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General Philatelic/Supplies, Literature & Software : Amos Publications- Special Orders

 

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04 Sep 2015
03:55:31pm
Just a heads up. If any of you are contemplating ordering Scott album pages from Amos Press be sure to be aware that some of them are not currently available and Amos reprints them to order but not exactly on a fast track. I ordered a set of pages last week by calling customer service, I was asked to call back this week to give them my charge information, which i thought would mean they were ready to mail them. Turns out according to the person I spoke with there will be a 6-8 week delay! She could offer no information why.

I thought the procedure was that they would reprint on demand- meaning if someone ordered something they'd run it off in a few days. Apparently they wait for additional orders to come in, maybe to make it more cost efficient.

So if you say, meant to order a page set as a gift for the Holidays, a birthday or whatever, and that is showing as out of print- be aware you may not get it for quite awhile.
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04 Sep 2015
05:06:00pm
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I believe that the Scott album pages are now run off individually on high speed copiers (like Xerox or Canon or...) using toner instead of printers ink. Scott had a sale of a package deal several months ago for pages for Canada including binders, supplements, Scott 2014 catalog, etc. As I was assembling it all and adding my used stamps, I could see an occasional small splotch of, in my opinion, toner. The copier used was in need of some minor maintenance. That made me wonder if Scott has done any testing of long term effects of toner on album pages.

Another note - did anyone receive the 2014 Canada Scott supplement? Who the heck designs these? Look at the page containing #2727. Not sure how I can cram the SS into that tiny space? Anyway, time to give Amos a call.

I have been in the copier/printer business for over 30 years, happily retired now. So I tend to see small imperfections when copiers are used for the finished product.

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michael78651

04 Sep 2015
07:09:29pm
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Scott has yet to grasp what "print on demand" really means. They are trying to be a 21st Century company using a 20th Century mentality.

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04 Sep 2015
11:21:32pm
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A couple years back i ordered a 'print on demand' set of pages that arrived so badly done that I sent them back for a refund- and got it. The paper stock looked different than what I already had in their albums and the illustrations were like black blobs- it looked like something they took to a cheap copy shop and ran off.

Oh yes, I just noted they already have run a charge through on my credit card- their stated policy is not to do this until shipmemt.

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Tom in Exton, PA

04 Sep 2015
11:59:06pm
re: Amos Publications- Special Orders

I read this thread and it echoes my concern about printing your own pages. I have been away from the hobby for 30 plus years, from back in the era where we typed our album and exhibit pages. As I got back to the hobby today, and being pretty tech savvy, I thought it would be great to use modern programs to design my pages.. then I questioned... how would modern copiers age over time?

I look at some of my stuff from 30 years ago and I see where the copier technology of that time has ink transferred to binders and clear plastic pages. Even some stamps have left images on manila stock pages. So I don't want to print Steiner pages, and hinge stamps directly over print. As I asked this question on this board, I didn't get any response. Anyone?

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05 Sep 2015
12:17:49am
re: Amos Publications- Special Orders

That transference occurs with printers that use toner. It does not occur with printers that use ink. The issue with ink is that some ink contains acid.

I have labels that I printed around 30 years ago. I used red and blank ink. There has been no degradation of the colors, and no acid reaction to the label paper has occurred. One would think that there would have been a higher level of acid in the ink manufactured that long ago compared to today.

My son houses his collection on Steiner pages. He prints his pages out on a printer that uses toner. He has not seen any problems thus far with what he has printed. He's been printing his pages for around five years now.

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michael78651

05 Sep 2015
12:21:07am
re: Amos Publications- Special Orders

Sorry, I missed your question.

I would not directly mount a stamp to any printed page that was printed with toner. Think of old album pages where the stamps were affixed with hinges. On some of those, the image in the space where the stamp was mounted transferred to the back of the stamp. I think you'll risk that with a toner printed page. With an ink printed page I think it would depend if the ink contained acid.

I use mounts on all my stamps placed in my albums.

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Tom in Exton, PA

05 Sep 2015
12:10:21pm
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"My son houses his collection on Steiner pages. He prints his pages out on a printer that uses toner. He has not seen any problems thus far with what he has printed. He's been printing his pages for around five years now."



Exactly my concern. There are two basic types of printer today. Ink Jet and Laser Jet, with the Ink Jet being the predominate one found in homes. If you go to Staples and order printing, it's being done on a huge Laser Jet printer, pretty much a Xerox machine, since the art of commercial printing using plates and ink is long lost. I believe people who have had album pages printed at Staples got this.

I just took something I printed on my Canon Ink Jet last week and put it under water and the ink didn't run or distort, so that's one worry solved. It is ink on paper so depending on the acid content in the ink, these may be okay.

I worry about the Laser Jets since that is a powder media, aka chemicals, that can react with things over time, maybe softens up with heat? I know I've seen many Xerox printed pages stuck to vinyl binder covers and clear report covers.



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05 Sep 2015
12:45:22pm
re: Amos Publications- Special Orders

Here is a link to an Australian government website regarding archiving and toners.

http://naa.gov.au/records-management/agency/preserve/physical-preservation/photocopies-and-laser-prints.aspx

Have not found one yet for old photocopies but from memory the earlier ones faded with time, unless permanent ink was used.

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05 Sep 2015
07:05:29pm
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Old copies printed with xerographic toner do not fade. The paper yellows first. I have some copies from 1970 that look as good as when copied. Now, back then, the copies didn't look that great to start with. There were a number of other processes used to make copies, treated papers, sensitive papers, hectograph, etc. Some of those fade, some fairly quickly. Xerox held the patents for the xerographic process for many years and other manufacturers had to devise different methods to compete. Most didn't last too long.

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04 Sep 2015
03:55:31pm

Just a heads up. If any of you are contemplating ordering Scott album pages from Amos Press be sure to be aware that some of them are not currently available and Amos reprints them to order but not exactly on a fast track. I ordered a set of pages last week by calling customer service, I was asked to call back this week to give them my charge information, which i thought would mean they were ready to mail them. Turns out according to the person I spoke with there will be a 6-8 week delay! She could offer no information why.

I thought the procedure was that they would reprint on demand- meaning if someone ordered something they'd run it off in a few days. Apparently they wait for additional orders to come in, maybe to make it more cost efficient.

So if you say, meant to order a page set as a gift for the Holidays, a birthday or whatever, and that is showing as out of print- be aware you may not get it for quite awhile.

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04 Sep 2015
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re: Amos Publications- Special Orders

I believe that the Scott album pages are now run off individually on high speed copiers (like Xerox or Canon or...) using toner instead of printers ink. Scott had a sale of a package deal several months ago for pages for Canada including binders, supplements, Scott 2014 catalog, etc. As I was assembling it all and adding my used stamps, I could see an occasional small splotch of, in my opinion, toner. The copier used was in need of some minor maintenance. That made me wonder if Scott has done any testing of long term effects of toner on album pages.

Another note - did anyone receive the 2014 Canada Scott supplement? Who the heck designs these? Look at the page containing #2727. Not sure how I can cram the SS into that tiny space? Anyway, time to give Amos a call.

I have been in the copier/printer business for over 30 years, happily retired now. So I tend to see small imperfections when copiers are used for the finished product.

Tad

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michael78651

04 Sep 2015
07:09:29pm

re: Amos Publications- Special Orders

Scott has yet to grasp what "print on demand" really means. They are trying to be a 21st Century company using a 20th Century mentality.

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04 Sep 2015
11:21:32pm

re: Amos Publications- Special Orders

A couple years back i ordered a 'print on demand' set of pages that arrived so badly done that I sent them back for a refund- and got it. The paper stock looked different than what I already had in their albums and the illustrations were like black blobs- it looked like something they took to a cheap copy shop and ran off.

Oh yes, I just noted they already have run a charge through on my credit card- their stated policy is not to do this until shipmemt.

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Tom in Exton, PA
04 Sep 2015
11:59:06pm

re: Amos Publications- Special Orders

I read this thread and it echoes my concern about printing your own pages. I have been away from the hobby for 30 plus years, from back in the era where we typed our album and exhibit pages. As I got back to the hobby today, and being pretty tech savvy, I thought it would be great to use modern programs to design my pages.. then I questioned... how would modern copiers age over time?

I look at some of my stuff from 30 years ago and I see where the copier technology of that time has ink transferred to binders and clear plastic pages. Even some stamps have left images on manila stock pages. So I don't want to print Steiner pages, and hinge stamps directly over print. As I asked this question on this board, I didn't get any response. Anyone?

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michael78651

05 Sep 2015
12:17:49am

re: Amos Publications- Special Orders

That transference occurs with printers that use toner. It does not occur with printers that use ink. The issue with ink is that some ink contains acid.

I have labels that I printed around 30 years ago. I used red and blank ink. There has been no degradation of the colors, and no acid reaction to the label paper has occurred. One would think that there would have been a higher level of acid in the ink manufactured that long ago compared to today.

My son houses his collection on Steiner pages. He prints his pages out on a printer that uses toner. He has not seen any problems thus far with what he has printed. He's been printing his pages for around five years now.

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michael78651

05 Sep 2015
12:21:07am

re: Amos Publications- Special Orders

Sorry, I missed your question.

I would not directly mount a stamp to any printed page that was printed with toner. Think of old album pages where the stamps were affixed with hinges. On some of those, the image in the space where the stamp was mounted transferred to the back of the stamp. I think you'll risk that with a toner printed page. With an ink printed page I think it would depend if the ink contained acid.

I use mounts on all my stamps placed in my albums.

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Tom in Exton, PA
05 Sep 2015
12:10:21pm

re: Amos Publications- Special Orders

"My son houses his collection on Steiner pages. He prints his pages out on a printer that uses toner. He has not seen any problems thus far with what he has printed. He's been printing his pages for around five years now."



Exactly my concern. There are two basic types of printer today. Ink Jet and Laser Jet, with the Ink Jet being the predominate one found in homes. If you go to Staples and order printing, it's being done on a huge Laser Jet printer, pretty much a Xerox machine, since the art of commercial printing using plates and ink is long lost. I believe people who have had album pages printed at Staples got this.

I just took something I printed on my Canon Ink Jet last week and put it under water and the ink didn't run or distort, so that's one worry solved. It is ink on paper so depending on the acid content in the ink, these may be okay.

I worry about the Laser Jets since that is a powder media, aka chemicals, that can react with things over time, maybe softens up with heat? I know I've seen many Xerox printed pages stuck to vinyl binder covers and clear report covers.



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05 Sep 2015
12:45:22pm

re: Amos Publications- Special Orders

Here is a link to an Australian government website regarding archiving and toners.

http://naa.gov.au/records-management/agency/preserve/physical-preservation/photocopies-and-laser-prints.aspx

Have not found one yet for old photocopies but from memory the earlier ones faded with time, unless permanent ink was used.

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05 Sep 2015
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re: Amos Publications- Special Orders

Old copies printed with xerographic toner do not fade. The paper yellows first. I have some copies from 1970 that look as good as when copied. Now, back then, the copies didn't look that great to start with. There were a number of other processes used to make copies, treated papers, sensitive papers, hectograph, etc. Some of those fade, some fairly quickly. Xerox held the patents for the xerographic process for many years and other manufacturers had to devise different methods to compete. Most didn't last too long.

Tad

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