sport pinstripe trousers and bowler hats. Hasn't been like that for a few decades, though. Maybe pinstripes are more associated with baseball in the USA, rather than businessmen?
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Being fairly familiar with the "other" thread mentioned, I'm curious to know how this one could be organized in a more efficient manner?
Everyone loves looking at stamps, but...if there is a way to do it better, let's hear it...
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@Charlie:
edit: NOT @Charlie at all, but @Collin! I was too quick off the mark there, faced with similar usernames.
One way to avoid a massively long thread of this sort is to divide it randomly into parts, as has been done with "Show your most recent acquisitions".
Another might be to shift the thread to a different part of the website devoted solely to illustrations, rather than discussions, of stamps - and then perhaps to separate by country, or even engraver.
A thread like this seems to be popular largely insofar as people like to see pretty pictures - rather than to discuss how the pictures are made, who made them under what conditions, or whether they can be graded according to quality. There's nothing wrong with solely illustrative threads, but there are an awful lot of engraved stamps and no logical reason why every single one should not be included, other than exhaustion - which seems not to have overtaken the 158-page equivalent on Another Forum.
At the very least there could be a separate Stamporama 'topic' of Engraved Stamps, which might then include various threads along whatever lines people wish to follow.
What do people think?
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I find myself puzzled by that response, Nelson; I cannot work out whether you are displeased with my post, or merely found it ironic. My 'pinstripe' comment was entirely relevant to the use of the burin on that image. I'm sorry if you failed to spot that, or even be amused by the humorous way in which the point was made.
The suggestions I made about the potential length of this thread were intended to be helpful.
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Hey nelson, I apologize for side tracking the thread. I'll delete the comment. I sometimes find it difficult to stay solely focused on a narrow topic. I thought guthrum's comment on how the elephant was engraved in such a way as to make him appear to be wearing a pinstriped suit was on topic, my post regarding pinstriped suits falling out of style was not.
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" .... What do people think?...."
Well first off, I think that people who want to refer to a previously posted comment should provide something similar to the above so that subsequent readers can figure out what in going on.
" ... @ Charlie,
One way to avoid a massively long thread of this sort is to divide it randomly into parts, as has been done with "Show your most recent acquisitions". ...."
For instance, since my first name is "Charlie" at first I wondered what I could have written that could be being referred to. It took two scrollings up to he beginning and down to the last post to decide that perhaps the reference is to someone else's post, someone who shares the once very common first name. Or possibly to some stray post in another thread ?
" ... Another might be to shift the thread to a different part of the website. ...."
Possibly I made a comment that was shifted to another thread, but how would I or any reader figure that out without the intervention of Tyche herself or one of her companions ?
Using an identifier such as the "QUOTE" tab featured below will also alleviate some of the complications of following a long meandering thread and minimize the need for splitting things into separate parts while still maintaining some semblance of sanity, as well as helping the mods trying to untie the verbal Gordian knots so often created in threads that become long precisely because of member's interest.
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In my reply above, I have mistaken cdj for cdj1122. My apologies to both.
The 'drifting' issue would be ameliorated by having 'threads within threads', rather as facebook does these days. But I understand that is practically difficult to achieve. As it is, there was a discussion about this on the GB topic (a thread which I started) a couple of months ago, when the consensus seemed to be that a degree of drifting was to be welcomed, or at least tolerated, as the will of the people.
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No worries on this end...you're not the first one to mix up cjd and cdj(1122). It hasn't happened much lately, perhaps because I haven't been around much for quite a while. (This site or that, I'm the one with the KGV avatar.)
In my opinion, you can't be too doctrinaire about threads, or you risk taking all the fun out of it. Sure, an outright hijack is impolite, but a comment here, a comment there...sometimes those become the most interesting part of the thread.
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" ... ...you're not the first one to mix up cjd and cdj(1122). ..."
Shucks, sometimes I get confused and wonder if I really wrote that, and why did I transpose the letters ?
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I just acquired the following set after several years of working on my classic Cayman Island collection. I think it fits with this thread so I thought I would share:
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What happened to Nelson's very nice scans of engraved stamps?!?
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"What happened to Nelson's very nice scans of engraved stamps?!?"
You'll have to ask Nelson.
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These were engraved by José Luis López Sánchez Toda, Spanish engraver (Madrid 1901-1975).
I found the set in blocks of 4 at a local show many years ago. I wasn't looking for them. I wasn't even looking for Spain. I've never collected Spanish stamps. I was simply looking for nice engraved stamps to scan and these popped up! The engraving in the margins added to their appeal. I saw a single online this morning with a different margin engraving attached. I wonder how many different margin engravings there were?
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Absolutely gorgeous!!
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I believe there are only 2 different margin designs for that Spanish set. Here is the other one.
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