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Thanks, and hope you have a great weekend,
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They are Chinese.
Before they were overprinted the blue stamp was a $27 airmail issued in 1946 showing an aircraft flying over the mausoleum of Sun Yat Sen, the founder of the Chinese Republic. The red stamp was a 30c airmail issued about 1940, showing a plane flying over the Great Wall.
After the end of WW2, with a civil war going on, there was hyper-inflation in China. So on 30th June 1948 these two stamps were reissued overprinted with a denomination of $10000.
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An overprint that changes the face value of a stamp is called a "surcharge".
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Paul,
the late 40s are a fascinating philatelic period in China, very similar to the post-Csarist period in Russia. While there was a "China" before Mao's Communists took control, it was more a conglomoration of loosely tied warlords, not unlike current day Afghanistan
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"An overprint that changes the face value of a stamp is called a "surcharge"
Unless you are French in which case EVERY overprint is a surcharge.
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Thank you all kindly for the wonderful education again! In addition its great to learn the correct terminology too, so thank you michael78651. Just curious, $27 seems a pretty high price back then for an airmail stamp. Would that have got you international air mail service, or just within China? Thanks,
Paul.
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The stamp currency was in Chinese Yuan (not the current Chinese Yuan), not US dollars.
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01:15:32pm
There are Belgian Stamps overprinted "-10%" which I suppose would be a negative surcharge ?
Is their a neat word for a discounted overprint ?
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In case anybody was wondering, the "-10%" surcharge is on Belgium #365-367(1946) in the Scott catalog. The Leopold III stamps of 1944 were surcharged to reflect the reduced post-war postage rate. Scott only assigns 3 catalog numbers. But because of the local overprints, there are actually over 10000 documented surcharge varieties.
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"... which I suppose would be a negative surcharge ? "
I believe the correct philatelic term for that is a "discharge."
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"Be sure to tip your waiter"
plus or minus 10%
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08:37:58pm
"..... the correct philatelic term for that is a "discharge." ....."
Hmmmm, that sounds gross.
I wondered about a good antonym for surcharge, but didn't consider "Discharge" since it seems to imply disposing the entire charge, rather than a part.
"Semi-discharge" might be closer to a 10% reduction, but that seems even more gross.
Is "discharge" in common use ?
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My tongue was entirely in my cheek. The wordplay was just staring me in the face, begging to be used, and I failed to resist the temptation.
I am sorry about any confusion I caused.
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06:06:35pm
I guess I loft off the smiley face.
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Whew!
I already had some trepidation about my post in the first place, and then when I thought it was being taken seriously, I thought it would be be best for me to just delete the whole thing.
(And then I hoped with the server migration that maybe this thread would just fade into oblivion.)
All's well that ends well!
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Serves us right for taking you seriously!
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These stamps are from China. Issued in May 1948
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Evening All. (At least it is evening here, in the far North!) I have these two stamps in my collection and I was wondering if somebody here might be able to help with some identification? So far I have managed to figure out that they are most likely from some country in Asia . . . . . and that's about it. I think they have an 'overprint' on them too. Here they are:
Thanks, and hope you have a great weekend,
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03:37:23am
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
They are Chinese.
Before they were overprinted the blue stamp was a $27 airmail issued in 1946 showing an aircraft flying over the mausoleum of Sun Yat Sen, the founder of the Chinese Republic. The red stamp was a 30c airmail issued about 1940, showing a plane flying over the Great Wall.
After the end of WW2, with a civil war going on, there was hyper-inflation in China. So on 30th June 1948 these two stamps were reissued overprinted with a denomination of $10000.
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10:51:28am
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
An overprint that changes the face value of a stamp is called a "surcharge".
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re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
Paul,
the late 40s are a fascinating philatelic period in China, very similar to the post-Csarist period in Russia. While there was a "China" before Mao's Communists took control, it was more a conglomoration of loosely tied warlords, not unlike current day Afghanistan
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01:54:03pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
"An overprint that changes the face value of a stamp is called a "surcharge"
Unless you are French in which case EVERY overprint is a surcharge.
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re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
Thank you all kindly for the wonderful education again! In addition its great to learn the correct terminology too, so thank you michael78651. Just curious, $27 seems a pretty high price back then for an airmail stamp. Would that have got you international air mail service, or just within China? Thanks,
Paul.
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re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
The stamp currency was in Chinese Yuan (not the current Chinese Yuan), not US dollars.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
07 Aug 2015
01:15:32pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
There are Belgian Stamps overprinted "-10%" which I suppose would be a negative surcharge ?
Is their a neat word for a discounted overprint ?
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re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
In case anybody was wondering, the "-10%" surcharge is on Belgium #365-367(1946) in the Scott catalog. The Leopold III stamps of 1944 were surcharged to reflect the reduced post-war postage rate. Scott only assigns 3 catalog numbers. But because of the local overprints, there are actually over 10000 documented surcharge varieties.
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re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
"... which I suppose would be a negative surcharge ? "
I believe the correct philatelic term for that is a "discharge."
- - - - -
Sorry.
("I'll be here all week, folks. Be sure to tip your waiter.")
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re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
"Be sure to tip your waiter"
plus or minus 10%
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
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08:37:58pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
"..... the correct philatelic term for that is a "discharge." ....."
Hmmmm, that sounds gross.
I wondered about a good antonym for surcharge, but didn't consider "Discharge" since it seems to imply disposing the entire charge, rather than a part.
"Semi-discharge" might be closer to a 10% reduction, but that seems even more gross.
Is "discharge" in common use ?
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re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
My tongue was entirely in my cheek. The wordplay was just staring me in the face, begging to be used, and I failed to resist the temptation.
I am sorry about any confusion I caused.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
09 Aug 2015
06:06:35pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
I guess I loft off the smiley face.
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re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
Whew!
I already had some trepidation about my post in the first place, and then when I thought it was being taken seriously, I thought it would be be best for me to just delete the whole thing.
(And then I hoped with the server migration that maybe this thread would just fade into oblivion.)
All's well that ends well!
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re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
Serves us right for taking you seriously!
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09:43:42pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?
These stamps are from China. Issued in May 1948
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