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The stamp itself without the overprint appears to be real, which it should be because it is exceptionally common.
The first problem is the overprint itself, of which a few essays were made in Jersey but never put into use because of the potential negative impact on Jerseyites, who, supposedly, German officials did not wish to further alienate. So, this overprinted stamp never saw postal use and exists today in a handful of mint sheets held in private collections.
The second problem is that the overprint appears to on top of the cancellation, and looks to be of poor (very un-German!) quality — lots of bleeding of ink, probably from a rubber stamping device.
In my web page titled Channel Islands at War, I write about these particular overprints as well as another German essay that was never put in use.
For the full story of the KGVI overprints, see this article about bogus Channel Islands Stamps on the web site of the Channel Islands Specialists' Society.
I wrote to the eBay seller last night, but have not had a response.
Bob
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Ebay doesn't seem to want to take things down like that anymore. They'd rather wait to take any action until a buyer files a complaint.
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Good news: The seller responded, thanking me and removing the bogus stamp from his offerings.
Bob
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Wow. That seller should be put on a list of good ones...unless he took it down because he got caught...
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"The seller responded thanking me and removing the bogus stamp from his offerings"
Offer is still there though....with the question in view (unusual for eBay). One bidder so hopefully anyone interested will scroll down and read.
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That Jersey overprint looks more like an inkjet printing rather than a handstamp. I have seen quite a few similar fakes on Ebay and other sites from places such as Sudetenland, Far Eastern Republic and Upper Silesia.
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I looked but couldn't find the original offering. I did find several similar bogus offerings, including this one:
As you can see, the seller is describing them as genuine stamps with "facsimile" overprints and the word "forgery" stamped on the back. It's ethical, I suppose, to some degree, but I have to take issue with the fact that perfectly good copies of mint GB stamps were essentially destroyed.
The starting bid is US $312.67.
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This is an enlargement of one of the stamps from that same Hagner sheet of facsimiles. There is a marked difference in the 'quality' and font of the overprint here, to that in the original post:
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And I found these on E-Bay about ten days ago. I am a Bermuda collector and had never heard of these. They may be legit, but given all the talk about forgeries and the similar appearance of these offerings, I thought I'd ask your opinion.
They were listed with a minimum bid of $85, both went without a bid and seemingly were not resisted.
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David,
See British-Empire stamps.co.uk.
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"I looked but couldn't find the original offering"
It's there at the same link as in the initial post. The question is there and a 'Thank You' but he lied to you about taking it down. eBay will do nothing so that route is a waste of time. Still only the one bid.
I have to say it is most unusual to see the questions and answers on display on a listing. I have asked hundreds of questions by this route and have NEVER seen one my questions on view !!
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David,
These propaganda forgeries were created for a number of colonies. There were six in a set. If you look closely at the top left hand corner ornament, the centre of the English rose has been modified to the Russian hammer and sickle. In addition, the St Edward crown over the king's head, has also been doctored to the Star of David.
The original forgeries were printed on watermarked paper that was used for ration vouchers. If you look closely at the close-up, darker diagonal wavy lines can be seen:
The cancellation, if present, is always the same; 'LONDON - AAA0 - date - SPECIAL STAMPS'. I can't recall the date used and I can't decipher my own scan.
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@Londonbus,
You're right. The reason I said that it had been removed is that I didn't use the original link, but just did a search on eBay and when I didn't find it I assumed that it had been removed. However, the seller didn't tell me that he'd removed the listing, he just thanked me for the information. Now, should I ask him for royalties since he used my note to him, word for word, on the eBay page? 
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Here's one without the Colonial overprints.
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"the seller is describing them as genuine stamps with "facsimile" overprints and the word "forgery" stamped on the back"
Selling an item in this manner meets the requirements for selling forgeries, etc. per APS rules. The word "forgery" on the back of the stamp is supposed to be in indelible ink.
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Yet another bogus stamp has appeared on eBay, this time a Channel Islands Overprint:
The stamp itself without the overprint appears to be real, which it should be because it is exceptionally common.
The first problem is the overprint itself, of which a few essays were made in Jersey but never put into use because of the potential negative impact on Jerseyites, who, supposedly, German officials did not wish to further alienate. So, this overprinted stamp never saw postal use and exists today in a handful of mint sheets held in private collections.
The second problem is that the overprint appears to on top of the cancellation, and looks to be of poor (very un-German!) quality — lots of bleeding of ink, probably from a rubber stamping device.
In my web page titled Channel Islands at War, I write about these particular overprints as well as another German essay that was never put in use.
For the full story of the KGVI overprints, see this article about bogus Channel Islands Stamps on the web site of the Channel Islands Specialists' Society.
I wrote to the eBay seller last night, but have not had a response.
Bob
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12:38:39pm
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Ebay doesn't seem to want to take things down like that anymore. They'd rather wait to take any action until a buyer files a complaint.
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Good news: The seller responded, thanking me and removing the bogus stamp from his offerings.
Bob
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Wow. That seller should be put on a list of good ones...unless he took it down because he got caught...
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"The seller responded thanking me and removing the bogus stamp from his offerings"
Offer is still there though....with the question in view (unusual for eBay). One bidder so hopefully anyone interested will scroll down and read.
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That Jersey overprint looks more like an inkjet printing rather than a handstamp. I have seen quite a few similar fakes on Ebay and other sites from places such as Sudetenland, Far Eastern Republic and Upper Silesia.
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I looked but couldn't find the original offering. I did find several similar bogus offerings, including this one:
As you can see, the seller is describing them as genuine stamps with "facsimile" overprints and the word "forgery" stamped on the back. It's ethical, I suppose, to some degree, but I have to take issue with the fact that perfectly good copies of mint GB stamps were essentially destroyed.
The starting bid is US $312.67.
Bob
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re: Yet another bogus eBay item (Channel Islands forgery)
This is an enlargement of one of the stamps from that same Hagner sheet of facsimiles. There is a marked difference in the 'quality' and font of the overprint here, to that in the original post:
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And I found these on E-Bay about ten days ago. I am a Bermuda collector and had never heard of these. They may be legit, but given all the talk about forgeries and the similar appearance of these offerings, I thought I'd ask your opinion.
They were listed with a minimum bid of $85, both went without a bid and seemingly were not resisted.
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David,
See British-Empire stamps.co.uk.
Bob
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"I looked but couldn't find the original offering"
It's there at the same link as in the initial post. The question is there and a 'Thank You' but he lied to you about taking it down. eBay will do nothing so that route is a waste of time. Still only the one bid.
I have to say it is most unusual to see the questions and answers on display on a listing. I have asked hundreds of questions by this route and have NEVER seen one my questions on view !!
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David,
These propaganda forgeries were created for a number of colonies. There were six in a set. If you look closely at the top left hand corner ornament, the centre of the English rose has been modified to the Russian hammer and sickle. In addition, the St Edward crown over the king's head, has also been doctored to the Star of David.
The original forgeries were printed on watermarked paper that was used for ration vouchers. If you look closely at the close-up, darker diagonal wavy lines can be seen:
The cancellation, if present, is always the same; 'LONDON - AAA0 - date - SPECIAL STAMPS'. I can't recall the date used and I can't decipher my own scan.
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@Londonbus,
You're right. The reason I said that it had been removed is that I didn't use the original link, but just did a search on eBay and when I didn't find it I assumed that it had been removed. However, the seller didn't tell me that he'd removed the listing, he just thanked me for the information. Now, should I ask him for royalties since he used my note to him, word for word, on the eBay page?
Bob
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Here's one without the Colonial overprints.
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05:37:24pm
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"the seller is describing them as genuine stamps with "facsimile" overprints and the word "forgery" stamped on the back"
Selling an item in this manner meets the requirements for selling forgeries, etc. per APS rules. The word "forgery" on the back of the stamp is supposed to be in indelible ink.
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