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General Philatelic/Identify This? : A real US Scott #321 or not??

 

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vjones48
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There is brilliance in simplicity

17 Oct 2015
10:46:14pm
I had put this away in a binder from one of my box lots, thinking it a common
stamp and not paying much attention to it. To my amazement it is not common
fake or not.

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Measured perfs and they seem to be right on 12.

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The number 321 is written on what appears to be a hinge remnant.

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It appears to be Type II. So therefore according to scott cannot be
a 321, correct. A sanity check here, Other than type, what other
ways can one tell that this is a fake?


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18 Oct 2015
01:22:37am
re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

Looks like Type I to me.

How to tell if it's fake? When someone writes 321 on the back, that's when.

Seriously, when it looks like it's been trimmed for one, e.g., from a booklet pane. Right side does not look parallel to design.

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18 Oct 2015
06:18:06am

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re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

This should be interesting - the stamp measures the same top and bottom (I blew it up to 6 inches wide onscreen). Do both vertical edges appear to have been cut by the same method ?

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seanpashby
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18 Oct 2015
11:51:34pm
re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

This may help.

Here

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vjones48
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There is brilliance in simplicity

19 Oct 2015
11:00:42am
re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

Thank you everyone for your inputs.

And thank you Sean for the link. It was really good reading.


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There is brilliance in simplicity

27 Oct 2015
11:44:31am
re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

Does anyone have an idea as to what I should do with this stamp. I do not
care to have a fake in my collection.

Thanks

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27 Oct 2015
11:49:43pm
re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

If after reading as much as you can about it and feel it may be real, send it in for certification. If it comes back genuine, you have a gem. If not, at least you'll know and can remove it.

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vjones48
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There is brilliance in simplicity

28 Oct 2015
12:42:05pm
re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

I will continue to look into it and make a determination as to what I will do with
it. I do not make decision quickly, but like to get as much information before making
a decision.

For instance, does anyone have a recommendation about to whom to get certification?

Is there one locally here in the Dallas Area?

What might a fake such as this bring in trades/price?

Would it ,if a real fake, make sense to donate it to a larger organization so more
collectors would have access? I belong to APS and it looks like they might take
it.

Well, anyway thanks to all for your inputs.

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28 Oct 2015
05:48:47pm
re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

Before you spend money on expertising a stamp that has likely been trimmed, consider these options:

Take a look at what certified copies of #321 look like, learn about the production of this and related issues and how that might help you make a determination yourself, and consider posting this question on other sites to get a wider viewpoint (SCF comes to mind).

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Tom in Exton, PA

28 Oct 2015
08:21:32pm
re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

"Would it ,if a real fake, make sense to donate it to a larger organization so more
collectors would have access?"



Or donate it to the Holocaust Project... they'll glue it into a mosaic. Gone from philately forever! Happy

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vjones48

There is brilliance in simplicity
17 Oct 2015
10:46:14pm

I had put this away in a binder from one of my box lots, thinking it a common
stamp and not paying much attention to it. To my amazement it is not common
fake or not.

Image Not Found

Measured perfs and they seem to be right on 12.

Image Not Found

The number 321 is written on what appears to be a hinge remnant.

Image Not Found

It appears to be Type II. So therefore according to scott cannot be
a 321, correct. A sanity check here, Other than type, what other
ways can one tell that this is a fake?


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" The Devil is in the details"
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HungaryForStamps

18 Oct 2015
01:22:37am

re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

Looks like Type I to me.

How to tell if it's fake? When someone writes 321 on the back, that's when.

Seriously, when it looks like it's been trimmed for one, e.g., from a booklet pane. Right side does not look parallel to design.

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Webpaper

In loving memory of Carol, my wife for 52 years.

18 Oct 2015
06:18:06am

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re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

This should be interesting - the stamp measures the same top and bottom (I blew it up to 6 inches wide onscreen). Do both vertical edges appear to have been cut by the same method ?

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www.hipstamp.com/sto ...
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seanpashby

18 Oct 2015
11:51:34pm

re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

This may help.

Here

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vjones48

There is brilliance in simplicity
19 Oct 2015
11:00:42am

re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

Thank you everyone for your inputs.

And thank you Sean for the link. It was really good reading.


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" The Devil is in the details"
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vjones48

There is brilliance in simplicity
27 Oct 2015
11:44:31am

re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

Does anyone have an idea as to what I should do with this stamp. I do not
care to have a fake in my collection.

Thanks

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" The Devil is in the details"
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seanpashby

27 Oct 2015
11:49:43pm

re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

If after reading as much as you can about it and feel it may be real, send it in for certification. If it comes back genuine, you have a gem. If not, at least you'll know and can remove it.

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vjones48

There is brilliance in simplicity
28 Oct 2015
12:42:05pm

re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

I will continue to look into it and make a determination as to what I will do with
it. I do not make decision quickly, but like to get as much information before making
a decision.

For instance, does anyone have a recommendation about to whom to get certification?

Is there one locally here in the Dallas Area?

What might a fake such as this bring in trades/price?

Would it ,if a real fake, make sense to donate it to a larger organization so more
collectors would have access? I belong to APS and it looks like they might take
it.

Well, anyway thanks to all for your inputs.

Like
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" The Devil is in the details"
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HungaryForStamps

28 Oct 2015
05:48:47pm

re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

Before you spend money on expertising a stamp that has likely been trimmed, consider these options:

Take a look at what certified copies of #321 look like, learn about the production of this and related issues and how that might help you make a determination yourself, and consider posting this question on other sites to get a wider viewpoint (SCF comes to mind).

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BenFranklin1902

Tom in Exton, PA
28 Oct 2015
08:21:32pm

re: A real US Scott #321 or not??

"Would it ,if a real fake, make sense to donate it to a larger organization so more
collectors would have access?"



Or donate it to the Holocaust Project... they'll glue it into a mosaic. Gone from philately forever! Happy

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"Check out my eBay Stuff! Username Turtles-Trading-Post"
        

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