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05 Apr 2015
07:59:23pm
US 1896a and 1896e list a variety as "scored perforations". It's only listed for the booklet panes of 6 and 10. Can I safely assume this is indistinguishable in a single stamp?

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05 Apr 2015
11:15:31pm
re: 1896 scored perforations

I haven't actually physically examined separated stamps. But in principle, you should be able to see the scoring if you examine the tips carefully. The top or bottom tips should appear "flatter" than normal.

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05 Apr 2015
11:55:38pm
re: 1896 scored perforations

Does that mean the scoring is a compression of the fibers (like a watermark) and not a laceration (like rouletting)?

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06 Apr 2015
12:09:32am
re: 1896 scored perforations

Interesting catch Lars. I never noticed this variety. I have several full booklets and under magnification I did not see any scoring, so I must have the unscored ones. They don't seem to be a lot more expensive, so I'm assuming not too rare. Do you have any of the scored variety?

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06 Apr 2015
12:10:17am
re: 1896 scored perforations

That's one way of putting it. No paper is cut. I only remember the specific example of #2116a (22¢ flag over Capitol Dome with quote from Gettysburg Address). The pane still has the normal perforations. In that pane of 5, the scoring was done at the booklet pane fold. I recall using a few for postage and definitely remember noticing the perf tips were "flatter" than if I had manually folded the perforations back/forth a couple of times.

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06 Apr 2015
12:21:04am
re: 1896 scored perforations

On the complete booklets for the scored varieties of BK139(#1896a), the premiums are for some of the hibrite booklets. I believe a couple of the varieties are $100+ in the specialty catalogs.

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06 Apr 2015
03:49:26pm
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Best I could do. The score marks don't go all the way through every perf.

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06 Apr 2015
03:54:29pm
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On this same booklet (2116a) there is a double perf in the middle on every set of perfs in the booklet. Do yours have this?

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06 Apr 2015
03:55:22pm
re: 1896 scored perforations

Nice pic Sean! There wasn't much attempt to align the scoring well with the perforations. I assume the dashes of the scoring were meant to "indent" between the perforation holes. I had actually never paid attention to the registration until I saw your pic!

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06 Apr 2015
03:59:39pm
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"On this same booklet (2116a) there is a double perf in the middle on every set of perfs in the booklet. Do yours have this?"


That's a nice production oddity, Sean! That's caused by the misalignment at the ends of the perforation device. That's why you see it on every stamp in the same position.

It also happens with rotary printed coils (you will see a sudden rise or drop in the next stamp). I've even seen it in tagging (the tagging block will be higher up or lower down by 1-2mm in the adjacent stamp. I usually keep these types of things for fun.

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06 Apr 2015
07:31:13pm
re: 1896 scored perforations

Excellent images, Sean! Thank you so much for providing those. I have wondered for some time what that meant. Nice oddity as well, by the way!

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06 Apr 2015
08:15:29pm
re: 1896 scored perforations

That settles the matter for me. I don't collect watermark differences and this seems similar enough to make the call. However, for those that are inclined to be curious about such things, perhaps the scoring shows up in watermark fluid, and if so, used singles could potentially be identified? Hmmm. Thinking

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06 Apr 2015
11:14:36pm
re: 1896 scored perforations

I do thank you for pointing out a new variety to look for. Now to squeeze in a spot in a spot in the album for it.

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APS #220693 ATA#57179
05 Apr 2015
07:59:23pm

US 1896a and 1896e list a variety as "scored perforations". It's only listed for the booklet panes of 6 and 10. Can I safely assume this is indistinguishable in a single stamp?

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05 Apr 2015
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re: 1896 scored perforations

I haven't actually physically examined separated stamps. But in principle, you should be able to see the scoring if you examine the tips carefully. The top or bottom tips should appear "flatter" than normal.

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APS #220693 ATA#57179
05 Apr 2015
11:55:38pm

re: 1896 scored perforations

Does that mean the scoring is a compression of the fibers (like a watermark) and not a laceration (like rouletting)?

Lars

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06 Apr 2015
12:09:32am

re: 1896 scored perforations

Interesting catch Lars. I never noticed this variety. I have several full booklets and under magnification I did not see any scoring, so I must have the unscored ones. They don't seem to be a lot more expensive, so I'm assuming not too rare. Do you have any of the scored variety?

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khj

06 Apr 2015
12:10:17am

re: 1896 scored perforations

That's one way of putting it. No paper is cut. I only remember the specific example of #2116a (22¢ flag over Capitol Dome with quote from Gettysburg Address). The pane still has the normal perforations. In that pane of 5, the scoring was done at the booklet pane fold. I recall using a few for postage and definitely remember noticing the perf tips were "flatter" than if I had manually folded the perforations back/forth a couple of times.

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khj

06 Apr 2015
12:21:04am

re: 1896 scored perforations

On the complete booklets for the scored varieties of BK139(#1896a), the premiums are for some of the hibrite booklets. I believe a couple of the varieties are $100+ in the specialty catalogs.

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06 Apr 2015
03:49:26pm

re: 1896 scored perforations

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Best I could do. The score marks don't go all the way through every perf.

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06 Apr 2015
03:54:29pm

re: 1896 scored perforations

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On this same booklet (2116a) there is a double perf in the middle on every set of perfs in the booklet. Do yours have this?

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khj

06 Apr 2015
03:55:22pm

re: 1896 scored perforations

Nice pic Sean! There wasn't much attempt to align the scoring well with the perforations. I assume the dashes of the scoring were meant to "indent" between the perforation holes. I had actually never paid attention to the registration until I saw your pic!

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khj

06 Apr 2015
03:59:39pm

re: 1896 scored perforations

"On this same booklet (2116a) there is a double perf in the middle on every set of perfs in the booklet. Do yours have this?"


That's a nice production oddity, Sean! That's caused by the misalignment at the ends of the perforation device. That's why you see it on every stamp in the same position.

It also happens with rotary printed coils (you will see a sudden rise or drop in the next stamp). I've even seen it in tagging (the tagging block will be higher up or lower down by 1-2mm in the adjacent stamp. I usually keep these types of things for fun.

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larsdog

APS #220693 ATA#57179
06 Apr 2015
07:31:13pm

re: 1896 scored perforations

Excellent images, Sean! Thank you so much for providing those. I have wondered for some time what that meant. Nice oddity as well, by the way!

Lars

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larsdog

APS #220693 ATA#57179
06 Apr 2015
08:15:29pm

re: 1896 scored perforations

That settles the matter for me. I don't collect watermark differences and this seems similar enough to make the call. However, for those that are inclined to be curious about such things, perhaps the scoring shows up in watermark fluid, and if so, used singles could potentially be identified? Hmmm. Thinking

Lars

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seanpashby

06 Apr 2015
11:14:36pm

re: 1896 scored perforations

I do thank you for pointing out a new variety to look for. Now to squeeze in a spot in a spot in the album for it.

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