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donhearl
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30 Jan 2015
09:13:17pm
I have obtained several mint Iceland stamps that were held in place by the selvage. I'm not sure whether to keep the selvage attached. Some have wavy lines and what look like control numbers. The selvage is damaged from the sticking to the album page on an otherwise MNH stamp. While I don't collect mint stamps, specifically, I will build some pages around these beautiful stamps. I will post up some pics when I get home.

Any opinions on whether to keep or discard the selvage?

Thanks!!

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TuskenRaider
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30 Jan 2015
09:55:42pm
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Hi donhearl;

Discard, makes them look lopsided!

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30 Jan 2015
10:14:41pm

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Oh nooooooo don't remove selvage with markings! Yikes! I love margin copies with selvage! Makes them much more interesting

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30 Jan 2015
10:51:19pm
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Hi Everyone;

I defer to philatelia; I didn't realize they had markings! I was just thinking a blank tab
sticking out. Yes much more interesting.

slinking off to Mos Eisley Cantina for a nite of drinking.... Party
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30 Jan 2015
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I'll buy the first round! But, leave your blaster at the door, eh?

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31 Jan 2015
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re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Selvage is not needed if it is blank paper. However, if there are any printed markings then keep it attached - you can fold it under if it fits in your album better. Keeping the selvage with printed markings helps authenticate the stamp as being real and not faked.

Rick VanGorder Phoenix AZ

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31 Jan 2015
01:21:18pm
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

I'm new to collecting modern Iceland. And since I aquired this material, I think it worthy of writing up, then getting back to my pre 1945 stuff...

Here is an example of what I'm talking about:

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It looks like the former owner of this collection decoratively trimmed the selvage. I could take it or leave it.

Now this page has control numbers (maybe date codes?) This is a little more interesting. I also have used copies of all these, but with cancel to favor cancels or soaked off FDCs. (not my doing)

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Fun stuff anyway!

Don





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31 Jan 2015
07:38:36pm
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

It's up to you, of course what you do with that selvedge. I tear off the selvedge unless I need it to help ID a stamp. A plate number can be useful for similar looking stamps, if the plate was used for only one type of printing.

From what you have shown, I can tell you that I have, will and do tear off that type of selvedge so that the stamps fit nice and neat on my album pages.

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02 Feb 2015
11:56:01am
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Basically, I'd shoot the previous owner Happy

I've got a decent Iceland collection, but almost none have control markings or selvage decorations. If someone did that to a collection of Iceland stamps... Grrrr...


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02 Feb 2015
08:05:41pm
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Hi DaSaintFan;

Would you be shootin' him with a 200mm telephoto or a 9mm Glock? Rolling On The Floor Laughing

I'd choose a blaster myself....
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03 Feb 2015
10:30:22am
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

.380 .... but I'd have plastic all over the place to protect the collection from unnecessary splatter Happy

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03 Feb 2015
12:01:52pm
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Hi DaSaintFan;

If I use my 357 Magnum (Taurus, made in Brazil) with a 156 grain, soft nose lead I would
use a tarp.

We have real big predators up here in northern Michigan. 200 lb.+ cougars, 300 lb.+ black
bears, large coyote packs, plus a big wild Asian boar population. The DNR has warned local
residents, that if you see one shoot like you mean it, because these don't bluff, they just
charge, are low to the ground and very fast. The cold weather makes the boars get really big.

Just to get back on topic, I'm just curious, is it the trimming of the selvage with the corners
cut off that you didn't like?

Just stayin' alive....
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03 Feb 2015
01:28:01pm
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Hi All,

I'm taking that trimmed up selvage off as I see no need for it. I haven't decided whether I'm removing the wavy line selvage or not. Facit shows a value for date codes in blocks of four but not singles. I'm going to see how my page layouts turn out.

Regards,

Don

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03 Feb 2015
04:14:59pm
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Pretty much, Tusken.

To me, if the selvage has any details on it (panel, block #, charity notation, etc.), it needs to be treated the same as a stamp (Other than say folding it back behind the stamp for aesthetics sake).

Once you make those cuts that the first page have, you've pretty much destroyed the selvage and any purpose that went with it, and might as well take it off. Or at least I can't think of a reason you'd leave it on there any further.

Although I will say there is a possibility I hadn't considered until just now. The selvage actually hadn't been cut, and it naturally fit that way... where the selvage is in an "odd" shape to start with on a two-strip panel of stamps.. But I can't think of any stamps off the top of my head that do that

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03 Feb 2015
09:30:51pm
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Hi DaSaintFan;

I just took another look too, after reading your last statement. I noticed that the angles
are different for almost every one of them, so they were done by a collector with scissors.

Gotta get back to the cantina....
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03 Feb 2015
09:36:18pm
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

I had a selvage removing party tonight! Big Grin

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04 Feb 2015
09:39:33am
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

I am not a fan of selvage myself, but usually now when I receive a stamp with selvage that I know I am going to turn around and trade away, I will keep it on.

I have made exceptions regarding selvage--for example, there is a 2 stamp set from IOM which features musical composers and a piece of their musical score is in the selvage. It really enhances the stamp in that case.


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donhearl
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04 Feb 2015
09:39:55am
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

So these coooooold nights in TN have me at the stamp table working on Iceland. appropriate, methinks.

I'm sorting into 104 cards until I can get my pages designed. It looks like the collection tapers off around 1990.

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having fun!

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04 Feb 2015
09:44:23am

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Tongs, catalog, magnifier - Yeah!!! Now that's a philatelist's desk!!! Love it! And all those Iceland look like so much fun. Enjoy!!!

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04 Feb 2015
10:05:20am
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

thanks!! I promise that I didn't remove any "good" selvage!

Anyway, that was a non-staged picture in progress. I should have had my perf. gauge visible too. lol

Don

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04 Feb 2015
10:40:43am
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Also, no food, drinks or tobacco in the picture either!

"I have made exceptions regarding selvage--for example, there is a 2 stamp set from IOM which features musical composers and a piece of their musical score is in the selvage. It really enhances the stamp in that case.
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I do have plenty of stamps like that. I do make an exception with those.
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04 Feb 2015
11:53:48am
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

"Tongs, catalog, magnifier - Yeah!!! Now that's a philatelist's desk!!! Love it! And all those Iceland look like so much fun. Enjoy!!!"



Except i see too much table in the picture Happy Means more room for more stamps and supplies....
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04 Feb 2015
02:18:33pm
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Good point! How did we miss that?

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04 Feb 2015
02:22:44pm
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

An Icelandic festival--just as long as there are no volcanic eruptions in the middle of it. Big Grin

I like your new avatar with the Icelandic dragon--although I prefer the 500K version myself!!

Have fun--Iceland is definitely an interesting country to collect! BOB

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04 Feb 2015
02:24:45pm
re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

That table is actually a hollow core door placed horizontally on two short bookshelves. My wife thought a craft table would be great for the basement, well it's my stamp table, currently...not sure she had that in mind! There is ALOT of room on there. I will make sure it is more cluttered and packed with stuff next time! haha

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donhearl

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30 Jan 2015
09:13:17pm

I have obtained several mint Iceland stamps that were held in place by the selvage. I'm not sure whether to keep the selvage attached. Some have wavy lines and what look like control numbers. The selvage is damaged from the sticking to the album page on an otherwise MNH stamp. While I don't collect mint stamps, specifically, I will build some pages around these beautiful stamps. I will post up some pics when I get home.

Any opinions on whether to keep or discard the selvage?

Thanks!!

Don

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TuskenRaider

30 Jan 2015
09:55:42pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Hi donhearl;

Discard, makes them look lopsided!

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30 Jan 2015
10:14:41pm

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Oh nooooooo don't remove selvage with markings! Yikes! I love margin copies with selvage! Makes them much more interesting

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TuskenRaider

30 Jan 2015
10:51:19pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Hi Everyone;

I defer to philatelia; I didn't realize they had markings! I was just thinking a blank tab
sticking out. Yes much more interesting.

slinking off to Mos Eisley Cantina for a nite of drinking.... Party
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30 Jan 2015
11:06:36pm

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I'll buy the first round! But, leave your blaster at the door, eh?

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31 Jan 2015
12:56:00pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Selvage is not needed if it is blank paper. However, if there are any printed markings then keep it attached - you can fold it under if it fits in your album better. Keeping the selvage with printed markings helps authenticate the stamp as being real and not faked.

Rick VanGorder Phoenix AZ

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donhearl

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31 Jan 2015
01:21:18pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

I'm new to collecting modern Iceland. And since I aquired this material, I think it worthy of writing up, then getting back to my pre 1945 stuff...

Here is an example of what I'm talking about:

Image Not Found

It looks like the former owner of this collection decoratively trimmed the selvage. I could take it or leave it.

Now this page has control numbers (maybe date codes?) This is a little more interesting. I also have used copies of all these, but with cancel to favor cancels or soaked off FDCs. (not my doing)

Image Not Found

Fun stuff anyway!

Don





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31 Jan 2015
07:38:36pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

It's up to you, of course what you do with that selvedge. I tear off the selvedge unless I need it to help ID a stamp. A plate number can be useful for similar looking stamps, if the plate was used for only one type of printing.

From what you have shown, I can tell you that I have, will and do tear off that type of selvedge so that the stamps fit nice and neat on my album pages.

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DaSaintFan

02 Feb 2015
11:56:01am

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Basically, I'd shoot the previous owner Happy

I've got a decent Iceland collection, but almost none have control markings or selvage decorations. If someone did that to a collection of Iceland stamps... Grrrr...


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02 Feb 2015
08:05:41pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Hi DaSaintFan;

Would you be shootin' him with a 200mm telephoto or a 9mm Glock? Rolling On The Floor Laughing

I'd choose a blaster myself....
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03 Feb 2015
10:30:22am

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

.380 .... but I'd have plastic all over the place to protect the collection from unnecessary splatter Happy

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TuskenRaider

03 Feb 2015
12:01:52pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Hi DaSaintFan;

If I use my 357 Magnum (Taurus, made in Brazil) with a 156 grain, soft nose lead I would
use a tarp.

We have real big predators up here in northern Michigan. 200 lb.+ cougars, 300 lb.+ black
bears, large coyote packs, plus a big wild Asian boar population. The DNR has warned local
residents, that if you see one shoot like you mean it, because these don't bluff, they just
charge, are low to the ground and very fast. The cold weather makes the boars get really big.

Just to get back on topic, I'm just curious, is it the trimming of the selvage with the corners
cut off that you didn't like?

Just stayin' alive....
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donhearl

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03 Feb 2015
01:28:01pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Hi All,

I'm taking that trimmed up selvage off as I see no need for it. I haven't decided whether I'm removing the wavy line selvage or not. Facit shows a value for date codes in blocks of four but not singles. I'm going to see how my page layouts turn out.

Regards,

Don

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DaSaintFan

03 Feb 2015
04:14:59pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Pretty much, Tusken.

To me, if the selvage has any details on it (panel, block #, charity notation, etc.), it needs to be treated the same as a stamp (Other than say folding it back behind the stamp for aesthetics sake).

Once you make those cuts that the first page have, you've pretty much destroyed the selvage and any purpose that went with it, and might as well take it off. Or at least I can't think of a reason you'd leave it on there any further.

Although I will say there is a possibility I hadn't considered until just now. The selvage actually hadn't been cut, and it naturally fit that way... where the selvage is in an "odd" shape to start with on a two-strip panel of stamps.. But I can't think of any stamps off the top of my head that do that

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03 Feb 2015
09:30:51pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Hi DaSaintFan;

I just took another look too, after reading your last statement. I noticed that the angles
are different for almost every one of them, so they were done by a collector with scissors.

Gotta get back to the cantina....
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03 Feb 2015
09:36:18pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

I had a selvage removing party tonight! Big Grin

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04 Feb 2015
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re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

I am not a fan of selvage myself, but usually now when I receive a stamp with selvage that I know I am going to turn around and trade away, I will keep it on.

I have made exceptions regarding selvage--for example, there is a 2 stamp set from IOM which features musical composers and a piece of their musical score is in the selvage. It really enhances the stamp in that case.


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09:39:55am

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

So these coooooold nights in TN have me at the stamp table working on Iceland. appropriate, methinks.

I'm sorting into 104 cards until I can get my pages designed. It looks like the collection tapers off around 1990.

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having fun!

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04 Feb 2015
09:44:23am

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re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Tongs, catalog, magnifier - Yeah!!! Now that's a philatelist's desk!!! Love it! And all those Iceland look like so much fun. Enjoy!!!

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04 Feb 2015
10:05:20am

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

thanks!! I promise that I didn't remove any "good" selvage!

Anyway, that was a non-staged picture in progress. I should have had my perf. gauge visible too. lol

Don

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04 Feb 2015
10:40:43am

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Also, no food, drinks or tobacco in the picture either!

"I have made exceptions regarding selvage--for example, there is a 2 stamp set from IOM which features musical composers and a piece of their musical score is in the selvage. It really enhances the stamp in that case.
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I do have plenty of stamps like that. I do make an exception with those.
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04 Feb 2015
11:53:48am

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

"Tongs, catalog, magnifier - Yeah!!! Now that's a philatelist's desk!!! Love it! And all those Iceland look like so much fun. Enjoy!!!"



Except i see too much table in the picture Happy Means more room for more stamps and supplies....
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04 Feb 2015
02:18:33pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

Good point! How did we miss that?

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04 Feb 2015
02:22:44pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

An Icelandic festival--just as long as there are no volcanic eruptions in the middle of it. Big Grin

I like your new avatar with the Icelandic dragon--although I prefer the 500K version myself!!

Have fun--Iceland is definitely an interesting country to collect! BOB

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04 Feb 2015
02:24:45pm

re: Iceland Mint singles with selvage

That table is actually a hollow core door placed horizontally on two short bookshelves. My wife thought a craft table would be great for the basement, well it's my stamp table, currently...not sure she had that in mind! There is ALOT of room on there. I will make sure it is more cluttered and packed with stuff next time! haha

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