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TuskenRaider
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20 Mar 2015
09:15:13pm
Hi David;

Thanks for showing us. I've never seen a complete image on the back like that before.

I've sometimes seen a rectangle of ink that probably represents the heavily inked frame
around definitives from that period of US stamps. Is it true that a stamp with that small
amount of ink transfer has to be flat plate, or is a small amount possible on rotary stamps.

If it is not possible on rotary stamps, is that because they have more time to dry?

Just thinkin' out loud....
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seanpashby
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21 Mar 2015
12:16:51pm
re: Reverse Offset

It is my understanding that this only happens with flat plate because flat plate presses print a sheet at a time and are stacked on top of each other to dry. Rotary press print from a giant web, or roll of paper and it has more time to dry before it reaches the end where it is perforated, cut and stacked. The BEP used to have a helper placing separator sheets between the newly printed sheets to prevent it, but it was not very cost effective, hence the switch to rotary presses.

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seanpashby
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22 Mar 2015
01:03:13am
re: Reverse Offset

David,

It was taken, almost verbatim, from "The Liberty Series" by Ken Lawrence, David Eeles, and Anthony Wawrukiewicz. Talks all about it in chapter 1.

Sean

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BobbyBarnhart
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22 Mar 2015
12:13:40pm
re: Reverse Offset

David, You can take it for granted that when reference is made on the DB to the US "Liberty series" they are referring to the 1954 regular issues. Similarly, any reference to US "prexies" or the "Presidential series" refers to the 1938 regular issues. I am, not disputing that at one time Scott may have referred to the 1922 regular issues by some pet name, but I cannot recall ever hearing them referred to the "Liberty" series (I only recall hearing them referred to as the "Freedom" series, but that was not from Scotts). My 2012 Scott US Specialized refers to the '22 series simply as "Regular Issues."

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seanpashby
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22 Mar 2015
12:33:55pm
re: Reverse Offset

As Bobby said, I was referring to the 1954 series. This book is amazingly informative. So many new post office and printing innovations happened during the lifetime of this series, it got hit with them all. Tagging was introduced, experiments with different types of presses, perforation machines, booklet assembly, and wet vs. dry printing to name a few. The book claims that early rotary press printings of this time period had 35 to 65 percent spoilage and had to be destroyed. That's a lot of EFO's down the drain.

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22 Mar 2015
05:52:12pm
re: Reverse Offset

David - feel free to answer the last question posed to you. Beyond that, if you two would like to continue discussing the evolution of printing types, please start a new thread.

Thank you,
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22 Mar 2015
08:12:05pm
re: Reverse Offset

Sorry, Lisa, but I have to address this.

When I read USAFE7's post I missed completely the "1914" reference, as I had never heard of a "Liberty series" in the US realm other than the 1954 issue. Then, my mind assuming that the 1922 regular issues (being the only other set from that time period featuring the Statue of Liberty) were the stamps to which USAFE7 referred, made my reply. It never occurred to me at that time that USAFE7 was referring to Revenues! There is a set of REVENUES issued in 1914 featuring the bust of Lady Liberty; but although the stamps themselves are inscribed "Series 1914," Scott does not reference them as the “Liberty” anything.

OK, mystery as to USAFE7's confusion solved.

@USAFE7 - As the original post was listed under the Topic “United States - Postage Stamps,” there should be no confusion as to which series of stamps is referred to as the “Liberty Issue.” There is only one set of “postage stamps” listed by Scott’s in the United States section referred to by that name. Regardless of the minutia related to the original confusion, yours and mine, your question was definitively answered and there is no need to go on in this vein.

Now, as per Lisa’s request, we are going to abandon this discussion divergence, and goback to the original topic.

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22 Mar 2015
09:23:16pm
re: Reverse Offset

Quote:

"All of this could have been avoided if you indicated which Liberty Series Stamps the book was written about the 1954 which now I understand, or the 1914 Liberty Series (R21)!"



Sean is too nice to respond to such an in-your-face, mean spirited post, so I will take it upon myself to do so. You are the only person reading these posts who needed to be told that Sean was referencing the 1954 Liberty series. It was not necessary for him to eliminate Revenue stamps issued in 1914 from the discussion because no philatelist could possibly confuse "postage stamps" with "revenue" stamps. This entire divergence into the Twilight Zone was totally unnecessary. Further, I take umbrage at the way you turn simple queries around and, by your responses and phrasing, dump any and all blame for confusion of the issues back on someone else!


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22 Mar 2015
10:35:29pm
re: Reverse Offset

David - I'm not going to respond line-by-line to these posts. I'm going to say this: Bobby and I have tried to help you understand how to speak to people in a respectful, and even kind manner, and you just do not get it.

At the member's request, I deleted part of my post. The sentiment remains the same.

This thread is closed. Good night.
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