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Good afternoon! I have hundreds of postcards my great grandfather sent home while he searched the world for gold from 1895 -1918 and I'm hoping the wonderful group here can be of help to me. Here is of his last which was sent from Japan. Can anyone explain the dates. The one over the stamp reads 6.9.8 while the one from Tokyo shows 10.9.17? The date on the note indicates Sept 6th. Can anyone confirm when this was sent? Because he travelled continuously, his postcards are my only way of placing him in time.
My sincere thanks, Bill
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I cannot make out the city in the cancel on the stamp. The first 3 characters along the top arc appear to be "é–“è˜å®", but I am unable to match that to any city.
However, the date of mailing is 6Sep1919 (Taisho year 8 = 1919).
Looks like it transit through Tokyo on 10Sep. I don't think the year number is actually 17, since Taisho 17 doesn't exist (ends at 15). The spots for the year numbers is smudged/blocked, so my guess is that it's either a missing block or damaged block.
Dave would be much better help on this.
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" ... However, the date of mailing is 6Sep1919 (Taisho year 8 = 1919). ..."
Just to amplify the numbering a bit, Japanese stamps of that era are counted from the Emperor's accession and a new count is started when he passed away. Just one of he details that make collecting early Japan so interesting.
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Sorry to take a while to get to this. Had a couple of conferences to attend and some deadlines to hit.
I think the date of the Japanese postmark is September 8, 1917, and the date of the Tokyo postmark is September 10, 1917.
I think that last year digit is a "7" -- in fact, that was my guess for it before I looked at the other data to try to triangulate it.
Also, 1917 is Taisho 6 in the Japanese regnal date system, so this makes sense. I tried to play with image enhancement a little bit, but I don't see that's even really necessary, because 1917 makes sense here.
Additionally, the 4-sen stamp came out early (either 1913 or 1914, depending on the paper) in the run of Tazawa stamps, which with all of their variations ran from 1913-1937, I believe.
A couple of questions:
(1) Would you be willing to scan in the Japanese stamp and its cancel at a high resolution (say, somewhere in the 600-1200 dpi range?). With that, I can see if I can determine which paper type it is, although it may still not be possible. And I'd be happy to try to figure out the town name of the cancel, but I just can't read enough of it to be confident of any kind of identification of it. (I even tried to use interpolation algorithms to enlarge it in Photoshop and it didn't really help.)
(2) Would you be willing to scan in the back of the card? I'd just like to see it!
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How great that you have this correspondence from your grandfather! What a truly special gift that is!
Hope this was a little bit helpful,
-- Dave
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I should've added that the higher dpi scan might be too large a file size for the board to just upload here on the thread.
If that's the case, please feel free to message me through the system. I don't use it enough to recall, but if you can send an attachment through that, great -- and if not, just use it to ask for my regular email address (if it's not already available on the profile).
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Thanks for pointing out the "6" should be the Taisho year, Dave!
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Thank you so very much Dave. I will forward a 1200 dpi scan to you of both front and back to your email address as I'm pretty sure the site reduced the resolution of my first post. Sincerely, Bill
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Good afternoon! I have hundreds of postcards my great grandfather sent home while he searched the world for gold from 1895 -1918 and I'm hoping the wonderful group here can be of help to me. Here is of his last which was sent from Japan. Can anyone explain the dates. The one over the stamp reads 6.9.8 while the one from Tokyo shows 10.9.17? The date on the note indicates Sept 6th. Can anyone confirm when this was sent? Because he travelled continuously, his postcards are my only way of placing him in time.
My sincere thanks, Bill
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I cannot make out the city in the cancel on the stamp. The first 3 characters along the top arc appear to be "é–“è˜å®", but I am unable to match that to any city.
However, the date of mailing is 6Sep1919 (Taisho year 8 = 1919).
Looks like it transit through Tokyo on 10Sep. I don't think the year number is actually 17, since Taisho 17 doesn't exist (ends at 15). The spots for the year numbers is smudged/blocked, so my guess is that it's either a missing block or damaged block.
Dave would be much better help on this.
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re: Japanese stamp tied to family tree...
" ... However, the date of mailing is 6Sep1919 (Taisho year 8 = 1919). ..."
Just to amplify the numbering a bit, Japanese stamps of that era are counted from the Emperor's accession and a new count is started when he passed away. Just one of he details that make collecting early Japan so interesting.
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re: Japanese stamp tied to family tree...
Sorry to take a while to get to this. Had a couple of conferences to attend and some deadlines to hit.
I think the date of the Japanese postmark is September 8, 1917, and the date of the Tokyo postmark is September 10, 1917.
I think that last year digit is a "7" -- in fact, that was my guess for it before I looked at the other data to try to triangulate it.
Also, 1917 is Taisho 6 in the Japanese regnal date system, so this makes sense. I tried to play with image enhancement a little bit, but I don't see that's even really necessary, because 1917 makes sense here.
Additionally, the 4-sen stamp came out early (either 1913 or 1914, depending on the paper) in the run of Tazawa stamps, which with all of their variations ran from 1913-1937, I believe.
A couple of questions:
(1) Would you be willing to scan in the Japanese stamp and its cancel at a high resolution (say, somewhere in the 600-1200 dpi range?). With that, I can see if I can determine which paper type it is, although it may still not be possible. And I'd be happy to try to figure out the town name of the cancel, but I just can't read enough of it to be confident of any kind of identification of it. (I even tried to use interpolation algorithms to enlarge it in Photoshop and it didn't really help.)
(2) Would you be willing to scan in the back of the card? I'd just like to see it!
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How great that you have this correspondence from your grandfather! What a truly special gift that is!
Hope this was a little bit helpful,
-- Dave
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re: Japanese stamp tied to family tree...
I should've added that the higher dpi scan might be too large a file size for the board to just upload here on the thread.
If that's the case, please feel free to message me through the system. I don't use it enough to recall, but if you can send an attachment through that, great -- and if not, just use it to ask for my regular email address (if it's not already available on the profile).
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Thanks for pointing out the "6" should be the Taisho year, Dave!
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Thank you so very much Dave. I will forward a 1200 dpi scan to you of both front and back to your email address as I'm pretty sure the site reduced the resolution of my first post. Sincerely, Bill
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re: Japanese stamp tied to family tree...
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http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/date.cgi
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