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Measure the stamp, if it's rotary, it's not the experimental PC....
2013 Scotts list the #462 with EX PC $10.00
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David,
Flat plate printed stamps do not have streaks of ink running across the stamp unless a solvent was used at some point. Check the margins.... scan shows plenty of streaking.
The only way to know if you have a flat plate vs rotary is to measure the design.
Would have been a bit more pleasant to say you measured the design, if you know what that means.
Just trying to give you some more info to digest.
Mike
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If no one here can answer your question, you might want to contact The Precancel Stamp Society.
http://www.precancels.com/
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"The streaks are not a valid reference point of identification!"
" You should have read my last line on the original posting, all reference points (of identification) have been checked."
"So ECollector, so how do you measure stamp designs??? "
" But the older way is much cheaper and returns good results!"
"Also checked the reverse side of this stamp, any offset ink will 99% of the time indicate a flat plate printed stamp."
"So what say you out there in StampoRama land, is it real or just a mistake?"
Mike
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01:54:38am
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actually if you want to see the exact stamp....
http://www.precancels.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/US_Precancels.pdf
chapter 3, 1st stamp shown
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buyer from Rumseys should have checked Ebay....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bureau-Precancel-New-Orleans-LA-1c-Experimental-catalog-8/281535302657?_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131230161411%26meid%3D06b97fce285144498ffcc153f906094c%26pid%3D100012%26prg%3D20131230161411%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D390962778415
amazing they're coming out of the woodwork
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try this....
http://www.grainger.com/product/BAUSCH-LOMB-Scale-3H001?s_pp=false&picUrl=//static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/3H001_AL01?$smthumb$
Bausch and Lomb make some of the finest optics....
Mine is quite a bit older but this is the replacement......
(edit) My apologies, the above glass is not the replacement (for what I have) and will not aid in measuring anything over 20mm. After talking with my dad and going back to look at this, I also see it was made in China. Definitely not the same glass.
The glass I have was brought back from Germany by my dad, from the late 50's early 60's. It's a 40mm rule and appears to have much finer lines. It may have been custom ground for his project. If you can find one of these anywhere, I highly suggest buying it.
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The glass is ruled......
It's a magnified ruler, I'm sure there's a technical name for it, layout something or another....
Look at the Grainger item, the ruler is in/on the glass.....I thought it was the same but Graingers must be quite a bit smaller. With CAD programs now, these are probably going by the wayside.
I could not find another like what I have..... my Exacto ruler is even better than the old Phil-a-meter and Specialty Guage.... get em at Wal-mart for a couple of bucks, but then you or at least I need to hold a magnifing glass
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Mike, are you talking about a jeweler's loupe?
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"Mike, are you talking about a jeweler's loupe?"
No.... have you seen those cheap square magnifing glasses, you put the glass right on the stamp or any object?
Schematics and other prints can be on squares of paper yards long, at one time anyway....
engineers, techs, whoever needs to read a print and measure items on the print use a glass, it called some kind of layout magnified guage maybe. The ruler is etched into the glass so you can measure and magnify with one hand.
The one I have is about 60mm round, it has a 40mm ruler etched into the glass. Take a look at the link I posted, it looks just like that, I can't pull a pic. click back on the crumb trail and there are a couple, one is a protractor.
Unfortunately, these new ones don't come that big, I checked for about 1/2 hr....I have to believe they're available in the industry.
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Okay. I know what you're talking about. I used to have a smaller one. I gave it away in one of my stamp contests. I have a jeweler's loupe that has a ruler on the bottom.
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Really a loupe with a ruler....can only be about 5cm across?
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The ruler has grids for 2CM. There is about 1CM on each side of the grids.
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OK makes sense...actually sounds kind of cool, but useless....
I was thinking on the lines of... a guy at work that has a glass that looks like a giant loop (maybe3-4xs larger) with a 10mm ruler etched in. It's not something you could hold with your eye.
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Maybe I used the wrong term for this magnifier, but it is called a "loupe". A 2cm ruler is a 20mm ruler. It has 8x magnification. It is not worn on the eye. I don't use it as much as I probably should.
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The #462 is a flat plate printed stamp..... it looks like you have a rotary stamp just from the amount of ink streaking, just what I'm seeing.
Measure the stamp, if it's rotary, it's not the experimental PC....
2013 Scotts list the #462 with EX PC $10.00
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re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
David,
Flat plate printed stamps do not have streaks of ink running across the stamp unless a solvent was used at some point. Check the margins.... scan shows plenty of streaking.
The only way to know if you have a flat plate vs rotary is to measure the design.
Would have been a bit more pleasant to say you measured the design, if you know what that means.
Just trying to give you some more info to digest.
Mike
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11:08:18pm
re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
If no one here can answer your question, you might want to contact The Precancel Stamp Society.
http://www.precancels.com/
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re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
"The streaks are not a valid reference point of identification!"
" You should have read my last line on the original posting, all reference points (of identification) have been checked."
"So ECollector, so how do you measure stamp designs??? "
" But the older way is much cheaper and returns good results!"
"Also checked the reverse side of this stamp, any offset ink will 99% of the time indicate a flat plate printed stamp."
"So what say you out there in StampoRama land, is it real or just a mistake?"
Mike
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21 Feb 2015
01:54:38am
re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
For the second time in two days, please respect each other and be courteous on the discussion board at all times.
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re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
actually if you want to see the exact stamp....
http://www.precancels.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/US_Precancels.pdf
chapter 3, 1st stamp shown
(Modified by Moderator on 2015-02-21 21:17:30)
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re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
buyer from Rumseys should have checked Ebay....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bureau-Precancel-New-Orleans-LA-1c-Experimental-catalog-8/281535302657?_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131230161411%26meid%3D06b97fce285144498ffcc153f906094c%26pid%3D100012%26prg%3D20131230161411%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D390962778415
amazing they're coming out of the woodwork
(Modified by Moderator on 2015-02-21 21:18:14)
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re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
try this....
http://www.grainger.com/product/BAUSCH-LOMB-Scale-3H001?s_pp=false&picUrl=//static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/3H001_AL01?$smthumb$
Bausch and Lomb make some of the finest optics....
Mine is quite a bit older but this is the replacement......
(edit) My apologies, the above glass is not the replacement (for what I have) and will not aid in measuring anything over 20mm. After talking with my dad and going back to look at this, I also see it was made in China. Definitely not the same glass.
The glass I have was brought back from Germany by my dad, from the late 50's early 60's. It's a 40mm rule and appears to have much finer lines. It may have been custom ground for his project. If you can find one of these anywhere, I highly suggest buying it.
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re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
The glass is ruled......
It's a magnified ruler, I'm sure there's a technical name for it, layout something or another....
Look at the Grainger item, the ruler is in/on the glass.....I thought it was the same but Graingers must be quite a bit smaller. With CAD programs now, these are probably going by the wayside.
I could not find another like what I have..... my Exacto ruler is even better than the old Phil-a-meter and Specialty Guage.... get em at Wal-mart for a couple of bucks, but then you or at least I need to hold a magnifing glass
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07:27:47pm
re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
Mike, are you talking about a jeweler's loupe?
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re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
"Mike, are you talking about a jeweler's loupe?"
No.... have you seen those cheap square magnifing glasses, you put the glass right on the stamp or any object?
Schematics and other prints can be on squares of paper yards long, at one time anyway....
engineers, techs, whoever needs to read a print and measure items on the print use a glass, it called some kind of layout magnified guage maybe. The ruler is etched into the glass so you can measure and magnify with one hand.
The one I have is about 60mm round, it has a 40mm ruler etched into the glass. Take a look at the link I posted, it looks just like that, I can't pull a pic. click back on the crumb trail and there are a couple, one is a protractor.
Unfortunately, these new ones don't come that big, I checked for about 1/2 hr....I have to believe they're available in the industry.
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09:47:45pm
re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
Okay. I know what you're talking about. I used to have a smaller one. I gave it away in one of my stamp contests. I have a jeweler's loupe that has a ruler on the bottom.
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re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
Really a loupe with a ruler....can only be about 5cm across?
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02:39:13am
re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
The ruler has grids for 2CM. There is about 1CM on each side of the grids.
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re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
OK makes sense...actually sounds kind of cool, but useless....
I was thinking on the lines of... a guy at work that has a glass that looks like a giant loop (maybe3-4xs larger) with a 10mm ruler etched in. It's not something you could hold with your eye.
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01:46:50pm
re: 462 with Experimental Bureau Precancel?
Maybe I used the wrong term for this magnifier, but it is called a "loupe". A 2cm ruler is a 20mm ruler. It has 8x magnification. It is not worn on the eye. I don't use it as much as I probably should.
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