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24 Jun 2015
04:01:00pm

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This is what i have to work with at present..the town/state cancels are random or what i had available. Mr. Lincoln (16 cents) missed formation...i think he is going to be tougher than his catalog value indicates !Image Not Found

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24 Jun 2015
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Well done!

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24 Jun 2015
04:48:13pm
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Good start, Phil. Let us see how it grows!

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24 Jun 2015
05:27:46pm

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I would accept help..via trades etc;.

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24 Jun 2015
07:16:42pm
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Note that precancels after 1938, that were over six cents (face value) had to have the company name and date on it. Those are collectable, too.

For example, the fifth stamp in the second row is a local two-line electro type, precancelled at Oakland, Calif. The "MW - NOV 50" stands for "Montgomery Ward, valid until the end of November, 1950.

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25 Jun 2015
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Mr Lincoln would have paid the AMSD rate and for much of the period, the double domestic airmail rate. But, i doubt I have him paying either in my cover collection.

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12 Jul 2015
12:36:18pm
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Here's Lincoln let me know if you're interestedImage Not Found

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12 Jul 2015
01:49:47pm
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David, I wondered what those markings were. Had no idea. Thanks!

-Steve

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12 Jul 2015
05:39:31pm

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Pedroguy, Sure Abe would fill a space..i will message you !

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12 Jul 2015
10:04:19pm
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I collect all precancels of New York State (the closest American State to where I live) and Texas (where I once lived).

In honour of Phil's start of his Prexie precancel collection, allow me to share the Prexie precancels from my collection titled "The Excelsior Collection of New York State Precancels"...

Firstly: The State Capital, Albany...

These are Bureau precancels:

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Note the third 10-cent stamp with precancel bars horizontally and vertically.

These are local precancels:

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Next along, Bureau precancels of Amsterdam.

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This is the one local precancel from Amsterdam that I have...

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Here is Binghamton a Bureau precancel.

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I also like to get a postcard of the originating Post Office for each of the cities and towns that I have precancels for. Thus, the Post Office at Binghamton...

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Are you folks interested in seeing more?

David

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12 Jul 2015
10:22:41pm
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More Prexy precancels? Really? Are you kidding, David? (Just kidding. Sure.)

A question: What's the explanation for the two vertical lines on the 10-cent James Tyler with the missing corner?

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13 Jul 2015
06:10:57am
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Bob:

Between the two vertical bars on the 10-cent stamp, it says "MW - AUG 40". I can only speculate that the local post office marked the date, as required on the precanceled stamps, and thought they had to add the extra bars.... who knows, eh?

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13 Jul 2015
06:17:59am
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Here are Bureau precancels from Brooklyn:

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I also like to get a cover showing the precancels properly used.

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When I see a particular city with a lot of precancels, I often wonder who actually used them.

Bureau precancels from Buffalo!

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... and the Buffalo Post Office.

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13 Jul 2015
11:34:55am
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Burlington Flats. A nice coil pair of each. Multiples of precancels are always desirable.

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Corning has a local precancel... I wonder if this is where Corningware cookware comes from?

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And, the Post Office...

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A Bureau precancel from Flushing...

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A nice precancel of Garden City...

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I hope you folks are enjoying this as much as I am.

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13 Jul 2015
02:52:43pm

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those Burlington Flats precancels are cool...wherever Burlington Flats is !!! Those Albany precancels remind me of my youth when Rockerfeller demolished the red light district and put up the "Egg" !

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13 Jul 2015
03:29:39pm
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More memories for you, Phil!

Garrison Bureau...

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... and local precancels.

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Geneva local precancel

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Great Neck Bureau precancel...

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13 Jul 2015
04:43:02pm
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I like these Jamaica local precancels.

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13 Jul 2015
07:02:12pm
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David,

Corning, NY is where the Corning glassware company is head quartered and also home to the Corning Museum of Glass.

Thanks for sharing all the NY precancels - I'm a Western New York native - born in Buffalo, went to college in Rochester. Never been to NYC yet though.

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13 Jul 2015
07:15:17pm
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Josh:

Interesting about the Corning Glass company coming from Corning, NY. Neat!

I am glad you're enjoying this! I'm going through, A to Z, so I'll get to the other cities that may interest you.

Here are some Bureau precancels from Jamestown...

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...and some local precancels!

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This type of local precancel is called a "two-line electro". The precancel is from an electroplated mat.

Here's the Post Office in Jamestown, NY. Judging by the note written below, I guess it wasn't a very nice place back then.

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... and a newer one!

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13 Jul 2015
07:25:46pm
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Bobstamp

Here's a better view of what the vertical lines usually look like
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13 Jul 2015
07:32:26pm
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13 Jul 2015
08:32:46pm
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Very nice!

I wonder why the downward precancel on top of the horizontal precancel?

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13 Jul 2015
09:29:15pm
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I have no clueAt Wits End Probably just the whim of the person who stamped them. Good question

Let me know if you want them for your collection

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14 Jul 2015
06:35:21am
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Excellent collection. Thankyou for sharing....Keep em coming....

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14 Jul 2015
07:53:59am
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Here's an early Cincinnati, Ohio local precancel. I don't know what year precancels went into use, but this is a 1904 envelope. There's no telling what the connection between the World's Fair in St. Louis is to Cincinnati (would love to know!) or if a commercial mailer just obtained the overage of the envelopes and used it on a mailing. There's no return address or backstamp. This was the one cent, unsealed flyer rate. Basically, prehistoric junk mail.

I have at least a dozen of the Scott 300 Franklin precancels on cover. They are hard to find and the tough part is that many dealers think they're gold!

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14 Jul 2015
10:59:04am

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Nice collection Tom, If only i could stick to one subject..but then things get slow !Sad

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15 Jul 2015
07:01:37pm
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Ben & Petro:

Thank-you for sharing!

Here is a local precancel from Johnstown...

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... and a salute to my buddy Phil.... a local precancel from Kingston, NY

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Here is the Post Office for posterity!

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A Little Falls Bureau precancel...

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15 Jul 2015
07:54:24pm
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Long Island, NY Bureau precancels....

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I like the name, Long Island City. I've always known it as Long Island. Below are some local precancels. Inverts, misaligned precancels, etc... all part of the fun of collecting precancels.

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15 Jul 2015
08:33:57pm
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David, the entire island is called Long Island. Long Island City is a small area on the westernmost part of the Island, located in Queens and on the East River. See here...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_City


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16 Jul 2015
01:04:44pm
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Regarding Corning, NY, Corning Glass, and Corningware:

• That's in the area where my family hales from. Although the Ingrahams didn't ever live in Corning, as far as I know, my dad worked as a reporter for the Corning Leader in the late 1940s, and won an editorial award for a series he wrote about migrant black farm labourers.

• My Uncle Phil Ingraham, who died in 2012, went to work for Corning Glass as a technician shortly after the Second World War. He had to retire on disability in the 1980s as a result of a nearly fatal electrical accident which tore loose practically every muscle in his upper arms, shoulders, and chest.

The Corning Glass Museum is a must-see for anyone who passes through that area. Not a day goes by in our lives that isn't "touched" by a Corning product — fibre optic cables; "Gorilla Glass" used in hundreds of cellphones, tablets, televisions, etc.; various ceramics, and specialty glass used in just about any application you can imagine.

The Corning Glass museum displays this hunk of glass:

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It was intended to be the primary 200 inch/508 cm mirror for the giant Hale Telescope at the Palomar Observatory in Southern California:

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The mirror blank was damaged when part of the mould broke because of the intense heat of the Pyrex glass being poured on it; that damaged blank is displayed at the museum. Corning was successful in its second attempt to create the mirror blank, which remains in use to this day at Mount Palomar. (Recommended reading: The Perfect Machine — Building the Palomar Telescope, by Ronald Florence.)

• Corningware: When I was a smart-ass high school kid, my father went back to New York State (we lived in New Mexico then) on business and to visit his brothers. He visited Corning Glass with my uncle, who was still working there, and got a sample bowl made of "unbreakable" Pyroceram, which eventually became known to us as CorningWare and Corelle. It was developed by accident, and initially used to protect rocket nosecones from melting.

Dad was very excited about his "unbreakable" dish, and had barely unpacked his suitcase before he demonstrated its resistance to breaking by throwing it across the kitchen. It bounced off a wall and onto the floor, where it bounced a couple more times and slid to a stop, quite undamaged. I said, "Let me see that." He handed it to me. I held it by its edge, waist high, and dropped it. It landed on its opposite edge and shattered into dozens of pieces. I gloated at my brilliance. Dad was...chagrinned? He wasn't used to being wrong about anything, even though he often was.

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16 Jul 2015
07:35:10pm
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I received some further information from David Teisler on Long Island...

Long Island refers to a geographic island comprised of 4 counties: Nassua, Suffolk, Queens, and Kings. The name typically refers only to the two former counties, with the latter two being now part of NYC. The final one is the county name of the city of Brooklyn, once independent and now part of NYC.

LIC is part of Queens, and is also home to much of NYC's small but vibrant film industry. It was once a post-industrial shambles but is now being gentrified.

Thanks, David T.!

Bob:

Great information on your family connection to Corning, NY.

Some more precancelled Prexies....

A local Maryknoll precancel...

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A local precancel, Mineola, NY...

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Local precancels from Mount Vernon, NY...

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... and, the Mount Vernon Post Office...

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16 Jul 2015
09:34:36pm
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I try to avoid collecting pre-cancels. I have started, sold off and restarted pre-cancel collections many times. It didn't help at all that Steiner includes a nice group of album pages for pre-cancels.

I do, however, have a small collection of pre-cancels from Poughkeepsie, NY, where I grew up. I have been contemplating creating a pre-cancel collection of the towns that were located on the portion of the New Haven Railroad that I model.

One thing about pre-cancels that I don't understand is why were postage due stamps pre-canceled? They could not be used by anyone other than the post office.

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16 Jul 2015
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I once started a collection of both Canadian and U.S. pre-cancels, and found that both, at least the common ones of course, were quite easy to obtain. But I also found quite a few interesting varieties. None were expensive. Organization is not my strong suit, however, and I quickly became overwhelmed with the sheer quantity of stamps from a great many cities and gave up. Now, decades later, I can imagine collecting both the varieties and stamps on and off cover from particular cities that I have lived in.

Bob

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17 Jul 2015
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"I do, however, have a small collection of pre-cancels from Poughkeepsie, NY, where I grew up. I have been contemplating creating a pre-cancel collection of the towns that were located on the portion of the New Haven Railroad that I model."



Sounds like you will be needing the rail route cancels for these too!

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17 Jul 2015
10:50:12am
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LOL, Tom.

Yeah, I've thought of that. I already have some covers along that line.

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17 Jul 2015
08:01:32pm
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Michael:

I will start a new thread, when I complete this one, of precancels of Texas. That said... a salute to you and Phil B. with non-Prexie Poughkeepsie and Red Hook local precancels!

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... and now for the big kahuna...



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17 Jul 2015
08:11:27pm
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New York City...

These are Bureau precancels. Note the incomplete lines on the third half-cent stamp. That is calles a "gap right" precancel.

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Here is a six-cent stamp with a "gap left" in a block of four! Note as well that this is the first type of precancel of the Prexie era, for New York City, as the three words are atop one and other.

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Here is the second type of the Prexie era in two lines.

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And now, the local precancels for the Big Apple...

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and a two-line (or double line) electro.
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Lastly, the Post Office in New York...

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17 Jul 2015
08:13:36pm
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Ogdensburg, NY is pretty much the first city I see when I cross the border, into the United States.

Here is a local precancel.

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And, the Post Office!

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18 Jul 2015
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A local precancel from Peekskill... sort of near Phil and Jopie's place...

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A Bureau precancel from Rochester...

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... and a cover with the same stamp...

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... and local two-line electro precancels from Rochester, too...

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Here is a Bureau and a local precancel from Rockville Centre.

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I like the Canadian spelling of Centre.

A BIG salute to Bobgggg who resides in Shrub Oak!

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Two styles of Bureau precancels from Syracuse, NY

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19 Jul 2015
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I thought Phil lived in Red Hook. That's near Kingston and Poughkeepsie. Peekskill is quite a way south from there.

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19 Jul 2015
07:53:42am
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Michael:

You're correct!

I seemed to recall it on a road sign driving from New York City to Phil and Jopie's place.

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19 Jul 2015
07:55:27am
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Here is a local precancel of a city in the same area... Tarrytown, NY.

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19 Jul 2015
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You have a BobGGGG collection...Peekskill,Shrub Oak and Tarrytown (the bridge) now all you need is Bobs old homestead Buchanan, New York..thats where he turned radioactive !

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19 Jul 2015
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Yes, you would have passed by Peekskill on your way north from New York City to Red Hook, but you still had a ways to go before getting to your destination.

By the way, Mel Gibson is from Peekskill.

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19 Jul 2015
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Phil:

Due to the nukes in Buchanan, all the precancelled stamps from there, turned yellow, and fell apart!

Michael:

A few drives between NYC and Phil & Jopie's and I know some of the towns, but not really the order along the highway they appear. I should look at a map.

Here is a local precancel from Utica.

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and, the Post Office...

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A few nice cars on the street, eh?

White Plains, NY Bureau precancel...

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And the last of my NY State Prexie precancels...

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A Yonkers NY local precancel.

I hope you enjoyed this.

My next thread will be the precancels of Texas, that I have.

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19 Jul 2015
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I finished college in Utica. I went to the post office there. They were selling hand-held coil dispensing devices. I tried it out, and was surprised to see a coil test stamp come out. The gum had been whetted by the device and the coil stuck to the paper pad. I turned the device over and started extracting single coil test stamps. The clerk looked at me like I was crazy. He told me that I couldn't use them for postage. I told him I was aware of that. I left with about a dozen of them. I stopped, because he was not liking me doing that.

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22 Aug 2015
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I do not collect pre cancels but in the last several years I have come into large accumulations.
the first lot was four banker boxes with three full of stamps and one of literature. The second was several weeks ago with four banker boxes packed full of stamps - no literature. The first lot was better organized than the second but both were amazing in the varieties. If you collect, the would have made you drool. Both batches went to the same buyer who drove six ours round trip just to look at them.

I on the other hand love used plate blocks (all numbers, all positions). Without ever spending money on the blocks specifically, I accumulated 7 binders full. They were all mixed in with other things I bought. I swore I would never buy any but last week a dealer friend (fiend?) of mine dropped of a banker box and a half for me to look at and I was lucky he left before I started to drool. I know I said I would never buy but we are now at the stage where I know what he hopes to get and I think he knows what I may be willing to pay (*I know "buy"). I see him again on September 12th and therefore have to decide by then how much I am willing to "buy" them for and how little I can get him to accept. They run from 1932 up to about the 32 centers. He was smart to leave them here as they are sitting on the floor behind me softly whispering "buy me - you know you want to".
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26 Aug 2015
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This thread has been split, moving 7 posts onto a new Thread titled:"Beer Here"

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11 Nov 2015
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I'm wondering how many of the post offices shown on the various cards are still standing?
Bruce
PS: I don't think anyone answered a question about the origin: Precancels began in the 19th Century although not common.

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24 Jun 2015
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This is what i have to work with at present..the town/state cancels are random or what i had available. Mr. Lincoln (16 cents) missed formation...i think he is going to be tougher than his catalog value indicates !Image Not Found

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24 Jun 2015
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Well done!

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24 Jun 2015
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Good start, Phil. Let us see how it grows!

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24 Jun 2015
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I would accept help..via trades etc;.

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24 Jun 2015
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Note that precancels after 1938, that were over six cents (face value) had to have the company name and date on it. Those are collectable, too.

For example, the fifth stamp in the second row is a local two-line electro type, precancelled at Oakland, Calif. The "MW - NOV 50" stands for "Montgomery Ward, valid until the end of November, 1950.

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Mr Lincoln would have paid the AMSD rate and for much of the period, the double domestic airmail rate. But, i doubt I have him paying either in my cover collection.

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12 Jul 2015
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12 Jul 2015
01:49:47pm

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David, I wondered what those markings were. Had no idea. Thanks!

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12 Jul 2015
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Pedroguy, Sure Abe would fill a space..i will message you !

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12 Jul 2015
10:04:19pm

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I collect all precancels of New York State (the closest American State to where I live) and Texas (where I once lived).

In honour of Phil's start of his Prexie precancel collection, allow me to share the Prexie precancels from my collection titled "The Excelsior Collection of New York State Precancels"...

Firstly: The State Capital, Albany...

These are Bureau precancels:

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Note the third 10-cent stamp with precancel bars horizontally and vertically.

These are local precancels:

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Next along, Bureau precancels of Amsterdam.

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This is the one local precancel from Amsterdam that I have...

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Here is Binghamton a Bureau precancel.

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I also like to get a postcard of the originating Post Office for each of the cities and towns that I have precancels for. Thus, the Post Office at Binghamton...

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Are you folks interested in seeing more?

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12 Jul 2015
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More Prexy precancels? Really? Are you kidding, David? (Just kidding. Sure.)

A question: What's the explanation for the two vertical lines on the 10-cent James Tyler with the missing corner?

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13 Jul 2015
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Bob:

Between the two vertical bars on the 10-cent stamp, it says "MW - AUG 40". I can only speculate that the local post office marked the date, as required on the precanceled stamps, and thought they had to add the extra bars.... who knows, eh?

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13 Jul 2015
06:17:59am

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Here are Bureau precancels from Brooklyn:

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I also like to get a cover showing the precancels properly used.

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When I see a particular city with a lot of precancels, I often wonder who actually used them.

Bureau precancels from Buffalo!

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... and the Buffalo Post Office.

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13 Jul 2015
11:34:55am

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Burlington Flats. A nice coil pair of each. Multiples of precancels are always desirable.

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Corning has a local precancel... I wonder if this is where Corningware cookware comes from?

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And, the Post Office...

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A Bureau precancel from Flushing...

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A nice precancel of Garden City...

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I hope you folks are enjoying this as much as I am.

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13 Jul 2015
02:52:43pm

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those Burlington Flats precancels are cool...wherever Burlington Flats is !!! Those Albany precancels remind me of my youth when Rockerfeller demolished the red light district and put up the "Egg" !

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13 Jul 2015
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More memories for you, Phil!

Garrison Bureau...

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... and local precancels.

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Geneva local precancel

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Great Neck Bureau precancel...

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13 Jul 2015
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I like these Jamaica local precancels.

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13 Jul 2015
07:02:12pm

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David,

Corning, NY is where the Corning glassware company is head quartered and also home to the Corning Museum of Glass.

Thanks for sharing all the NY precancels - I'm a Western New York native - born in Buffalo, went to college in Rochester. Never been to NYC yet though.

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13 Jul 2015
07:15:17pm

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Josh:

Interesting about the Corning Glass company coming from Corning, NY. Neat!

I am glad you're enjoying this! I'm going through, A to Z, so I'll get to the other cities that may interest you.

Here are some Bureau precancels from Jamestown...

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...and some local precancels!

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This type of local precancel is called a "two-line electro". The precancel is from an electroplated mat.

Here's the Post Office in Jamestown, NY. Judging by the note written below, I guess it wasn't a very nice place back then.

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... and a newer one!

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13 Jul 2015
07:25:46pm

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Bobstamp

Here's a better view of what the vertical lines usually look like
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13 Jul 2015
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13 Jul 2015
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Very nice!

I wonder why the downward precancel on top of the horizontal precancel?

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13 Jul 2015
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I have no clueAt Wits End Probably just the whim of the person who stamped them. Good question

Let me know if you want them for your collection

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14 Jul 2015
06:35:21am

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Excellent collection. Thankyou for sharing....Keep em coming....

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14 Jul 2015
07:53:59am

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Here's an early Cincinnati, Ohio local precancel. I don't know what year precancels went into use, but this is a 1904 envelope. There's no telling what the connection between the World's Fair in St. Louis is to Cincinnati (would love to know!) or if a commercial mailer just obtained the overage of the envelopes and used it on a mailing. There's no return address or backstamp. This was the one cent, unsealed flyer rate. Basically, prehistoric junk mail.

I have at least a dozen of the Scott 300 Franklin precancels on cover. They are hard to find and the tough part is that many dealers think they're gold!

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14 Jul 2015
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Nice collection Tom, If only i could stick to one subject..but then things get slow !Sad

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15 Jul 2015
07:01:37pm

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Ben & Petro:

Thank-you for sharing!

Here is a local precancel from Johnstown...

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... and a salute to my buddy Phil.... a local precancel from Kingston, NY

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Here is the Post Office for posterity!

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A Little Falls Bureau precancel...

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15 Jul 2015
07:54:24pm

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Long Island, NY Bureau precancels....

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I like the name, Long Island City. I've always known it as Long Island. Below are some local precancels. Inverts, misaligned precancels, etc... all part of the fun of collecting precancels.

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15 Jul 2015
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David, the entire island is called Long Island. Long Island City is a small area on the westernmost part of the Island, located in Queens and on the East River. See here...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_City


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16 Jul 2015
01:04:44pm

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Regarding Corning, NY, Corning Glass, and Corningware:

• That's in the area where my family hales from. Although the Ingrahams didn't ever live in Corning, as far as I know, my dad worked as a reporter for the Corning Leader in the late 1940s, and won an editorial award for a series he wrote about migrant black farm labourers.

• My Uncle Phil Ingraham, who died in 2012, went to work for Corning Glass as a technician shortly after the Second World War. He had to retire on disability in the 1980s as a result of a nearly fatal electrical accident which tore loose practically every muscle in his upper arms, shoulders, and chest.

The Corning Glass Museum is a must-see for anyone who passes through that area. Not a day goes by in our lives that isn't "touched" by a Corning product — fibre optic cables; "Gorilla Glass" used in hundreds of cellphones, tablets, televisions, etc.; various ceramics, and specialty glass used in just about any application you can imagine.

The Corning Glass museum displays this hunk of glass:

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It was intended to be the primary 200 inch/508 cm mirror for the giant Hale Telescope at the Palomar Observatory in Southern California:

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The mirror blank was damaged when part of the mould broke because of the intense heat of the Pyrex glass being poured on it; that damaged blank is displayed at the museum. Corning was successful in its second attempt to create the mirror blank, which remains in use to this day at Mount Palomar. (Recommended reading: The Perfect Machine — Building the Palomar Telescope, by Ronald Florence.)

• Corningware: When I was a smart-ass high school kid, my father went back to New York State (we lived in New Mexico then) on business and to visit his brothers. He visited Corning Glass with my uncle, who was still working there, and got a sample bowl made of "unbreakable" Pyroceram, which eventually became known to us as CorningWare and Corelle. It was developed by accident, and initially used to protect rocket nosecones from melting.

Dad was very excited about his "unbreakable" dish, and had barely unpacked his suitcase before he demonstrated its resistance to breaking by throwing it across the kitchen. It bounced off a wall and onto the floor, where it bounced a couple more times and slid to a stop, quite undamaged. I said, "Let me see that." He handed it to me. I held it by its edge, waist high, and dropped it. It landed on its opposite edge and shattered into dozens of pieces. I gloated at my brilliance. Dad was...chagrinned? He wasn't used to being wrong about anything, even though he often was.

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16 Jul 2015
07:35:10pm

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I received some further information from David Teisler on Long Island...

Long Island refers to a geographic island comprised of 4 counties: Nassua, Suffolk, Queens, and Kings. The name typically refers only to the two former counties, with the latter two being now part of NYC. The final one is the county name of the city of Brooklyn, once independent and now part of NYC.

LIC is part of Queens, and is also home to much of NYC's small but vibrant film industry. It was once a post-industrial shambles but is now being gentrified.

Thanks, David T.!

Bob:

Great information on your family connection to Corning, NY.

Some more precancelled Prexies....

A local Maryknoll precancel...

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A local precancel, Mineola, NY...

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Local precancels from Mount Vernon, NY...

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... and, the Mount Vernon Post Office...

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16 Jul 2015
09:34:36pm

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I try to avoid collecting pre-cancels. I have started, sold off and restarted pre-cancel collections many times. It didn't help at all that Steiner includes a nice group of album pages for pre-cancels.

I do, however, have a small collection of pre-cancels from Poughkeepsie, NY, where I grew up. I have been contemplating creating a pre-cancel collection of the towns that were located on the portion of the New Haven Railroad that I model.

One thing about pre-cancels that I don't understand is why were postage due stamps pre-canceled? They could not be used by anyone other than the post office.

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16 Jul 2015
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I once started a collection of both Canadian and U.S. pre-cancels, and found that both, at least the common ones of course, were quite easy to obtain. But I also found quite a few interesting varieties. None were expensive. Organization is not my strong suit, however, and I quickly became overwhelmed with the sheer quantity of stamps from a great many cities and gave up. Now, decades later, I can imagine collecting both the varieties and stamps on and off cover from particular cities that I have lived in.

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17 Jul 2015
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"I do, however, have a small collection of pre-cancels from Poughkeepsie, NY, where I grew up. I have been contemplating creating a pre-cancel collection of the towns that were located on the portion of the New Haven Railroad that I model."



Sounds like you will be needing the rail route cancels for these too!

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17 Jul 2015
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LOL, Tom.

Yeah, I've thought of that. I already have some covers along that line.

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17 Jul 2015
08:01:32pm

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Michael:

I will start a new thread, when I complete this one, of precancels of Texas. That said... a salute to you and Phil B. with non-Prexie Poughkeepsie and Red Hook local precancels!

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17 Jul 2015
08:11:27pm

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New York City...

These are Bureau precancels. Note the incomplete lines on the third half-cent stamp. That is calles a "gap right" precancel.

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Here is a six-cent stamp with a "gap left" in a block of four! Note as well that this is the first type of precancel of the Prexie era, for New York City, as the three words are atop one and other.

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Here is the second type of the Prexie era in two lines.

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And now, the local precancels for the Big Apple...

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and a two-line (or double line) electro.
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Lastly, the Post Office in New York...

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17 Jul 2015
08:13:36pm

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Ogdensburg, NY is pretty much the first city I see when I cross the border, into the United States.

Here is a local precancel.

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And, the Post Office!

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18 Jul 2015
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A local precancel from Peekskill... sort of near Phil and Jopie's place...

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A Bureau precancel from Rochester...

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... and a cover with the same stamp...

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... and local two-line electro precancels from Rochester, too...

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Here is a Bureau and a local precancel from Rockville Centre.

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I like the Canadian spelling of Centre.

A BIG salute to Bobgggg who resides in Shrub Oak!

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Two styles of Bureau precancels from Syracuse, NY

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19 Jul 2015
02:15:39am

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I thought Phil lived in Red Hook. That's near Kingston and Poughkeepsie. Peekskill is quite a way south from there.

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19 Jul 2015
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Michael:

You're correct!

I seemed to recall it on a road sign driving from New York City to Phil and Jopie's place.

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19 Jul 2015
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Here is a local precancel of a city in the same area... Tarrytown, NY.

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19 Jul 2015
08:54:38am

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You have a BobGGGG collection...Peekskill,Shrub Oak and Tarrytown (the bridge) now all you need is Bobs old homestead Buchanan, New York..thats where he turned radioactive !

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19 Jul 2015
08:57:14am

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Yes, you would have passed by Peekskill on your way north from New York City to Red Hook, but you still had a ways to go before getting to your destination.

By the way, Mel Gibson is from Peekskill.

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19 Jul 2015
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Phil:

Due to the nukes in Buchanan, all the precancelled stamps from there, turned yellow, and fell apart!

Michael:

A few drives between NYC and Phil & Jopie's and I know some of the towns, but not really the order along the highway they appear. I should look at a map.

Here is a local precancel from Utica.

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and, the Post Office...

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A few nice cars on the street, eh?

White Plains, NY Bureau precancel...

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And the last of my NY State Prexie precancels...

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A Yonkers NY local precancel.

I hope you enjoyed this.

My next thread will be the precancels of Texas, that I have.

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19 Jul 2015
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I finished college in Utica. I went to the post office there. They were selling hand-held coil dispensing devices. I tried it out, and was surprised to see a coil test stamp come out. The gum had been whetted by the device and the coil stuck to the paper pad. I turned the device over and started extracting single coil test stamps. The clerk looked at me like I was crazy. He told me that I couldn't use them for postage. I told him I was aware of that. I left with about a dozen of them. I stopped, because he was not liking me doing that.

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I do not collect pre cancels but in the last several years I have come into large accumulations.
the first lot was four banker boxes with three full of stamps and one of literature. The second was several weeks ago with four banker boxes packed full of stamps - no literature. The first lot was better organized than the second but both were amazing in the varieties. If you collect, the would have made you drool. Both batches went to the same buyer who drove six ours round trip just to look at them.

I on the other hand love used plate blocks (all numbers, all positions). Without ever spending money on the blocks specifically, I accumulated 7 binders full. They were all mixed in with other things I bought. I swore I would never buy any but last week a dealer friend (fiend?) of mine dropped of a banker box and a half for me to look at and I was lucky he left before I started to drool. I know I said I would never buy but we are now at the stage where I know what he hopes to get and I think he knows what I may be willing to pay (*I know "buy"). I see him again on September 12th and therefore have to decide by then how much I am willing to "buy" them for and how little I can get him to accept. They run from 1932 up to about the 32 centers. He was smart to leave them here as they are sitting on the floor behind me softly whispering "buy me - you know you want to".
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26 Aug 2015
11:49:27am

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This thread has been split, moving 7 posts onto a new Thread titled:"Beer Here"

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11 Nov 2015
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I'm wondering how many of the post offices shown on the various cards are still standing?
Bruce
PS: I don't think anyone answered a question about the origin: Precancels began in the 19th Century although not common.

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