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snowy12
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11 Jul 2015
10:19:00pm

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Hi All

I have a postcard dated 1887 from the US to Germany .As I know nothing about US postal History I would like your thoughts on it.Image Not Found
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The postmark is not on the stamp ,which has what looks like a cork cancel
Brian
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smauggie
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12 Jul 2015
09:54:24am
re: I have a postcard and need help!!!

Hi Brian,

This item is a little unusual as it is going overseas, which is why the additional 1 cent stamp was needed.

It appears the killer was used both on Jefferson (on the postcard) and on Ben Franklin (on the stamp).

It appears the postmark is Niagara Falls, NY.

The postcard is printed on the back with the business name of a company, which is interesting. As an importer of lagers the correspondence to Germany makes a lot of sense.

Overall it's a neat little piece of history.

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Bobstamp
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12 Jul 2015
07:36:45pm
re: I have a postcard and need help!!!

My understanding is that circular postmarks, a.k.a. Circular Date Stamps (CDS) were not originally intend to cancel stamps, but to provide information. The application of a CDS by the receiving post office would provide information about transit times, especially in the case of registered letters which were "backstamped" at each post office along the way. Stamps were cancelled at first by pen or makeshift cancellers, later by cancellation hammers that included both CDSs and killers. End of Cancellation 101, which I hope is correct!

Bob

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snowy12
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12 Jul 2015
08:26:40pm

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re: I have a postcard and need help!!!

Thankyou for the information.I didn't even realize the image in the middle of the card was prepaid postage and saw the cancel until smauggie mentioned it ,shows how much I know about US postal History
That's why I put the card up.It is not something I collect.
Bob
It did have me puzzled as to why the CDS was not on the stamp(s).Learning all the time .I take it the stamp is very common ?

Brian

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smauggie
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13 Jul 2015
01:55:29pm
re: I have a postcard and need help!!!

Brian, the postal card is common and the stamp is common too, assuming it doesn't have a grill (I see no grill in the picture but doesn't rule it out).

Cheers,
Antonio

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Stampme
14 Jul 2015
08:48:24pm
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Looks like the business card was used for personal correspondence: Note that the printed Chicago, location of the beer importer, was crossed out and Niagra Falls was written in by the sender.
I like the card.
Bruce

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14 Jul 2015
09:21:19pm
re: I have a postcard and need help!!!

You should definitely inspect the stamp closely for the presence of a grill, or post a high res scan of just the stamp and a bit of the card. It is unlikely present, but if there, would make this a valuable stamp even given its poor centering.

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snowy12
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14 Jul 2015
11:43:22pm

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re: I have a postcard and need help!!!

Here's a scan of the stamp.
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15 Jul 2015
10:03:07am
re: I have a postcard and need help!!!

No grill, and only in average condition based on centering and other faults, so the stamp has nominal value. Keep it as-is, as fun postal history -- it's hard to translate the German but it looks like an employee went to Niagara Falls in the summer and was talking about heading into Canada. Use of the killer in two places is nice.

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Tom in Exton, PA
15 Jul 2015
11:51:13am

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I like the preprinted aspect of the card. I know the post office offered free printing on stationary if you bought a minimum quantity. I'm not sure if that applied to this era. The card was designed to be a quick communication for this company, thus the preprint to save time. This is the era before phones were common, so many people communicated quick messages via penny cards. I have ones that say things like"I will be in your office at 3pm tomorrow. Some business areas had 2-3 mail deliveries a day to expedite these vital contacts. Think of it as a prehistoric email or text.

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pedroguy
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18 Jul 2015
05:51:48pm
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I was born on LaSalle & Oak too bad it was mailed from New YorkCrying

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notrare
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28 Oct 2015
11:08:26pm
re: I have a postcard and need help!!!

Brian,

The stamp is #206.

Tom

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