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carabop

18 Oct 2015
01:49:17pm
I got this in a packet of stamps. I don't know if it is even a stamp. Can any one help identify this.
Thank you.

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Ningpo
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18 Oct 2015
02:59:14pm
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This certainly isn't a postage stamp; there's no country, value tablet or anything else. This is an heraldic coat of arms.

Going by the flag colours, this may have an Italian origin. But the star at the top is very odd. I would imagine this is a 'fantasy' coat of arms.

Others will probably know more.

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18 Oct 2015
03:02:36pm
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No country name, no value. This does not look to me like a stamp. I'd say it was an Italian royal standard of some sort, rather poorly illustrated. But hey, this is SOR, and someone will have the answer!

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18 Oct 2015
03:15:57pm
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carabop

18 Oct 2015
06:56:19pm
re: Is this a stamp?

Beings this isn't a stamp what does a person do with these things?

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18 Oct 2015
07:09:01pm
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Way to nail it, Roy!

"Beings this isn't a stamp what does a person do with these things?"



This feels like Jeopardy answer, but: "What is a blank album page?"

It being Italian, one could insert a page in front of the Italy section, and ...

Inspired, one could decide to do this for every country ...

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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TribalErnie

18 Oct 2015
07:20:16pm
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Ancillary items like this really dress out a collection great stuff.
-Ernie

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18 Oct 2015
08:56:59pm
re: Is this a stamp?

I would guess it is a Coats of Arms label that were sold to collectors often with flags to put on the title or first page of their country collections.
See here at bottom of page

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18 Oct 2015
11:22:04pm
re: Is this a stamp?

" .... Ancillary items like this really dress out a collection great stuff. ...."

In older copies of the Scott's International Albums, the title of each country was flanked with a place for such stickers on one side and the a place for a sticker showing the national flag on the other. For some countries, there was a place for the then current King or Queen's image on a similar sticker. Or the national who represented the country in the world's eyes, Sun Yat Sen and Kemal Attaturk come to mind.
Then, in the rear of the album there were a series of pages that offered a complete set of these stickers at a nominal price. I have some of those pages for nostalgia's sake. Plus about a year ago I soaked all the stamps, mint and hinged off an old blue International and when these stickers floated to the surface I dried them and put them in a file envelope. I used some of the "Flag stickers" on the spines of some countries' binders.
Depending on the year of printing, Scott also illustrated, tongs (Tweezers), perforation gauges, envelopes of quality hinges for $0.49, watermark trays. glassine interleaving sheets and packets of 50, 100, or more used stamps by country or topic. I believe they also sole various sizes or glassine envelopes and some stock cards.
All that to get the new album owner started or some might say "hooked."
I think there also was a packet with pictures of the then 30 or 31 or so presidents.

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carabop

19 Oct 2015
12:26:29am
re: Is this a stamp?

There is no gum on the back but of course that could of been soaked off but it doesn't look like it. It almost looks like it was cut from stationary. The paper it is on is very thin, thinner then that of a regular piece of paper.

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19 Oct 2015
03:25:53am
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" ... It almost looks like it was cut from stationary. ..."

That could be. I've see very arty national symbols on official documents as well as envelopes from embassy personnel. I have several covers from the Italian Consulate in Thailand or Myanmar to what must have been the correspondents friends in the US that had similar icons.

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michael78651

19 Oct 2015
10:25:04am
re: Is this a stamp?

H.E. Harris, Garcelon, Kenmore, Minkus and several others offered those stickers too. Scott, Harris, Minkus and several other beginner to intermediate albums had spaces for the flags and coats of arms of most countries located at the top of the first page of the country.

I continue that with my Scott album pages. I think it just adds a little something extra to the albums.

I also have the labels for the USA presidents. I placed the label for each president from 1846 onward on the album page for the year that each president came to office. I have the labels for the kings and queens of England. I have those located on a special page at the beginning of my Great Britain pages.

I run across other labels like this, such as for the popes. They can be found now and then in dealer box lots.

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nl1947

19 Oct 2015
02:25:18pm
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A country sticker - all you have to do is explain the following:

1. It does not match the proper coat of arms - only "approximates" it.
2. Who would use this as a country sticker given 1. above and the bad color offset
3. A sticker would not be on such thin paper as described by carabop

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20 Oct 2015
09:21:05am
re: Is this a stamp?

It is very close to the arms of Italy from 1870 to 1890, depicted at the Heraldry of the World site:

http://www.ngw.nl/heraldrywiki/index.php?title=Italy

Especially considering what limited source material a producer might have had to rely on in creating it.


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carabop

18 Oct 2015
01:49:17pm

I got this in a packet of stamps. I don't know if it is even a stamp. Can any one help identify this.
Thank you.

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Ningpo

18 Oct 2015
02:59:14pm

re: Is this a stamp?

This certainly isn't a postage stamp; there's no country, value tablet or anything else. This is an heraldic coat of arms.

Going by the flag colours, this may have an Italian origin. But the star at the top is very odd. I would imagine this is a 'fantasy' coat of arms.

Others will probably know more.

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Guthrum

18 Oct 2015
03:02:36pm

re: Is this a stamp?

No country name, no value. This does not look to me like a stamp. I'd say it was an Italian royal standard of some sort, rather poorly illustrated. But hey, this is SOR, and someone will have the answer!

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18 Oct 2015
03:15:57pm

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18 Oct 2015
06:56:19pm

re: Is this a stamp?

Beings this isn't a stamp what does a person do with these things?

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ikeyPikey

18 Oct 2015
07:09:01pm

re: Is this a stamp?

Way to nail it, Roy!

"Beings this isn't a stamp what does a person do with these things?"



This feels like Jeopardy answer, but: "What is a blank album page?"

It being Italian, one could insert a page in front of the Italy section, and ...

Inspired, one could decide to do this for every country ...

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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TribalErnie

18 Oct 2015
07:20:16pm

re: Is this a stamp?

Ancillary items like this really dress out a collection great stuff.
-Ernie

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AntoniusRa

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18 Oct 2015
08:56:59pm

re: Is this a stamp?

I would guess it is a Coats of Arms label that were sold to collectors often with flags to put on the title or first page of their country collections.
See here at bottom of page

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mitch.seymourfamily. ...

Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
18 Oct 2015
11:22:04pm

re: Is this a stamp?

" .... Ancillary items like this really dress out a collection great stuff. ...."

In older copies of the Scott's International Albums, the title of each country was flanked with a place for such stickers on one side and the a place for a sticker showing the national flag on the other. For some countries, there was a place for the then current King or Queen's image on a similar sticker. Or the national who represented the country in the world's eyes, Sun Yat Sen and Kemal Attaturk come to mind.
Then, in the rear of the album there were a series of pages that offered a complete set of these stickers at a nominal price. I have some of those pages for nostalgia's sake. Plus about a year ago I soaked all the stamps, mint and hinged off an old blue International and when these stickers floated to the surface I dried them and put them in a file envelope. I used some of the "Flag stickers" on the spines of some countries' binders.
Depending on the year of printing, Scott also illustrated, tongs (Tweezers), perforation gauges, envelopes of quality hinges for $0.49, watermark trays. glassine interleaving sheets and packets of 50, 100, or more used stamps by country or topic. I believe they also sole various sizes or glassine envelopes and some stock cards.
All that to get the new album owner started or some might say "hooked."
I think there also was a packet with pictures of the then 30 or 31 or so presidents.

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".... You may think you understood what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. .... "
carabop

19 Oct 2015
12:26:29am

re: Is this a stamp?

There is no gum on the back but of course that could of been soaked off but it doesn't look like it. It almost looks like it was cut from stationary. The paper it is on is very thin, thinner then that of a regular piece of paper.

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
19 Oct 2015
03:25:53am

re: Is this a stamp?

" ... It almost looks like it was cut from stationary. ..."

That could be. I've see very arty national symbols on official documents as well as envelopes from embassy personnel. I have several covers from the Italian Consulate in Thailand or Myanmar to what must have been the correspondents friends in the US that had similar icons.

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".... You may think you understood what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. .... "
michael78651

19 Oct 2015
10:25:04am

re: Is this a stamp?

H.E. Harris, Garcelon, Kenmore, Minkus and several others offered those stickers too. Scott, Harris, Minkus and several other beginner to intermediate albums had spaces for the flags and coats of arms of most countries located at the top of the first page of the country.

I continue that with my Scott album pages. I think it just adds a little something extra to the albums.

I also have the labels for the USA presidents. I placed the label for each president from 1846 onward on the album page for the year that each president came to office. I have the labels for the kings and queens of England. I have those located on a special page at the beginning of my Great Britain pages.

I run across other labels like this, such as for the popes. They can be found now and then in dealer box lots.

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nl1947

19 Oct 2015
02:25:18pm

re: Is this a stamp?

A country sticker - all you have to do is explain the following:

1. It does not match the proper coat of arms - only "approximates" it.
2. Who would use this as a country sticker given 1. above and the bad color offset
3. A sticker would not be on such thin paper as described by carabop

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cjd

20 Oct 2015
09:21:05am

re: Is this a stamp?

It is very close to the arms of Italy from 1870 to 1890, depicted at the Heraldry of the World site:

http://www.ngw.nl/heraldrywiki/index.php?title=Italy

Especially considering what limited source material a producer might have had to rely on in creating it.


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