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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Help identification: French colonies commun use

 

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07 Apr 2015
01:11:22pm
Hi everybody,

I buy on Ebay, last year a french colony stamp identify as a A9 design like # Scott 51) but he have a red overprint "10" side way. He is cancel with a "SAIGON" cancelation but in the "INDOCHINA" listing they don't have annything similar... HELP....

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Jacques (timbres)
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07 Apr 2015
01:42:10pm
re: Help identification: French colonies commun use

It is pretty clear that the surcharge is over the cancellation, so the surcharge is bogus or forged. (or part of another postal marking, like postage due or such.)

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07 Apr 2015
02:02:57pm
re: Help identification: French colonies commun use

Tank you Roy,
a second look is helpfull, I did not see that the red printing is over the cancelation... now I see...

sory to take your time for something I should see in first...

tank you very munch, now I will look for other kind of marking, such as you the ones you refered...

Jacques


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07 Apr 2015
09:32:17pm
re: Help identification: French colonies commun use

Hello Jacques,

I collect French colonies and do have some helpful literature. According to Stone's "Alphabetical list of post office names and other words in postmarks used on the general issues of French colonies 1860-1892" (New York, 1978), the postmark Saigon-Cal./Cochinchine is known in the years 1887 through 1892 and possibly later. The post office using this mark operated from 1887 to 1893.

Not only does a 10 on 15 overprinted stamp not exist among stamps from Cochinchina (or later Indochina), but it is altogether bogus, meaning it does not exist from ANY colony.

Generally, the "nameless stamps" from the French Colonies are difficult, because these are stamps from the general issue that were issued with overprinted value in certain colonies and are listed under these colonies. Two sources I consulted, Aretz and Michel, both confirm that no 10 on 15 was created for any colony. In fact the 15c denomination was the one most commonly CREATED by overprinting on other denominations. The only '10' on any of the Dubois stamps (but not the 15c value) was issued in Senegal.

Sorry to compound the bad news.

Arno

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07 Apr 2015
10:05:31pm
re: Help identification: French colonies commun use

Tank you Arno,

the information you give is helpfull, I lurn something new....almost each day...


Jacques

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07 Apr 2015
01:11:22pm

Hi everybody,

I buy on Ebay, last year a french colony stamp identify as a A9 design like # Scott 51) but he have a red overprint "10" side way. He is cancel with a "SAIGON" cancelation but in the "INDOCHINA" listing they don't have annything similar... HELP....

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Jacques (timbres)

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re: Help identification: French colonies commun use

It is pretty clear that the surcharge is over the cancellation, so the surcharge is bogus or forged. (or part of another postal marking, like postage due or such.)

Roy

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07 Apr 2015
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re: Help identification: French colonies commun use

Tank you Roy,
a second look is helpfull, I did not see that the red printing is over the cancelation... now I see...

sory to take your time for something I should see in first...

tank you very munch, now I will look for other kind of marking, such as you the ones you refered...

Jacques


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07 Apr 2015
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re: Help identification: French colonies commun use

Hello Jacques,

I collect French colonies and do have some helpful literature. According to Stone's "Alphabetical list of post office names and other words in postmarks used on the general issues of French colonies 1860-1892" (New York, 1978), the postmark Saigon-Cal./Cochinchine is known in the years 1887 through 1892 and possibly later. The post office using this mark operated from 1887 to 1893.

Not only does a 10 on 15 overprinted stamp not exist among stamps from Cochinchina (or later Indochina), but it is altogether bogus, meaning it does not exist from ANY colony.

Generally, the "nameless stamps" from the French Colonies are difficult, because these are stamps from the general issue that were issued with overprinted value in certain colonies and are listed under these colonies. Two sources I consulted, Aretz and Michel, both confirm that no 10 on 15 was created for any colony. In fact the 15c denomination was the one most commonly CREATED by overprinting on other denominations. The only '10' on any of the Dubois stamps (but not the 15c value) was issued in Senegal.

Sorry to compound the bad news.

Arno

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07 Apr 2015
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re: Help identification: French colonies commun use

Tank you Arno,

the information you give is helpfull, I lurn something new....almost each day...


Jacques

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