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Now a check of personalities featured on Russian stamps of the 1960s has led me to undertake a further collection: “Victims of Stalin’s Purgesâ€. This seems to be a worthwhile study, if only to highlight who was rehabilitated posthumously after the 20th Party Congress in 1956, and why they were considered worthy of a commemorative stamp – and maybe who was not.
This is going to be a small collection – I have tracked down 22 names, only one of whom I confess to having heard of previously, but five of whom have two separate issues dedicated to them. It’s possible, given the nature of Stalin’s regime, that not all these men were pure as the driven snow, and so the collection may differ in tone to one presenting, say, certain of Hitler’s victims. But they were all murdered, judicially or otherwise, and all deemed worthy of rehabilitation by Khrushchev. I hope to find out why.
I don’t know if any of you are interested in Stalin’s Russia, but I’d be glad to hear from anyone who wants to discuss or share in this investigation. Meanwhile, is anyone else out there planning a new topical collection?
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Ian, Georgia and Ukraine also attracted Stalin's unwanted attention. A generation was annihilated through purposeful starvation. A good deal of the officer corps of the Red Army similarly found itself either out of a job or into a grave. Stalin did more than any Wehrmacht general to help in the early Soviety military disaster.
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Perhaps I should look at post-1991 stamps of Georgia and the Ukraine as well. At least one of the "Victims of Stalin's Purges" (Pavel Postyshev, commemorated twice) played a major part in the Holodomor, which is why I advertised my awareness that not all of these victims were entirely innocent.
Through stamps we learn twice: once of the history of who or what is commemorated, and again of the reasons and thinking behind that commemoration.
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How about stamps featuring then-honored people who later fell into disfavor?
An easy shot would be deposed-then-despised rulers, such as the Tsar of All Rus, or the Shah of Iran.
But what about other cultural figures who have fallen to revisionism?
In some countries, for example, Cristoforo Colombo now gets a bad rap.
In the USA, the buffalo hunter, once revered as a tamer of The West, is now reviled as the Raper of The Herd.
Q/ Surely, there are others?
Cheers,
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I wanted to start a collection of gnomes on stamps, but I don't think there are more than twenty to be had. Even if I include tomte, brownies, xmas elves, and other gnomey fellows it wouldn't be a sizable collection.
I've thought I might like to start a topic of viking ships, and perhaps other things viking, but I always seem to have too much going on to start something else.
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Hi biggnome;
I don't do topical collections myself, I collect WW singles Mint/Used, by country. But I like
the idea of topical collections, just don't have any time after trying to collect the world
1840-1980.
It sounds like viking ships would be fun, but I think that you would not find enough stamps
for more than a few years of collection, and then boom, boredom.
Why not ships in general, broken down by the types of ships. Here is a short list for
example:
Viking ships
WW I & II liberty (supply) ships
World wide Naval ships
Middle Eastern Dhows and similar one-masted ancient craft
Egyptian and Mediterranean Galleys (the ones with dozens of oars)
Chinese and Asian Junks
Ice Breakers
Cruise ships
Research ships
wooden clipper ships
Sailing vessels like the Canadian "Bluenose"
Famous shipwrecks, and a blurb about why they happened.
Most of these could be broken down into sub-categories
Wooden Ships:
Brigs
Clippers
River boats (paddle-wheelers)
Baltimore Clippers
Whalers (Charles W Morgan berthed at Mystic Seaport Conn.)
HMS Victory; Lord Nelson's Flagship (Portsmouth Naval Base in Hampshire UK)
Coastal packet boats
Inland shipping (Lake Michigan etc.)
Store the stamps in vario pages and only make pages when you have a complete set to
display, then remove from vario and mount to the custom pages. This way your collection
will appear very complete, but you will always have more to look for and add, down the
road. Show an explanation of what is on the page and something about its history. This
part can all be gleaned from Wikipedia.
Just an idea....
TuskenRaider
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Hi ikeyPikey;
The Shah of Iran, wasn't a ruler, as much as he was a puppet, put in place by the United
States CIA on August 19, 1953. Thus we could more easily strike favorable oil deals with
that nation for cheaper oil.
Yup, and he definitely fell into lots of disfavor later.
Just my 2¢....
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Regarding the Shah of Iran, Wikipedia says,
"Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi…; 26 October 1919 – 27 July 1980) was the king of Iran (Shah of Iran) from 16 September 1941 until his overthrow by the Islamic Revolution on 11 February 1979. He took the title ShÄhanshÄh ("Emperor" or "King of Kings")[1] on 26 October 1967. He was the second and last monarch of the House of Pahlavi of the Iranian monarchy. Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi held several other titles, including that of Ä€ryÄmehr (Light of the Aryans) and Bozorg ArteshtÄrÄn (Head of the Warriors).
Mohammad Reza Pahlavi came to power during World War II after an Anglo-Soviet invasion forced the abdication of his father, Reza Shah. During Mohammad Reza's reign, the Iranian oil industry was briefly nationalized, under the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh, until a US and UK-backed coup d'état deposed Mosaddegh and brought back foreign oil firms."
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TuskenRaider said about collecting Viking ships,
"…and then boom, boredom."
I say, not necessarily.
A collection of Viking ships and Viking ships only might well be necessarily small and, eventually, boring. But treated thematically, such a collection could be open ended. If I were to embark on such a collection, I'd also look for stamps showing Viking artifacts, maps of the areas that Vikings explored/plundered, actual Vikings (which of course would be artistic guesses about their appearance (which is largely true of Viking ships as well), towns and cities with links to Vikings, descendants of Vikings, even Viking literature.
I would also be looking for covers, postcards, and all manner of collateral items. Such a collection, which I do realize goes beyond "stamp collecting," would never be boring, I think, and would teach a heck of a lot about the Vikings.
Bob
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Our late member Mette Heindorff did a study of Vikings on stamps:
http://heindorffhus.motivsamler.dk/vikings/frame-ChecklistVikings.htm
Others have since expanded her checklist.
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"... The Shah of Iran, wasn't a ruler, as much as he was a puppet ..."
Tell that to the people he put in jail.
"... put in place by the United States CIA on August 19, 1953. Thus we could more easily strike favorable oil deals with that nation for cheaper oil ..."
An explanation that makes sense when you look backwards thru the 1970s, perhaps, but if you want to understand a decision taken in 1953, you need to look back from 1953. And what would you see?
- In the 1940s, the USA got through WW2 with domestic oil;
- In the 1940s, the Soviet Union enslaved Eastern Europe;
- In 1948-49, the Soviet Union blockaded Berlin;
- In 1950, Soviet-armed North Korea began a war that cost 36,000 American lives, the armistice for which was signed only weeks before the coup in Iran;
- In 1952, Greece & Turkey were brought into NATO;
- Iran borders both Turkey and the Soviet Union.
Now, what was the CIA thinking in 1953?
It was the political instability triggered by the proposed nationalization of Iran's oil that was the proximate trigger issue; there was plenty of cheap oil to be had in 1953 and, like generals fighting the last war, the CIA tends to look back.
PS: Michael Morell's memoir (of 33 years at CIA) is excellent.
Cheers,
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So, we have two interesting suggestions here: the Vikings, and the post-war politics of the Middle East (or, if you prefer, US foreign policy in that area).
We might also have two distinct types of collection. For "The Vikings" (which, as it happens, is one of my areas of historical interest) it should be possible to collect various stamps illustrating different aspects of their way of life, and the database to which we are directed above by Jill might be all we need to locate our material. Such a collection would be essentially narrative - a broad encyclopedic guide to a historical topic illustrated through stamps.
For the second suggestion, as already shown by the comments of Michael, Bob and Ken, I think we could go further. There are arguments to be debated, and although we could assemble a simple narrative featuring images of the Shah, Stalin, or even oil refineries, we could also look at how the principal players (say, USA, USSR and Iran, but also possibly other countries) sought to influence either their home populations or those of other countries through the stamps themselves. I don't know how fruitful this particular debate would be in terms of stamp issues, but it is an approach to topical collecting quite distinct from our first example.
The image of the Vikings in the age of postage stamps has undergone some changes: from the winged-helmet Wagnerian heroes of the nineteenth century to the gentler traders-and-craftsmen of more recent times, but I'm not convinced that Viking stamp issues will reflect more than picture-book medieval history. Post-war foreign policy, on the other hand, may yield examples of stamps used for purposes other than the picturesque. I'd be interested to see what such an investigation might throw up.
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Sweet!!! Nothing promotes a hobby like a checklist!
However:
"Not Found
The requested URL /vikings/Checklist-Vikings.zip was not found on this server."
Does someone have a copy of this checklist, or know where else it might be found?
Chris
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@thebiggnome:
Sadly, the owner of the Heindorffhus web site, Ann Mette Heindorff, who lived in Copenhagen, passed away a few years ago after a relatively short period of suffering with a brain tumour. A few elements of her huge "Art on Stamps" web site survive, but not, apparently, the Viking database. I know that someone tried to keep the web site going, but she had been having legal problems resulting from the use of many stamp images that CopyDan, the Danish copyright police, said could not be used without payment of huge royalty fees.
The American Topical Association has many topical data bases available; I don't know whether you'd have to be a member to purchase them.
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There are so many ways to approach any topical collection.
Scanned herewith is a promotional FDC, which could find a place in either a country- or a company-specific collection.
In service of ideological purity, I also have this stamp GPU (Genuinely Postally Used) on cover.
Cheers,
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Sorry, I didn't realise the link to Mette's checklist isn't working. You can see most of the stamps throughout her site.
If anyone is really interested, I could send you an updated checklist.
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Yes, I'd love the checklist! I'll send you my email address in a message.
I also found this site which has lots of pics of viking stamps and also cinderellas broken down by country:
http://www.varjag.org/katalog
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Guthrum
Regarding the portrayal of Vikings. You are obviously more knowledgeable than I, but I don't recognise either of the descriptions you mention. I suspect that the truth lies somewhere between the two, or both are true dependant on individuals,period or circumstance.The problem is that written history is seldom "impartial" and what sparse sources available are inevitably written from the point of view of the author. In view of the fragmented patchwork of ethnic settlement in Britain in the period, it could also be that the view you get is as much about where it was written, as who wrote it.
I don't subscribe to the oversimplistic view that Vikings were unbridled savages- they were obviously quite civilised and cultured in many ways - but I am also equally sure that they were not averse to using violence to achieve their ends - but you have to look at these things in the context of the times. I am not sure that the Saxons, Angles or Jutes were so very much different - what they did to the Celts was not so very much different to what the Vikings were alledged to have done to them !
I am sure that as a historian you will agree that it is a very dangerous thing to apportion blame and give moral judgements to tenth century actions from the point of view of twenty first century morality.
Malcolm
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"The image of the Vikings in the age of postage stamps has undergone some changes: from the winged-helmet Wagnerian heroes of the nineteenth century to the gentler traders-and-craftsmen of more recent times, but I'm not convinced that Viking stamp issues will reflect more than picture-book medieval history."
Not entering into any historical arguments on this thread, Malcolm. Stamps only.
My quote above seems perfectly sound - try Google-imaging 'Vikings' for a historical range of images, beginning with Victorian illustrations and moving on to schoolbook images dating from roughly the 1970s. Compare these, if you will, with images on stamps, from whatever country.
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I completed a collection of the Centenary (in 1965) of the International Telecommunications Union (ITU). Now I am ready to assemble the next chapter... the 150th anniversary of the ITU.
My collection for the centenary consisted of more than 430 stamp and 30 S/S sheets from 168 postal entities. I do not believe that the 150th anniversary will be nearly as large. So far, I have only found 20 postal entities:
Argentina, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Belarus, Brazil, Bulgaria Croatia, Egypt, Georgia, Kuwait, Malaysia, Moldova, Monaco, Portugal, Russia, Serbia, Switzerland, Thailand, Uruguay and Vatican City.
I am planning on using the White Ace Communications topical album pages to arrange my collection.
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That is very impressive Terry! I am currently seeking only a few topicals- Manned Stratospheric Balloon Flights and Airships/dirigibles.
I was very impressed with one particular topical exhibit at the APS show. Someone put together an elaborate display of cockroach material. Gross to be sure, but I have found only 1 onion on a stamp, and this person found an entire frame of philatelic cockroach material!
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Doe: I suspect that onion domes are a far easier topic than onions. Cheers,
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At the recent APS show in Grand Rapids, MI last week, my previously non-collector wife decided on a purchase to begin her foray into stamp collecting - she bought a custom-made cacheted cover from one of the cachet artists at the cachet display tables;
the US booklet issue of Scott #4153, the bee stamp.
(Our good friend Doe has unknowingly been instrumental in nudging my wife into collecting by sending bee stamps my way per my request, which I have kept in a stock album in the hopes this would happen someday!)
The reason she went with bees is that I pointed out to her a few years back that her name means "honeybee" in Greek. She thought that was interesting, and proceeded to start purchasing things for her kitchen in black and yellow colors with bee themes on them.
So, imagine my delight when she finally made the jump into my world of stamp-collecting!
I knew there was a chance this might happen if I just kept inviting her to go with me to these things - 
She purchased a very nice cacheted cover from the artist herself and also had her sign it and then took a picture of the two of them to record her 1st item purchase for her new collection.
P.S. to Doe;
thanks again for all
those bee stamps!
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Awesome randy!
Doe is cool
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Doe,
Yes, it WOULD have to be THAT group, wouldn't it!?!
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Mine would have to be Botany. I am a very keen gardener,with an interest in taxonomy and propagation.
I would have to collect by order,class,family,genus, species and cultivar. Unfortunately I am too into general world collecting to bother.
Also the parentage of many long-established garden cultivars is unknown or disputed( and there are possibly cultivar parents which are now extinct), so when it comes down to complex families and species such as roses many of the stamps would be difficult to position precisely in the "family tree" which would rather defeat the object. Also since the advent of DNA the old Linnaean taxonomic boundaries have been blurred,and in some cases rewritten - and not all authorities agree on where we are now, and not all plants have even been re-examined yet.
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Congratulations to Melissa for finding a way to Share Randy's passion, and for Randy and Doe for finding the opening in the stamp hive.
You catch more collectors with....
And, yes, Ernie, Doe is cool.
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Thank you David.
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I am finding that one topic leads on to another. First and foremost it was “Stamps of World War Twoâ€, but that (thanks to an off-chance comment made on this forum!) led on to the “Stamps of Ivan Ivanovich Dubasovâ€. While researching that, I came across an autobiographical article by a master-engraver, which led me to maken a collection of “Recess Stamps of the USSR 1925-1970â€.
Now a check of personalities featured on Russian stamps of the 1960s has led me to undertake a further collection: “Victims of Stalin’s Purgesâ€. This seems to be a worthwhile study, if only to highlight who was rehabilitated posthumously after the 20th Party Congress in 1956, and why they were considered worthy of a commemorative stamp – and maybe who was not.
This is going to be a small collection – I have tracked down 22 names, only one of whom I confess to having heard of previously, but five of whom have two separate issues dedicated to them. It’s possible, given the nature of Stalin’s regime, that not all these men were pure as the driven snow, and so the collection may differ in tone to one presenting, say, certain of Hitler’s victims. But they were all murdered, judicially or otherwise, and all deemed worthy of rehabilitation by Khrushchev. I hope to find out why.
I don’t know if any of you are interested in Stalin’s Russia, but I’d be glad to hear from anyone who wants to discuss or share in this investigation. Meanwhile, is anyone else out there planning a new topical collection?
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Ian, Georgia and Ukraine also attracted Stalin's unwanted attention. A generation was annihilated through purposeful starvation. A good deal of the officer corps of the Red Army similarly found itself either out of a job or into a grave. Stalin did more than any Wehrmacht general to help in the early Soviety military disaster.
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Perhaps I should look at post-1991 stamps of Georgia and the Ukraine as well. At least one of the "Victims of Stalin's Purges" (Pavel Postyshev, commemorated twice) played a major part in the Holodomor, which is why I advertised my awareness that not all of these victims were entirely innocent.
Through stamps we learn twice: once of the history of who or what is commemorated, and again of the reasons and thinking behind that commemoration.
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How about stamps featuring then-honored people who later fell into disfavor?
An easy shot would be deposed-then-despised rulers, such as the Tsar of All Rus, or the Shah of Iran.
But what about other cultural figures who have fallen to revisionism?
In some countries, for example, Cristoforo Colombo now gets a bad rap.
In the USA, the buffalo hunter, once revered as a tamer of The West, is now reviled as the Raper of The Herd.
Q/ Surely, there are others?
Cheers,
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I wanted to start a collection of gnomes on stamps, but I don't think there are more than twenty to be had. Even if I include tomte, brownies, xmas elves, and other gnomey fellows it wouldn't be a sizable collection.
I've thought I might like to start a topic of viking ships, and perhaps other things viking, but I always seem to have too much going on to start something else.
Chris
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Hi biggnome;
I don't do topical collections myself, I collect WW singles Mint/Used, by country. But I like
the idea of topical collections, just don't have any time after trying to collect the world
1840-1980.
It sounds like viking ships would be fun, but I think that you would not find enough stamps
for more than a few years of collection, and then boom, boredom.
Why not ships in general, broken down by the types of ships. Here is a short list for
example:
Viking ships
WW I & II liberty (supply) ships
World wide Naval ships
Middle Eastern Dhows and similar one-masted ancient craft
Egyptian and Mediterranean Galleys (the ones with dozens of oars)
Chinese and Asian Junks
Ice Breakers
Cruise ships
Research ships
wooden clipper ships
Sailing vessels like the Canadian "Bluenose"
Famous shipwrecks, and a blurb about why they happened.
Most of these could be broken down into sub-categories
Wooden Ships:
Brigs
Clippers
River boats (paddle-wheelers)
Baltimore Clippers
Whalers (Charles W Morgan berthed at Mystic Seaport Conn.)
HMS Victory; Lord Nelson's Flagship (Portsmouth Naval Base in Hampshire UK)
Coastal packet boats
Inland shipping (Lake Michigan etc.)
Store the stamps in vario pages and only make pages when you have a complete set to
display, then remove from vario and mount to the custom pages. This way your collection
will appear very complete, but you will always have more to look for and add, down the
road. Show an explanation of what is on the page and something about its history. This
part can all be gleaned from Wikipedia.
Just an idea....
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Hi ikeyPikey;
The Shah of Iran, wasn't a ruler, as much as he was a puppet, put in place by the United
States CIA on August 19, 1953. Thus we could more easily strike favorable oil deals with
that nation for cheaper oil.
Yup, and he definitely fell into lots of disfavor later.
Just my 2¢....
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Regarding the Shah of Iran, Wikipedia says,
"Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi…; 26 October 1919 – 27 July 1980) was the king of Iran (Shah of Iran) from 16 September 1941 until his overthrow by the Islamic Revolution on 11 February 1979. He took the title ShÄhanshÄh ("Emperor" or "King of Kings")[1] on 26 October 1967. He was the second and last monarch of the House of Pahlavi of the Iranian monarchy. Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi held several other titles, including that of Ä€ryÄmehr (Light of the Aryans) and Bozorg ArteshtÄrÄn (Head of the Warriors).
Mohammad Reza Pahlavi came to power during World War II after an Anglo-Soviet invasion forced the abdication of his father, Reza Shah. During Mohammad Reza's reign, the Iranian oil industry was briefly nationalized, under the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh, until a US and UK-backed coup d'état deposed Mosaddegh and brought back foreign oil firms."
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TuskenRaider said about collecting Viking ships,
"…and then boom, boredom."
I say, not necessarily.
A collection of Viking ships and Viking ships only might well be necessarily small and, eventually, boring. But treated thematically, such a collection could be open ended. If I were to embark on such a collection, I'd also look for stamps showing Viking artifacts, maps of the areas that Vikings explored/plundered, actual Vikings (which of course would be artistic guesses about their appearance (which is largely true of Viking ships as well), towns and cities with links to Vikings, descendants of Vikings, even Viking literature.
I would also be looking for covers, postcards, and all manner of collateral items. Such a collection, which I do realize goes beyond "stamp collecting," would never be boring, I think, and would teach a heck of a lot about the Vikings.
Bob
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Our late member Mette Heindorff did a study of Vikings on stamps:
http://heindorffhus.motivsamler.dk/vikings/frame-ChecklistVikings.htm
Others have since expanded her checklist.
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"... The Shah of Iran, wasn't a ruler, as much as he was a puppet ..."
Tell that to the people he put in jail.
"... put in place by the United States CIA on August 19, 1953. Thus we could more easily strike favorable oil deals with that nation for cheaper oil ..."
An explanation that makes sense when you look backwards thru the 1970s, perhaps, but if you want to understand a decision taken in 1953, you need to look back from 1953. And what would you see?
- In the 1940s, the USA got through WW2 with domestic oil;
- In the 1940s, the Soviet Union enslaved Eastern Europe;
- In 1948-49, the Soviet Union blockaded Berlin;
- In 1950, Soviet-armed North Korea began a war that cost 36,000 American lives, the armistice for which was signed only weeks before the coup in Iran;
- In 1952, Greece & Turkey were brought into NATO;
- Iran borders both Turkey and the Soviet Union.
Now, what was the CIA thinking in 1953?
It was the political instability triggered by the proposed nationalization of Iran's oil that was the proximate trigger issue; there was plenty of cheap oil to be had in 1953 and, like generals fighting the last war, the CIA tends to look back.
PS: Michael Morell's memoir (of 33 years at CIA) is excellent.
Cheers,
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So, we have two interesting suggestions here: the Vikings, and the post-war politics of the Middle East (or, if you prefer, US foreign policy in that area).
We might also have two distinct types of collection. For "The Vikings" (which, as it happens, is one of my areas of historical interest) it should be possible to collect various stamps illustrating different aspects of their way of life, and the database to which we are directed above by Jill might be all we need to locate our material. Such a collection would be essentially narrative - a broad encyclopedic guide to a historical topic illustrated through stamps.
For the second suggestion, as already shown by the comments of Michael, Bob and Ken, I think we could go further. There are arguments to be debated, and although we could assemble a simple narrative featuring images of the Shah, Stalin, or even oil refineries, we could also look at how the principal players (say, USA, USSR and Iran, but also possibly other countries) sought to influence either their home populations or those of other countries through the stamps themselves. I don't know how fruitful this particular debate would be in terms of stamp issues, but it is an approach to topical collecting quite distinct from our first example.
The image of the Vikings in the age of postage stamps has undergone some changes: from the winged-helmet Wagnerian heroes of the nineteenth century to the gentler traders-and-craftsmen of more recent times, but I'm not convinced that Viking stamp issues will reflect more than picture-book medieval history. Post-war foreign policy, on the other hand, may yield examples of stamps used for purposes other than the picturesque. I'd be interested to see what such an investigation might throw up.
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Sweet!!! Nothing promotes a hobby like a checklist!
However:
"Not Found
The requested URL /vikings/Checklist-Vikings.zip was not found on this server."
Does someone have a copy of this checklist, or know where else it might be found?
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@thebiggnome:
Sadly, the owner of the Heindorffhus web site, Ann Mette Heindorff, who lived in Copenhagen, passed away a few years ago after a relatively short period of suffering with a brain tumour. A few elements of her huge "Art on Stamps" web site survive, but not, apparently, the Viking database. I know that someone tried to keep the web site going, but she had been having legal problems resulting from the use of many stamp images that CopyDan, the Danish copyright police, said could not be used without payment of huge royalty fees.
The American Topical Association has many topical data bases available; I don't know whether you'd have to be a member to purchase them.
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There are so many ways to approach any topical collection.
Scanned herewith is a promotional FDC, which could find a place in either a country- or a company-specific collection.
In service of ideological purity, I also have this stamp GPU (Genuinely Postally Used) on cover.
Cheers,
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Sorry, I didn't realise the link to Mette's checklist isn't working. You can see most of the stamps throughout her site.
If anyone is really interested, I could send you an updated checklist.
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Yes, I'd love the checklist! I'll send you my email address in a message.
I also found this site which has lots of pics of viking stamps and also cinderellas broken down by country:
http://www.varjag.org/katalog
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Guthrum
Regarding the portrayal of Vikings. You are obviously more knowledgeable than I, but I don't recognise either of the descriptions you mention. I suspect that the truth lies somewhere between the two, or both are true dependant on individuals,period or circumstance.The problem is that written history is seldom "impartial" and what sparse sources available are inevitably written from the point of view of the author. In view of the fragmented patchwork of ethnic settlement in Britain in the period, it could also be that the view you get is as much about where it was written, as who wrote it.
I don't subscribe to the oversimplistic view that Vikings were unbridled savages- they were obviously quite civilised and cultured in many ways - but I am also equally sure that they were not averse to using violence to achieve their ends - but you have to look at these things in the context of the times. I am not sure that the Saxons, Angles or Jutes were so very much different - what they did to the Celts was not so very much different to what the Vikings were alledged to have done to them !
I am sure that as a historian you will agree that it is a very dangerous thing to apportion blame and give moral judgements to tenth century actions from the point of view of twenty first century morality.
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"The image of the Vikings in the age of postage stamps has undergone some changes: from the winged-helmet Wagnerian heroes of the nineteenth century to the gentler traders-and-craftsmen of more recent times, but I'm not convinced that Viking stamp issues will reflect more than picture-book medieval history."
Not entering into any historical arguments on this thread, Malcolm. Stamps only.
My quote above seems perfectly sound - try Google-imaging 'Vikings' for a historical range of images, beginning with Victorian illustrations and moving on to schoolbook images dating from roughly the 1970s. Compare these, if you will, with images on stamps, from whatever country.
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I completed a collection of the Centenary (in 1965) of the International Telecommunications Union (ITU). Now I am ready to assemble the next chapter... the 150th anniversary of the ITU.
My collection for the centenary consisted of more than 430 stamp and 30 S/S sheets from 168 postal entities. I do not believe that the 150th anniversary will be nearly as large. So far, I have only found 20 postal entities:
Argentina, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Belarus, Brazil, Bulgaria Croatia, Egypt, Georgia, Kuwait, Malaysia, Moldova, Monaco, Portugal, Russia, Serbia, Switzerland, Thailand, Uruguay and Vatican City.
I am planning on using the White Ace Communications topical album pages to arrange my collection.
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That is very impressive Terry! I am currently seeking only a few topicals- Manned Stratospheric Balloon Flights and Airships/dirigibles.
I was very impressed with one particular topical exhibit at the APS show. Someone put together an elaborate display of cockroach material. Gross to be sure, but I have found only 1 onion on a stamp, and this person found an entire frame of philatelic cockroach material!
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Doe: I suspect that onion domes are a far easier topic than onions. Cheers,
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At the recent APS show in Grand Rapids, MI last week, my previously non-collector wife decided on a purchase to begin her foray into stamp collecting - she bought a custom-made cacheted cover from one of the cachet artists at the cachet display tables;
the US booklet issue of Scott #4153, the bee stamp.
(Our good friend Doe has unknowingly been instrumental in nudging my wife into collecting by sending bee stamps my way per my request, which I have kept in a stock album in the hopes this would happen someday!)
The reason she went with bees is that I pointed out to her a few years back that her name means "honeybee" in Greek. She thought that was interesting, and proceeded to start purchasing things for her kitchen in black and yellow colors with bee themes on them.
So, imagine my delight when she finally made the jump into my world of stamp-collecting!
I knew there was a chance this might happen if I just kept inviting her to go with me to these things -
She purchased a very nice cacheted cover from the artist herself and also had her sign it and then took a picture of the two of them to record her 1st item purchase for her new collection.
P.S. to Doe;
thanks again for all
those bee stamps!
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Awesome randy!
Doe is cool
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Doe,
Yes, it WOULD have to be THAT group, wouldn't it!?!
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Mine would have to be Botany. I am a very keen gardener,with an interest in taxonomy and propagation.
I would have to collect by order,class,family,genus, species and cultivar. Unfortunately I am too into general world collecting to bother.
Also the parentage of many long-established garden cultivars is unknown or disputed( and there are possibly cultivar parents which are now extinct), so when it comes down to complex families and species such as roses many of the stamps would be difficult to position precisely in the "family tree" which would rather defeat the object. Also since the advent of DNA the old Linnaean taxonomic boundaries have been blurred,and in some cases rewritten - and not all authorities agree on where we are now, and not all plants have even been re-examined yet.
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Congratulations to Melissa for finding a way to Share Randy's passion, and for Randy and Doe for finding the opening in the stamp hive.
You catch more collectors with....
And, yes, Ernie, Doe is cool.
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