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Europe/Other : France Sinking Fund (Caisse d'Amortissement) stamps of 1927 to 1931

 

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rrraphy
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16 May 2015
12:44:37pm
Trying to complete these very challenging sets in my collection, I am increasingly nervous about counterfeit overprints especially for "sower" (semeuse) and "Pasteur" stamps.
(Scott # B24-27, B28-B30, B31-B33, B35-B37 and B39-B41) (Y&T 246//277)
Does anyone have any reference information or an article I could refer to? Thanks in advance.
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16 May 2015
05:41:56pm
re: France Sinking Fund (Caisse d'Amortissement) stamps of 1927 to 1931

Thanks Nelson. There was an interesting article on the Sinking Fund stamps in the Dec 2013 issue of the American Philatelist. But little said about counterfeits (except: "" Scott catalog values for many of these stamps are greater in used condition, and are printed in italics, which means that collectors should exercise caution."

Interesting article on why collectors buy counterfeit stamps (in French) at the French Calves/jacquart stamp expert site: http://www.timbres-experts.com/blogs/le-blog-philatelie-de-christian-calves-et-alain-jacquart/9940228-pourquoi-les-philatelistes-achetent-ils-des-faux

Incidentally these o/p were put on specially printed colors of these stamps and the o/p was affixed at the same time...not a true o/p as we think of them, to discourage (alas..failed) counterfeiting.
In French...
"" la Poste choisit d'émettre des Semeuse et des Pasteur à 40 c, 50 c et 1,50 F dans des couleurs qui n'existaient pas pour ces valeurs. Ainsi, petits malins
et imprimeurs clandestins ne pourraient-ils pas réutiliser comme supports des stocks de timbres à quatre sous parfaitement authentiques - si cette mesure compliqua la tâche des faussaires, elle ne les découragea pas totalement, les « surcharges » ayant été imprimées en même temps que la couleur de fond"
source: http://philarevue.chez.com/images/142_total.pdf

Hope to research it some more from Paris in June.

rrr...


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16 May 2015
07:41:11pm
re: France Sinking Fund (Caisse d'Amortissement) stamps of 1927 to 1931

Calves is one of the most famous names in France for Certifying Stamps. He signs on the back (rubber stamp actually) Calves on all the stamps he sells. I am however weary of fake Calves on some stamps.
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16 May 2015
08:22:28pm
re: France Sinking Fund (Caisse d'Amortissement) stamps of 1927 to 1931

There is reason to be concerned with fake Calves.
It is probably the name that comes up most often on eBay along with Brun.
Calves himself retired some time ago but apparently a family member continues the business with a Calves handstamp - much easier than a signature to forge

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Frenchstamps

11 Oct 2015
09:30:27am
re: France Sinking Fund (Caisse d'Amortissement) stamps of 1927 to 1931

Hello,

Here is some information about the signature Calves
- It was created in 1970 Roger Calves
- Since the 90s, stamps are signed jointly by Christian Calves (Roger Calves' son) and another expert Alain Jacquart
- They're well known and trusted experts here in France

However, indeed, more and more stamps with false signatures Calves can be seen on the Internet. That's why :
- Christian Calves offers to authentify free of charges all the stamps already signed by him or his father
- from now on, he delivers a certificate for all stamps he expertizes

Here is a page with more information on his website : http://www.timbres-experts.com/pages/expertise-de-timbres


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11 Oct 2015
04:36:30pm
re: France Sinking Fund (Caisse d'Amortissement) stamps of 1927 to 1931

"... But they are easy to tell apart (sort of) - generally most of the counterfeits ... actually look better than the genuine."



Soon after my brother arrived in Thailand in the early '70s, there were government announcements warning the public about widespread counterfeit currency.

The way to tell the real banknotes from the fake banknotes was to apply a little water.

On the counterfeit notes, the ink would not run.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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12 Oct 2015
11:51:42am
re: France Sinking Fund (Caisse d'Amortissement) stamps of 1927 to 1931

Now that is a good one. The counterfeiters doing a better job than the government did! Maybe they were trying to get a contract to print Thai money for the government!

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rrraphy

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16 May 2015
12:44:37pm

Trying to complete these very challenging sets in my collection, I am increasingly nervous about counterfeit overprints especially for "sower" (semeuse) and "Pasteur" stamps.
(Scott # B24-27, B28-B30, B31-B33, B35-B37 and B39-B41) (Y&T 246//277)
Does anyone have any reference information or an article I could refer to? Thanks in advance.
rrr...

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rrraphy

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16 May 2015
05:41:56pm

re: France Sinking Fund (Caisse d'Amortissement) stamps of 1927 to 1931

Thanks Nelson. There was an interesting article on the Sinking Fund stamps in the Dec 2013 issue of the American Philatelist. But little said about counterfeits (except: "" Scott catalog values for many of these stamps are greater in used condition, and are printed in italics, which means that collectors should exercise caution."

Interesting article on why collectors buy counterfeit stamps (in French) at the French Calves/jacquart stamp expert site: http://www.timbres-experts.com/blogs/le-blog-philatelie-de-christian-calves-et-alain-jacquart/9940228-pourquoi-les-philatelistes-achetent-ils-des-faux

Incidentally these o/p were put on specially printed colors of these stamps and the o/p was affixed at the same time...not a true o/p as we think of them, to discourage (alas..failed) counterfeiting.
In French...
"" la Poste choisit d'émettre des Semeuse et des Pasteur à 40 c, 50 c et 1,50 F dans des couleurs qui n'existaient pas pour ces valeurs. Ainsi, petits malins
et imprimeurs clandestins ne pourraient-ils pas réutiliser comme supports des stocks de timbres à quatre sous parfaitement authentiques - si cette mesure compliqua la tâche des faussaires, elle ne les découragea pas totalement, les « surcharges » ayant été imprimées en même temps que la couleur de fond"
source: http://philarevue.chez.com/images/142_total.pdf

Hope to research it some more from Paris in June.

rrr...


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16 May 2015
07:41:11pm

re: France Sinking Fund (Caisse d'Amortissement) stamps of 1927 to 1931

Calves is one of the most famous names in France for Certifying Stamps. He signs on the back (rubber stamp actually) Calves on all the stamps he sells. I am however weary of fake Calves on some stamps.
rrr...

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nl1947

16 May 2015
08:22:28pm

re: France Sinking Fund (Caisse d'Amortissement) stamps of 1927 to 1931

There is reason to be concerned with fake Calves.
It is probably the name that comes up most often on eBay along with Brun.
Calves himself retired some time ago but apparently a family member continues the business with a Calves handstamp - much easier than a signature to forge

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Frenchstamps

11 Oct 2015
09:30:27am

re: France Sinking Fund (Caisse d'Amortissement) stamps of 1927 to 1931

Hello,

Here is some information about the signature Calves
- It was created in 1970 Roger Calves
- Since the 90s, stamps are signed jointly by Christian Calves (Roger Calves' son) and another expert Alain Jacquart
- They're well known and trusted experts here in France

However, indeed, more and more stamps with false signatures Calves can be seen on the Internet. That's why :
- Christian Calves offers to authentify free of charges all the stamps already signed by him or his father
- from now on, he delivers a certificate for all stamps he expertizes

Here is a page with more information on his website : http://www.timbres-experts.com/pages/expertise-de-timbres


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ikeyPikey

11 Oct 2015
04:36:30pm

re: France Sinking Fund (Caisse d'Amortissement) stamps of 1927 to 1931

"... But they are easy to tell apart (sort of) - generally most of the counterfeits ... actually look better than the genuine."



Soon after my brother arrived in Thailand in the early '70s, there were government announcements warning the public about widespread counterfeit currency.

The way to tell the real banknotes from the fake banknotes was to apply a little water.

On the counterfeit notes, the ink would not run.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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12 Oct 2015
11:51:42am

re: France Sinking Fund (Caisse d'Amortissement) stamps of 1927 to 1931

Now that is a good one. The counterfeiters doing a better job than the government did! Maybe they were trying to get a contract to print Thai money for the government!

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