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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

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Cattywumpuss
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01 Aug 2015
01:22:17am
Evening All. (At least it is evening here, in the far North!) I have these two stamps in my collection and I was wondering if somebody here might be able to help with some identification? So far I have managed to figure out that they are most likely from some country in Asia . . . . . and that's about it. I think they have an 'overprint' on them too. Here they are:

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Thanks, and hope you have a great weekend,

Paul.

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bamra1
01 Aug 2015
03:37:23am
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

They are Chinese.

Before they were overprinted the blue stamp was a $27 airmail issued in 1946 showing an aircraft flying over the mausoleum of Sun Yat Sen, the founder of the Chinese Republic. The red stamp was a 30c airmail issued about 1940, showing a plane flying over the Great Wall.

After the end of WW2, with a civil war going on, there was hyper-inflation in China. So on 30th June 1948 these two stamps were reissued overprinted with a denomination of $10000.

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01 Aug 2015
10:51:28am
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

An overprint that changes the face value of a stamp is called a "surcharge".

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01 Aug 2015
01:49:05pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

Paul,

the late 40s are a fascinating philatelic period in China, very similar to the post-Csarist period in Russia. While there was a "China" before Mao's Communists took control, it was more a conglomoration of loosely tied warlords, not unlike current day Afghanistan


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bamra1
01 Aug 2015
01:54:03pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

"An overprint that changes the face value of a stamp is called a "surcharge"

Unless you are French in which case EVERY overprint is a surcharge.Happy

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02 Aug 2015
02:54:31am
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

Thank you all kindly for the wonderful education again! In addition its great to learn the correct terminology too, so thank you michael78651. Just curious, $27 seems a pretty high price back then for an airmail stamp. Would that have got you international air mail service, or just within China? Thanks,

Paul.

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khj
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02 Aug 2015
01:44:44pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

The stamp currency was in Chinese Yuan (not the current Chinese Yuan), not US dollars.

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07 Aug 2015
01:15:32pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

There are Belgian Stamps overprinted "-10%" which I suppose would be a negative surcharge ?

Is their a neat word for a discounted overprint ?

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07 Aug 2015
01:48:58pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

In case anybody was wondering, the "-10%" surcharge is on Belgium #365-367(1946) in the Scott catalog. The Leopold III stamps of 1944 were surcharged to reflect the reduced post-war postage rate. Scott only assigns 3 catalog numbers. But because of the local overprints, there are actually over 10000 documented surcharge varieties.

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07 Aug 2015
03:28:53pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

Quote:

"... which I suppose would be a negative surcharge ? "




I believe the correct philatelic term for that is a "discharge."










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07 Aug 2015
04:26:19pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

Quote:

"Be sure to tip your waiter"


plus or minus 10%
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07 Aug 2015
08:37:58pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

"..... the correct philatelic term for that is a "discharge." ....."


Hmmmm, that sounds gross.
I wondered about a good antonym for surcharge, but didn't consider "Discharge" since it seems to imply disposing the entire charge, rather than a part.
"Semi-discharge" might be closer to a 10% reduction, but that seems even more gross.
Is "discharge" in common use ?

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07 Aug 2015
09:07:46pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

My tongue was entirely in my cheek. The wordplay was just staring me in the face, begging to be used, and I failed to resist the temptation.

I am sorry about any confusion I caused.

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09 Aug 2015
06:06:35pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

I guess I loft off the smiley face.Laughing

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09 Aug 2015
06:41:26pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

Whew!

I already had some trepidation about my post in the first place, and then when I thought it was being taken seriously, I thought it would be be best for me to just delete the whole thing.

(And then I hoped with the server migration that maybe this thread would just fade into oblivion.)

All's well that ends well!

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09 Aug 2015
10:22:55pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

Serves us right for taking you seriously!

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stampchi
17 Aug 2015
09:43:42pm
re: Asian Stamps With An Overprint?

These stamps are from China. Issued in May 1948

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