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2010ccg

31 May 2015
05:20:45pm
Can any of our members share information about Cadillac post? I believe this local post was used for the Cape May-Lewes ferry serving the Bay area of NJ and NY.I am wondering when the local post was used and for what reason...
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michael78651

31 May 2015
05:35:51pm
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Wasn't easy to find. Maybe this is what you're looking for?

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nl1947

31 May 2015
05:43:29pm
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I believe Linn's had an article about it in January?

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2010ccg

31 May 2015
06:29:37pm
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I have a few of the postage but need to find the history behind them Will try to find the Linn
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31 May 2015
07:49:27pm
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I have info about Cadillac Local Post somewhere (along with a number of other New Jersey Local Posts.) I did a catalog of US Modern Local Posts back in 1975 and compiled a fair listing of this post. Its been a while so it may take some time to locate.

Most local posts that operated since Herman Herst's Shrub Oak Local Post in 1953 provide postal service from the operator's desk to the nearest mailbox or postal counter. Many designed stamps (pre-Photoshop) with reasonable face values (5c, 10c) not like some of the more recent posts ($8) or some British locals. Linn's used to print announcements of new issues but stopped when someone realized that operators charging 35c for a FDC were getting rich and should be paying advertising rates.

$5 per local stamp seems a bit high to me.

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2010ccg

31 May 2015
08:21:00pm
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Thankyou Tad...I will be watching for your post. Yes 5$ is high.....I agree. I didn`t pay very much for the few that I have collected.I am mainly interested in the time frame of the stamps Cheryl

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31 May 2015
09:26:04pm
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I have sold a number of these over the years. All the ones in my database date from 1963 to 1968. Here are a couple of samples:

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01 Jun 2015
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The Linn's article was a January 29, 2015 Insights column by John Hotchner: U.S. Stamp Notes: Cadillac Post cover similar to U.S. envelope.

"Over the years, I’ve seen Cadillac Post local covers but was never able to pin down their story. A recent cache found at a dealer table has helped. According to publicity releases, Cadillac Post was born in 1953 in Daretown, N.J., but my earliest cover was canceled in 1960. Apparently, when the service began, the mail was carried in a 1952 Cadillac Coupe Deville over a 60-mile route starting and ending at Wildwood, N.J., on Cape May."


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2010ccg

01 Jun 2015
05:16:21pm
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So I`m thinking that Cadillac stamps had little to do with the ferry service from Cape May across the bay....Thankyou

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01 Jun 2015
05:27:24pm
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Take another look at the top cover of the two I posted above:

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"Posted at Sea - SS. Delaware - Cape May-Lewes"

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2010ccg

01 Jun 2015
07:10:56pm
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Yes I see that Roy...what a mystery....the search continues.....I`m thinking the Cadillac and ferry service overlapped for a brief time.... With the ferry service beginning in 1964 Prior to that the mail did a 60mile run in a Cadillac....I wonder when the last Cadillac post was issued?

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michael78651

02 Jun 2015
01:01:21am
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Cape May is too far south to serve New York. Always fun to try to solve a philatelic mystery!

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2010ccg

03 Jun 2015
12:01:57pm
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I have found through a Local post club that the creator of the Cadillac post was/is Glenn Dye from New Jersey. I have an address minus a zip code and no email address. The Cadillac post began in 1953 according to my source. Any one out there with more info to add....?

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nl1947

05 Jun 2015
06:28:17am
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I found the same info from a local post org.
Postmaster: Glenn Dye
P.O. Box 101
Wildwood, NJ
08260
5204 ARCTIC AVE WILDWOOD, NJ, 08260
First Day of Operation: May 1, 1953

However the info also led to this very interesting article - seems Mr Dye had another side.
The cadillac post is mentioned at the end of the article.

Glenn Dye

He even deserved a second article

Glenn Dye 2

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2010ccg

05 Jun 2015
09:41:07am
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Interesting info Nelson
Quite a character and fascinating articles As a collector of postal history this is a great example of the dark side of the hobby ! Thankyou for posting this info I have heard of the special private permits some collectors have but this is quite the extreme !
Cheryl

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05 Jun 2015
10:24:51am
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Hi Everyone;

@ Cheryl;

Thanks for asking such an interesting question, I had no idea that local posts were in operation
in modern times.

@ Everyone;

Maybe I should start one of them myself. Or maybe others will do so, as I heard that USPS
wants to do away with RFD (Rural Free Delivery) and replace with rows of mail boxes on big
planks for each neighborhood.

Thank you to everyone for all this fascinating information.

If they do that I think it will create traffic problems and other negative issues. Thinking

Just wonderin'....
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05 Jun 2015
02:28:44pm
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Interesting read on Glenn Dye's earlier history. Herman Herst, Jr. the famous stamp dealer and author started his Local Post on May 1st, 1953 by issuing a triangle 2c stamp and posting FDCs. Soon after, Glenn Dye also claimed to be the first Modern US Local Post and claimed that his stamp was also issued May 1st.

But ... I don't believe that he ever produced a cover with the 5/1/53 postmark. He then produced many different Local stamps under the Cadillac Post name along with many other posts. My catalog Vol. 1 list 109 different Cadillac Post issues plus varieties through 1974. I'm fairly certain that most provided no service at all.

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2010ccg

05 Jun 2015
04:23:24pm
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Interesting....thanks!

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nl1947

05 Jun 2015
08:18:31pm
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"Herman Herst, Jr. the famous stamp dealer and author "


This brings to mind a much more famous Local Post than the Cadillac Post & no shady postman.
I will move it to "From Cadillac Post to Dog Post"

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05 Jun 2015
10:41:43pm
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one of our members, Doe Lion, operate(s/d) a local post, Tadpole Post. Her stamps are whimsical, and I'm a big fan of them, especially tied to her covers.

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2010ccg

06 Jun 2015
06:16:48am
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Wow interesting...would love to see one of those




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06 Jun 2015
08:36:58am
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Well, here ya go!

This is one that I was privileged to have received!

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The Postal Service was not too careful in their handling of it, unfortunately. (I believe it was raining at some point during its trip)

But a wonderful conversation piece!





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2010ccg

06 Jun 2015
08:51:15am
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Thankyou for sharing.....I like!!!

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06 Jun 2015
10:08:48am
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OH, sorry; my oversight;

Here's the other side/front!

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08 Jun 2015
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In the Australian outback there is a town!! called Lightning Ridge .It's an opal mining town similar to Coober Pedy in South Australia ,only Lightning Ridge is in N.S.W..
I only know Coober Pedy as we have some friends who live there,in an aptly named dugout ,these are homes dug out of the rock .You want to add a room you just get the digger in and make one.
We stayed with our friends in their dugout ,it's really weird as it's pitch black in side.
Any way I will get back on track .
A gentleman named W S Moore who was an opal dealer and glass blower decided to start a local post and printed his own stamps.This was supposed to pay the the delivery from the post office to your home .
I don't know how the recipients paid him ,as his charge was $5.ROO.
This post was discontinued because after a stay in hospital Mr Moore returned home to find he had been burgled and everything had been stolen.So he gave up the local post.
As far as I am aware he only issued two sets
This is one set on cover to me.
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2010ccg

08 Jun 2015
03:22:07pm
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Nice Brian.....Great info thanks for sharing....must look for the other one now...lol

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Tom in Exton, PA

08 Jun 2015
04:52:40pm
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Interesting story about that Cadillac Post, and I had never noticed or heard of it before. Today while looking at NJ covers on eBay I saw several of his covers.

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24 Jun 2015
01:34:59am

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I managed to locate my two sets of MNH Lightning Ridge local posts.
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2010ccg

31 May 2015
05:20:45pm

Can any of our members share information about Cadillac post? I believe this local post was used for the Cape May-Lewes ferry serving the Bay area of NJ and NY.I am wondering when the local post was used and for what reason...

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michael78651

31 May 2015
05:35:51pm

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Wasn't easy to find. Maybe this is what you're looking for?

Cadillac Local Post

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nl1947

31 May 2015
05:43:29pm

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I believe Linn's had an article about it in January?

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2010ccg

31 May 2015
06:29:37pm

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I have a few of the postage but need to find the history behind them Will try to find the Linn
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31 May 2015
07:49:27pm

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I have info about Cadillac Local Post somewhere (along with a number of other New Jersey Local Posts.) I did a catalog of US Modern Local Posts back in 1975 and compiled a fair listing of this post. Its been a while so it may take some time to locate.

Most local posts that operated since Herman Herst's Shrub Oak Local Post in 1953 provide postal service from the operator's desk to the nearest mailbox or postal counter. Many designed stamps (pre-Photoshop) with reasonable face values (5c, 10c) not like some of the more recent posts ($8) or some British locals. Linn's used to print announcements of new issues but stopped when someone realized that operators charging 35c for a FDC were getting rich and should be paying advertising rates.

$5 per local stamp seems a bit high to me.

Tad


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2010ccg

31 May 2015
08:21:00pm

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Thankyou Tad...I will be watching for your post. Yes 5$ is high.....I agree. I didn`t pay very much for the few that I have collected.I am mainly interested in the time frame of the stamps Cheryl

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09:26:04pm

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I have sold a number of these over the years. All the ones in my database date from 1963 to 1968. Here are a couple of samples:

Image Not Found

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Roy

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01 Jun 2015
04:18:10pm

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The Linn's article was a January 29, 2015 Insights column by John Hotchner: U.S. Stamp Notes: Cadillac Post cover similar to U.S. envelope.

"Over the years, I’ve seen Cadillac Post local covers but was never able to pin down their story. A recent cache found at a dealer table has helped. According to publicity releases, Cadillac Post was born in 1953 in Daretown, N.J., but my earliest cover was canceled in 1960. Apparently, when the service began, the mail was carried in a 1952 Cadillac Coupe Deville over a 60-mile route starting and ending at Wildwood, N.J., on Cape May."


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2010ccg

01 Jun 2015
05:16:21pm

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So I`m thinking that Cadillac stamps had little to do with the ferry service from Cape May across the bay....Thankyou

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01 Jun 2015
05:27:24pm

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Take another look at the top cover of the two I posted above:

(Translated)
"Posted at Sea - SS. Delaware - Cape May-Lewes"

Roy

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2010ccg

01 Jun 2015
07:10:56pm

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Yes I see that Roy...what a mystery....the search continues.....I`m thinking the Cadillac and ferry service overlapped for a brief time.... With the ferry service beginning in 1964 Prior to that the mail did a 60mile run in a Cadillac....I wonder when the last Cadillac post was issued?

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michael78651

02 Jun 2015
01:01:21am

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Cape May is too far south to serve New York. Always fun to try to solve a philatelic mystery!

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2010ccg

03 Jun 2015
12:01:57pm

re: cadillac stamps

I have found through a Local post club that the creator of the Cadillac post was/is Glenn Dye from New Jersey. I have an address minus a zip code and no email address. The Cadillac post began in 1953 according to my source. Any one out there with more info to add....?

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nl1947

05 Jun 2015
06:28:17am

re: cadillac stamps

I found the same info from a local post org.
Postmaster: Glenn Dye
P.O. Box 101
Wildwood, NJ
08260
5204 ARCTIC AVE WILDWOOD, NJ, 08260
First Day of Operation: May 1, 1953

However the info also led to this very interesting article - seems Mr Dye had another side.
The cadillac post is mentioned at the end of the article.

Glenn Dye

He even deserved a second article

Glenn Dye 2

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2010ccg

05 Jun 2015
09:41:07am

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Interesting info Nelson
Quite a character and fascinating articles As a collector of postal history this is a great example of the dark side of the hobby ! Thankyou for posting this info I have heard of the special private permits some collectors have but this is quite the extreme !
Cheryl

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05 Jun 2015
10:24:51am

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Hi Everyone;

@ Cheryl;

Thanks for asking such an interesting question, I had no idea that local posts were in operation
in modern times.

@ Everyone;

Maybe I should start one of them myself. Or maybe others will do so, as I heard that USPS
wants to do away with RFD (Rural Free Delivery) and replace with rows of mail boxes on big
planks for each neighborhood.

Thank you to everyone for all this fascinating information.

If they do that I think it will create traffic problems and other negative issues. Thinking

Just wonderin'....
TuskenRaider

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05 Jun 2015
02:28:44pm

re: cadillac stamps

Interesting read on Glenn Dye's earlier history. Herman Herst, Jr. the famous stamp dealer and author started his Local Post on May 1st, 1953 by issuing a triangle 2c stamp and posting FDCs. Soon after, Glenn Dye also claimed to be the first Modern US Local Post and claimed that his stamp was also issued May 1st.

But ... I don't believe that he ever produced a cover with the 5/1/53 postmark. He then produced many different Local stamps under the Cadillac Post name along with many other posts. My catalog Vol. 1 list 109 different Cadillac Post issues plus varieties through 1974. I'm fairly certain that most provided no service at all.

Tad




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2010ccg

05 Jun 2015
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Interesting....thanks!

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nl1947

05 Jun 2015
08:18:31pm

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"Herman Herst, Jr. the famous stamp dealer and author "


This brings to mind a much more famous Local Post than the Cadillac Post & no shady postman.
I will move it to "From Cadillac Post to Dog Post"

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05 Jun 2015
10:41:43pm

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one of our members, Doe Lion, operate(s/d) a local post, Tadpole Post. Her stamps are whimsical, and I'm a big fan of them, especially tied to her covers.

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06 Jun 2015
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06 Jun 2015
08:36:58am

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Well, here ya go!

This is one that I was privileged to have received!

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The Postal Service was not too careful in their handling of it, unfortunately. (I believe it was raining at some point during its trip)

But a wonderful conversation piece!





Randy

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06 Jun 2015
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Thankyou for sharing.....I like!!!

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APS #213005
06 Jun 2015
10:08:48am

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OH, sorry; my oversight;

Here's the other side/front!

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08 Jun 2015
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In the Australian outback there is a town!! called Lightning Ridge .It's an opal mining town similar to Coober Pedy in South Australia ,only Lightning Ridge is in N.S.W..
I only know Coober Pedy as we have some friends who live there,in an aptly named dugout ,these are homes dug out of the rock .You want to add a room you just get the digger in and make one.
We stayed with our friends in their dugout ,it's really weird as it's pitch black in side.
Any way I will get back on track .
A gentleman named W S Moore who was an opal dealer and glass blower decided to start a local post and printed his own stamps.This was supposed to pay the the delivery from the post office to your home .
I don't know how the recipients paid him ,as his charge was $5.ROO.
This post was discontinued because after a stay in hospital Mr Moore returned home to find he had been burgled and everything had been stolen.So he gave up the local post.
As far as I am aware he only issued two sets
This is one set on cover to me.
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2010ccg

08 Jun 2015
03:22:07pm

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Nice Brian.....Great info thanks for sharing....must look for the other one now...lol

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Tom in Exton, PA
08 Jun 2015
04:52:40pm

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24 Jun 2015
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I managed to locate my two sets of MNH Lightning Ridge local posts.
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