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United States/BOB & Other : Faked I.R. Cancel

 

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06 Mar 2015
07:41:35am
If you examine it under a USB microscope (or a 20x-30x power loupe) my bet is you will find that the black is on top of the purple company cancel rather than underneath as it would be on a legit overprint.
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06 Mar 2015
09:37:34am
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Is looking at it under a microscope the only way to determine it's fake?

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06 Mar 2015
10:29:59am
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I've found that scanning it and making a jpeg usually works well. You can then blow it up and use the various filters to clearly see what is over/under what. Hue and saturation along with contrast and brightness usually make it evident.

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06 Mar 2015
11:32:37am
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"Does anyone else who has knowledgeable information on the stamp in question basic cancel, name of company, address, city and state, etc., want to comment?"



I don't understand the question. Doesn't the document you posted give you that information?
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06 Mar 2015
01:25:46pm
re: Faked I.R. Cancel

@usrevenues: I believe USAFE7 is asking for facts he might have missed or are not apparent on the document or stamps (correct me if I am wrong David). Other than that, just general comments.

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06 Mar 2015
01:40:10pm
re: Faked I.R. Cancel

Is the "I.R." a cancel or an overprint?

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06 Mar 2015
01:56:38pm
re: Faked I.R. Cancel

On legitimate stamps it is an overprint.

(Although technically, on some provisionals, you will see "I.R." as part of the cancel.)

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michael78651

06 Mar 2015
02:59:22pm
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"Is looking at it under a microscope the only way to determine it's fake?"



On the image provided, it is easy to see that the fake "IR" overprint is written on top of the cancel. This could be seen also using a magnifying glass. Of course, using higher magnifications gets you better resolutions (up to a point).
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06 Mar 2015
05:06:13pm
re: Faked I.R. Cancel

Hi David;

Is your industrial microscope by any chance a stereo scope with twin eyepieces? If it is,
do you think it has a greater advantage at identifying some of these things you are so
good at finding?

I used a stereo microscope for identifying defective parts as a manufacturing engineer
and found that you can see important details, that would be impossible otherwise! I
have often thought of getting one again to use for stamps, but not sure if it would be
worth the extra expense.

Just wonderin'....
TuskenRaider

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06 Mar 2015
07:41:35am

If you examine it under a USB microscope (or a 20x-30x power loupe) my bet is you will find that the black is on top of the purple company cancel rather than underneath as it would be on a legit overprint.

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06 Mar 2015
09:37:34am

re: Faked I.R. Cancel

Is looking at it under a microscope the only way to determine it's fake?

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06 Mar 2015
10:29:59am

re: Faked I.R. Cancel

I've found that scanning it and making a jpeg usually works well. You can then blow it up and use the various filters to clearly see what is over/under what. Hue and saturation along with contrast and brightness usually make it evident.

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06 Mar 2015
11:32:37am

re: Faked I.R. Cancel

"Does anyone else who has knowledgeable information on the stamp in question basic cancel, name of company, address, city and state, etc., want to comment?"



I don't understand the question. Doesn't the document you posted give you that information?
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06 Mar 2015
01:25:46pm

re: Faked I.R. Cancel

@usrevenues: I believe USAFE7 is asking for facts he might have missed or are not apparent on the document or stamps (correct me if I am wrong David). Other than that, just general comments.

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smauggie

06 Mar 2015
01:40:10pm

re: Faked I.R. Cancel

Is the "I.R." a cancel or an overprint?

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usrevenues

06 Mar 2015
01:56:38pm

re: Faked I.R. Cancel

On legitimate stamps it is an overprint.

(Although technically, on some provisionals, you will see "I.R." as part of the cancel.)

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michael78651

06 Mar 2015
02:59:22pm

re: Faked I.R. Cancel

"Is looking at it under a microscope the only way to determine it's fake?"



On the image provided, it is easy to see that the fake "IR" overprint is written on top of the cancel. This could be seen also using a magnifying glass. Of course, using higher magnifications gets you better resolutions (up to a point).
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06 Mar 2015
05:06:13pm

re: Faked I.R. Cancel

Hi David;

Is your industrial microscope by any chance a stereo scope with twin eyepieces? If it is,
do you think it has a greater advantage at identifying some of these things you are so
good at finding?

I used a stereo microscope for identifying defective parts as a manufacturing engineer
and found that you can see important details, that would be impossible otherwise! I
have often thought of getting one again to use for stamps, but not sure if it would be
worth the extra expense.

Just wonderin'....
TuskenRaider

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