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bemianbill

29 Aug 2015
01:03:22pm
Can't seem to find location in Scott. Thanks for your help.Image Not Found

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29 Aug 2015
05:49:39pm
re: Need help identifing Ajman State

Scott does not list these stamps.

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michael78651

29 Aug 2015
05:50:11pm
re: Need help identifing Ajman State

These are not listed in Scott or any other catalog. They were "issued" without authorization for the tourist trade after the so-called Sand Dune sheikdoms merged to form the United Arab Emirates.

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29 Aug 2015
08:59:44pm
re: Need help identifing Ajman State

Got some of these as well somewhere.
From Gibbons 1992/3 Simplified the appendix at the end of Ajman proper (1964-67) reads as follows:-
From June 1967 very many stamps were made by a succession of agencies which had been awarded contracts by the Ruler, sometimes two agencies operating at the same time. Several contradictory statements were made as to the validity of some of these issues which appeared 1967-72 and for this reason they are only listed in abbreviated form.

There is then a list of issues by year at the end of which is a further statement:-

Many other issues were released between 1 September 1971 and 1 August 1972 but their authenticity has been denied by the Ajman Postmaster -General. Certain issues of 1967-69 exist overprinted to commemorate other events but the Postmaster-General states that these are unofficial. Ajman joined the UAE on 1 August 1972 and Ministry of Communications assumed responsibility for the postal services. Further stamps inscribed “Ajman” issued after that date were released without authority and have no validity.

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bamra1

30 Aug 2015
07:38:14am
re: Need help identifing Ajman State

"These are not listed in Scott OR ANY OTHER CATALOGUE."



On the contrary, they are listed in Michel. However the listings there are rather perfunctory, which causes problems.

Let's start with the easier ones - the space rockets. These are from a sheet of twenty five 3 dirham stamps (all different) issued on 1st July 1972 - 5 each of space, birds, animals, football and Olympics. The five space stamps are numbered 2503-2507. But in what order?

I don't collect Ajman itself, but on the analogy of the almost identical set produced for the dependency of Manama, I am pretty confident that they were numbered not from their position in the sheet of 25, but from their position in the miniature sheet which was produced separately for each of the 5 'sets'.

This would give your four the numbers: 2505 (orange), 2506 (purple), 2503 (blue)and 2507 (green), leaving 2504 for the violet one which you are missing.

Now for the far more complex question of the uniforms. They are from a sheet issued in 1972 consisting of 56 (8x7) 1 riyal stamps all different and printed in both yellow (yours) and green. Of these you have se tenant pairs made up of the following positions on the plate (in the order in which you illustrate them): 35&43, 33&41, 34&42 and 36&44 The stamps in the sheet are given the Michel numbers 2257-2312.

So far, so good. But the problem is that the Michel numbers do not correspond to the positions on plate. To give an example the position 33 stamp, which is Sudan, is Michel 2311 which is the 55th not the 33rd stamp in the listing. The Michel listing consists only of the number and the name of the country whose uniform is illustrated; but the country name does not appear on the stamp! This would be reasonably easy to sort out if every uniform was from a different country but seven of the listings say only 'France', and another six 'England'.

There is a possible way of cracking this code by using other Ajman Uniform issues, but it is likely to take me a long time.



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michael78651

30 Aug 2015
09:02:30am
re: Need help identifing Ajman State

Thanks for that information. I missed those in the catalog. It does get confusing with the issues after the UAE canceled the contracts.

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bamra1

30 Aug 2015
05:31:48pm
re: Need help identifing Ajman State

Ok, it's taken me all day, but I've pretty much sorted it. There are a few tiny wrinkles in it, so I won't publish the full list until I have ironed them out. But none of them affect the section of the sheet where Bemianbill's stamps come from. Therefore I'll put those out now in the following format: plate position - Michel no. - what Michel lists them as – and (in brackets) what they actually are.

First pair
Pos 35 M2261 England (1st Royal Dragoons 1939)
Pos 43 M2288 Russia (Pavlov Regiment 1900)

Second Pair
Pos. 33 M2311 Sudan (Sudanese dervish 1880)
Pos 41 M2286 Netherlands (6th Hussars of Holland 1823)

Third Pair
Pos 34 M2312 Senegal (Senegalese parachutist)
Pos 42 M2287 Saxony (Ulan Marshall, which I think is a cavalry officer, 1745)

Fourth pair
Pos 36 M2262 England!!!!!!!! (Royal Highland Fusileers, Scotland)
Pos 44 M2289 Romania!!!!!!! (Death Battalion of the Roman Republic 1849 – May to July to be precise; that's as long as it lasted.)

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30 Aug 2015
07:26:27pm
re: Need help identifing Ajman State

Along with most serious collectors I attach little to no validity or value to dunes. However through the years. I have amassed many thousands of them usually from box lots. About a month ago I placed a small bid on a mixed lot of pages of stamps that had this sheet in it. I thought it was kind of interesting but it's still sitting on my desk waiting for me to figure out where to put it. At least I can now attach a year of issue and catalog numbers to it.
The stamps are quite small and this was the largest scan I could get to post.
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30 Aug 2015
09:59:09pm
re: Need help identifing Ajman State

to confirm Derek's ID, Uhlan IS cavalry, specifically lancers, and always Germanic. They were used as shock troops; Marshall is the highest military rank in many nations' armies.


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bemianbill

29 Aug 2015
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Can't seem to find location in Scott. Thanks for your help.Image Not Found

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khj

29 Aug 2015
05:49:39pm

re: Need help identifing Ajman State

Scott does not list these stamps.

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michael78651

29 Aug 2015
05:50:11pm

re: Need help identifing Ajman State

These are not listed in Scott or any other catalog. They were "issued" without authorization for the tourist trade after the so-called Sand Dune sheikdoms merged to form the United Arab Emirates.

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sheepshanks

29 Aug 2015
08:59:44pm

re: Need help identifing Ajman State

Got some of these as well somewhere.
From Gibbons 1992/3 Simplified the appendix at the end of Ajman proper (1964-67) reads as follows:-
From June 1967 very many stamps were made by a succession of agencies which had been awarded contracts by the Ruler, sometimes two agencies operating at the same time. Several contradictory statements were made as to the validity of some of these issues which appeared 1967-72 and for this reason they are only listed in abbreviated form.

There is then a list of issues by year at the end of which is a further statement:-

Many other issues were released between 1 September 1971 and 1 August 1972 but their authenticity has been denied by the Ajman Postmaster -General. Certain issues of 1967-69 exist overprinted to commemorate other events but the Postmaster-General states that these are unofficial. Ajman joined the UAE on 1 August 1972 and Ministry of Communications assumed responsibility for the postal services. Further stamps inscribed “Ajman” issued after that date were released without authority and have no validity.

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bamra1

30 Aug 2015
07:38:14am

re: Need help identifing Ajman State

"These are not listed in Scott OR ANY OTHER CATALOGUE."



On the contrary, they are listed in Michel. However the listings there are rather perfunctory, which causes problems.

Let's start with the easier ones - the space rockets. These are from a sheet of twenty five 3 dirham stamps (all different) issued on 1st July 1972 - 5 each of space, birds, animals, football and Olympics. The five space stamps are numbered 2503-2507. But in what order?

I don't collect Ajman itself, but on the analogy of the almost identical set produced for the dependency of Manama, I am pretty confident that they were numbered not from their position in the sheet of 25, but from their position in the miniature sheet which was produced separately for each of the 5 'sets'.

This would give your four the numbers: 2505 (orange), 2506 (purple), 2503 (blue)and 2507 (green), leaving 2504 for the violet one which you are missing.

Now for the far more complex question of the uniforms. They are from a sheet issued in 1972 consisting of 56 (8x7) 1 riyal stamps all different and printed in both yellow (yours) and green. Of these you have se tenant pairs made up of the following positions on the plate (in the order in which you illustrate them): 35&43, 33&41, 34&42 and 36&44 The stamps in the sheet are given the Michel numbers 2257-2312.

So far, so good. But the problem is that the Michel numbers do not correspond to the positions on plate. To give an example the position 33 stamp, which is Sudan, is Michel 2311 which is the 55th not the 33rd stamp in the listing. The Michel listing consists only of the number and the name of the country whose uniform is illustrated; but the country name does not appear on the stamp! This would be reasonably easy to sort out if every uniform was from a different country but seven of the listings say only 'France', and another six 'England'.

There is a possible way of cracking this code by using other Ajman Uniform issues, but it is likely to take me a long time.



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michael78651

30 Aug 2015
09:02:30am

re: Need help identifing Ajman State

Thanks for that information. I missed those in the catalog. It does get confusing with the issues after the UAE canceled the contracts.

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bamra1

30 Aug 2015
05:31:48pm

re: Need help identifing Ajman State

Ok, it's taken me all day, but I've pretty much sorted it. There are a few tiny wrinkles in it, so I won't publish the full list until I have ironed them out. But none of them affect the section of the sheet where Bemianbill's stamps come from. Therefore I'll put those out now in the following format: plate position - Michel no. - what Michel lists them as – and (in brackets) what they actually are.

First pair
Pos 35 M2261 England (1st Royal Dragoons 1939)
Pos 43 M2288 Russia (Pavlov Regiment 1900)

Second Pair
Pos. 33 M2311 Sudan (Sudanese dervish 1880)
Pos 41 M2286 Netherlands (6th Hussars of Holland 1823)

Third Pair
Pos 34 M2312 Senegal (Senegalese parachutist)
Pos 42 M2287 Saxony (Ulan Marshall, which I think is a cavalry officer, 1745)

Fourth pair
Pos 36 M2262 England!!!!!!!! (Royal Highland Fusileers, Scotland)
Pos 44 M2289 Romania!!!!!!! (Death Battalion of the Roman Republic 1849 – May to July to be precise; that's as long as it lasted.)

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AntoniusRa

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30 Aug 2015
07:26:27pm

re: Need help identifing Ajman State

Along with most serious collectors I attach little to no validity or value to dunes. However through the years. I have amassed many thousands of them usually from box lots. About a month ago I placed a small bid on a mixed lot of pages of stamps that had this sheet in it. I thought it was kind of interesting but it's still sitting on my desk waiting for me to figure out where to put it. At least I can now attach a year of issue and catalog numbers to it.
The stamps are quite small and this was the largest scan I could get to post.
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30 Aug 2015
09:59:09pm

re: Need help identifing Ajman State

to confirm Derek's ID, Uhlan IS cavalry, specifically lancers, and always Germanic. They were used as shock troops; Marshall is the highest military rank in many nations' armies.


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