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I guess Mom was right when she said "everything comes to he that waits" i waited a long time for one of these and got it for 3 dollars tonight !
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Nice find Philby!
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knew I should have started the bidding higher... hey, wait, I did
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i met your minimum bid and none dared bid agin me !
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Thanks old buddy BeeSee !!!
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It's always exciting when wishes come true.
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i have witnessed some amazing things in the stamp world..a stamp dealer told one of my friends.."everything comes around eventually".
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That is a good book philb
I bought one several years ago and found it to be quite informative.
This is the cover of my edition.
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Hi Phil & Bujutsu... Can either of you give us other members who do not have or have ever seen this Catalog some idea of what info is contained in it. Is it mainly stories or does it contain pricing info on covers, etc? This would help members that collect this field decide if they would want a copy for their interests.
You do not have to go into great detail, just a couple of sentences describing what it has inside should suffice.
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Mike in NC, I was just thinking the same thing! Throughout my entire life, anything with the word "zeppelin" in it was off limits - too much $$. A nice catalog on the other hand... now maybe that I could afford.
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Geostamper i was typing a reply to Mike O. When you post came in. The Zepp covers i have purchased were between $8.00 and 20.00..of course this is for the more "common ones" if i wanted a zepp cover from Guatemala it would be very expensive. Heres one of my covers from LZ29 (Hindenburg). The catalog surprises me that it does show prices for the covers..since the book is from 1995 and prices vary all the time, Covers from LZ27 Hindenburg tend to be more expensive !!
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i TRIED to scan a page showing the flight start date and destinations...but with folding the book in the scanner it made them unreadable...i am brand new with this book..but using the schedule i see that the flight this cover was on left Germany 5/06/36 and arrived Lakehurst 5/9/36..then the trail gets slower..the backstamp for Palmyra is 5/19 !!!!!
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Hi Phil..OK, so based on your last 2 posts, I take it that the catalog contains info regarding flight schedules (departure & arrival dates) and pricing info of various covers. Does is also give historic info regarding each airship? How about rate info? I would assume that a Zeppelin collector would be interested in this type of info.
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Mike, of course they are in German...i am sure there is much info in them but we need a German reader !!
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Geostamper, i guess when you are referring to the U.S. C13-15 set when talking about expensive Zepp covers...there is no shortage of them for sure...i would not buy one...who would put out a set of 3 stamps with a face value of $4.55 when my father was getting paid 15 dollars a week as a law clerk ?
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Phil,
As I understand it, your father's situation, and millions of others like him, is what caused the Post Office to destroy a large percentage of the Zeppelin stamps. With the Depression going on, no one could afford them. I wonder if they hadn't been destroyed, would they still have the same allure, and "untouchability," that they do today?
As a kid collecting in the 1970s, the Zeppelin stamps themselves were not something I was going to get my hands on. Might as well have been the British Guiana 1c! I just looked on eBay, and there is a gorgeous set C13-15 used for $1,195 OBO, and two slightly less attractive sets for $900 and $1000. While I'm making more than lawn mowing money these days, $1200 is still a big chunk.
So your covers offer an intriguing idea. They won't fill the three spaces in my National album, but they might be something I could both afford and enjoy. I never was much of a fan of covers, but since joining SOR a year ago, I've started to re-think that. So much history there on those envelopes that is not present in the stamps alone. In the past few weeks I've picked up several covers that have local interest to give me a taste.
Thanks for the great info and ideas!
Steve
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Geostamper, i guess you could call me a lifetime worldwide collector...who is now seeing the wisdom of spending on a smaller area...much smaller..like the covers and postcards of the Dutch East Indies. As a nine year old i could afford the 2 and 3 cent worldwide approvals sent by the mail order houses, i could even purchase the 3 cent U.S. stamps from the post office...but they were not attractive...mostly one color..purple or green and even as i child i realized that the "older" U.S. issues were too expensive for me on a budget of 35 cents a week..i mean i had to go to the movies and buy candy on Saturday morning !!!
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Phil, similar experiences a few years behind you and after a bit of inflation, during the 8- and 10-cent era. In my high school years, I was making enough money lifting hay and busing tables to occasionally spend a couple dollars on a stamp!
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Well then, i stacked hay bales under the barn roof for 75 cents an hour but i never bussed tables..i probably would have punched someone !
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By the time I was putting up hay, it was $1.50 or $2 per hour. So you are fully aware of how hot and miserable it is in the upper part of the hayloft! You are also likely aware of the big differences in weight between a bale of dry straw and a green bale of a heavy grass like Sudan or Alfalfa.
Busing tables would likely not have given you any additional life lessons, except maybe for experience with personal interaction skills with grumpy customers, waitresses, cooks, and managers. 
I'll stick with lifting hay...
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Please get back to Zepplins and move your discussion of summer jobs to the off topic area.
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i have no more to add on the Zeppelins !!
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Being such a narrow book, it is hard to scan. However, for those of you who are not familiar with this catalogue, it lists / illustrates, all the various cachets found on the zeppelin fights WW. It lists them with prices on cover. My edition was published in 2001 and lists them all in Euros. The catalogue also list the zeppelin stamps that were issued WW to commemorate the different flights. I should also note that the catalogue also lists the different types of cancellations that can be found on the different flights as well.
If you have further questions, then please do not hesitate to ask.
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Hi Bujutsu, Good to see BeeSee and yourself...my 1995 copy is probably still priced in Marks !! phil
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Thanks philb
Always glad to help where I can.
I found that there was a risk of breaking the spine of the catalogue when trying to scan part way through the book. Other than this, I find it to be quite interesting and informative.
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Hi. I need help to understand the postage rate for this letter.
Do any collectors have postage rate tables for Zeppelin flights?
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"Hi. I need help to understand the postage rate for this letter."
That is quite a calculation
Postal Rates
The international base rates were RM 0.15 for a postcard and RM 0.25 for a letter.
The airmail surcharge rate was an additional 1.25 RM per 5 grams for Brazil or 1.50 RM per 5 grams to other countries in Latin America.
Registration was an additional RM 0.30
For exactly 25 grams the rate would be 5 x 1.25 RM + 0.25 RM + 0.30 RM = 6.80 RM
This letter was posted with 6,65 RM so your cover would have weighted almost 25 grams
Look at the following sites for more help :
https://slettebo.no/graphics/Zeppelin.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin_mail
https://siegelauctions.com/exhibits/Zepp_1932-1933.pdf
The latter is most interesting, I think
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Some examples of pages of the Sieger Catalog :
Begriffsbestimmungen = Definitions
Sonderveranstaltungen = Special events
Vertragsstaaten = Contracting States
Kriegs-Luftschiffe = Airships of war
Heeres-Luftschiffe = Army airships
Marine-Luftschiffe = Navy airships
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"Mike, of course they are in German...i am sure there is much info in them but we need a German reader !!"
Philb is that catalog in Gothic like this?
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You can find very interesting examples of zeppelin covers on "www.germanstamps.net"
and also an interesting presentation on:
https://www.stampcommunity.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=53037&whichpage=2
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Hockey, afraid not...this one is from 1995
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" ... Begriffsbestimmungen = Definitions
Sonderveranstaltungen = Special events
Vertragsstaaten = Contracting States
Kriegs-Luftschiffe = Airships of war
Heeres-Luftschiffe = Army airships
Marine-Luftschiffe = Navy airships ..."
I have heard it said that the war was lost
because the Lufthansa did not know what the
Righthansa was doing.
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Thank you very much, HockeyNut
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Please, help me with the postage rates of these 2 itens. I´m describing these itens into a thematic collection about Mammals.
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I guess Mom was right when she said "everything comes to he that waits" i waited a long time for one of these and got it for 3 dollars tonight !
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Nice find Philby!
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knew I should have started the bidding higher... hey, wait, I did
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i met your minimum bid and none dared bid agin me !
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Thanks old buddy BeeSee !!!
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It's always exciting when wishes come true.
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i have witnessed some amazing things in the stamp world..a stamp dealer told one of my friends.."everything comes around eventually".
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That is a good book philb
I bought one several years ago and found it to be quite informative.
This is the cover of my edition.
Chimo
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Hi Phil & Bujutsu... Can either of you give us other members who do not have or have ever seen this Catalog some idea of what info is contained in it. Is it mainly stories or does it contain pricing info on covers, etc? This would help members that collect this field decide if they would want a copy for their interests.
You do not have to go into great detail, just a couple of sentences describing what it has inside should suffice.
Thanks
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Mike in NC, I was just thinking the same thing! Throughout my entire life, anything with the word "zeppelin" in it was off limits - too much $$. A nice catalog on the other hand... now maybe that I could afford.
-Steve
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Geostamper i was typing a reply to Mike O. When you post came in. The Zepp covers i have purchased were between $8.00 and 20.00..of course this is for the more "common ones" if i wanted a zepp cover from Guatemala it would be very expensive. Heres one of my covers from LZ29 (Hindenburg). The catalog surprises me that it does show prices for the covers..since the book is from 1995 and prices vary all the time, Covers from LZ27 Hindenburg tend to be more expensive !!
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re: Picked up a sieger Zeppelin Katalog at the club auction tonight !
i TRIED to scan a page showing the flight start date and destinations...but with folding the book in the scanner it made them unreadable...i am brand new with this book..but using the schedule i see that the flight this cover was on left Germany 5/06/36 and arrived Lakehurst 5/9/36..then the trail gets slower..the backstamp for Palmyra is 5/19 !!!!!
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Hi Phil..OK, so based on your last 2 posts, I take it that the catalog contains info regarding flight schedules (departure & arrival dates) and pricing info of various covers. Does is also give historic info regarding each airship? How about rate info? I would assume that a Zeppelin collector would be interested in this type of info.
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Mike, of course they are in German...i am sure there is much info in them but we need a German reader !!
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Geostamper, i guess when you are referring to the U.S. C13-15 set when talking about expensive Zepp covers...there is no shortage of them for sure...i would not buy one...who would put out a set of 3 stamps with a face value of $4.55 when my father was getting paid 15 dollars a week as a law clerk ?
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Phil,
As I understand it, your father's situation, and millions of others like him, is what caused the Post Office to destroy a large percentage of the Zeppelin stamps. With the Depression going on, no one could afford them. I wonder if they hadn't been destroyed, would they still have the same allure, and "untouchability," that they do today?
As a kid collecting in the 1970s, the Zeppelin stamps themselves were not something I was going to get my hands on. Might as well have been the British Guiana 1c! I just looked on eBay, and there is a gorgeous set C13-15 used for $1,195 OBO, and two slightly less attractive sets for $900 and $1000. While I'm making more than lawn mowing money these days, $1200 is still a big chunk.
So your covers offer an intriguing idea. They won't fill the three spaces in my National album, but they might be something I could both afford and enjoy. I never was much of a fan of covers, but since joining SOR a year ago, I've started to re-think that. So much history there on those envelopes that is not present in the stamps alone. In the past few weeks I've picked up several covers that have local interest to give me a taste.
Thanks for the great info and ideas!
Steve
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Geostamper, i guess you could call me a lifetime worldwide collector...who is now seeing the wisdom of spending on a smaller area...much smaller..like the covers and postcards of the Dutch East Indies. As a nine year old i could afford the 2 and 3 cent worldwide approvals sent by the mail order houses, i could even purchase the 3 cent U.S. stamps from the post office...but they were not attractive...mostly one color..purple or green and even as i child i realized that the "older" U.S. issues were too expensive for me on a budget of 35 cents a week..i mean i had to go to the movies and buy candy on Saturday morning !!!
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Phil, similar experiences a few years behind you and after a bit of inflation, during the 8- and 10-cent era. In my high school years, I was making enough money lifting hay and busing tables to occasionally spend a couple dollars on a stamp!
Steve
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Well then, i stacked hay bales under the barn roof for 75 cents an hour but i never bussed tables..i probably would have punched someone !
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By the time I was putting up hay, it was $1.50 or $2 per hour. So you are fully aware of how hot and miserable it is in the upper part of the hayloft! You are also likely aware of the big differences in weight between a bale of dry straw and a green bale of a heavy grass like Sudan or Alfalfa.
Busing tables would likely not have given you any additional life lessons, except maybe for experience with personal interaction skills with grumpy customers, waitresses, cooks, and managers. I'll stick with lifting hay...
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Please get back to Zepplins and move your discussion of summer jobs to the off topic area.
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i have no more to add on the Zeppelins !!
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Hi All
Being such a narrow book, it is hard to scan. However, for those of you who are not familiar with this catalogue, it lists / illustrates, all the various cachets found on the zeppelin fights WW. It lists them with prices on cover. My edition was published in 2001 and lists them all in Euros. The catalogue also list the zeppelin stamps that were issued WW to commemorate the different flights. I should also note that the catalogue also lists the different types of cancellations that can be found on the different flights as well.
If you have further questions, then please do not hesitate to ask.
Chimo
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Hi Bujutsu, Good to see BeeSee and yourself...my 1995 copy is probably still priced in Marks !! phil
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Thanks philb
Always glad to help where I can.
I found that there was a risk of breaking the spine of the catalogue when trying to scan part way through the book. Other than this, I find it to be quite interesting and informative.
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Hi. I need help to understand the postage rate for this letter.
Do any collectors have postage rate tables for Zeppelin flights?
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"Hi. I need help to understand the postage rate for this letter."
That is quite a calculation
Postal Rates
The international base rates were RM 0.15 for a postcard and RM 0.25 for a letter.
The airmail surcharge rate was an additional 1.25 RM per 5 grams for Brazil or 1.50 RM per 5 grams to other countries in Latin America.
Registration was an additional RM 0.30
For exactly 25 grams the rate would be 5 x 1.25 RM + 0.25 RM + 0.30 RM = 6.80 RM
This letter was posted with 6,65 RM so your cover would have weighted almost 25 grams
Look at the following sites for more help :
https://slettebo.no/graphics/Zeppelin.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin_mail
https://siegelauctions.com/exhibits/Zepp_1932-1933.pdf
The latter is most interesting, I think
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Some examples of pages of the Sieger Catalog :
Begriffsbestimmungen = Definitions
Sonderveranstaltungen = Special events
Vertragsstaaten = Contracting States
Kriegs-Luftschiffe = Airships of war
Heeres-Luftschiffe = Army airships
Marine-Luftschiffe = Navy airships
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"Mike, of course they are in German...i am sure there is much info in them but we need a German reader !!"
Philb is that catalog in Gothic like this?
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Hello
You can find very interesting examples of zeppelin covers on "www.germanstamps.net"
and also an interesting presentation on:
https://www.stampcommunity.org/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=53037&whichpage=2
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Hockey, afraid not...this one is from 1995
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" ... Begriffsbestimmungen = Definitions
Sonderveranstaltungen = Special events
Vertragsstaaten = Contracting States
Kriegs-Luftschiffe = Airships of war
Heeres-Luftschiffe = Army airships
Marine-Luftschiffe = Navy airships ..."
I have heard it said that the war was lost
because the Lufthansa did not know what the
Righthansa was doing.
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Thank you very much, HockeyNut
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Please, help me with the postage rates of these 2 itens. I´m describing these itens into a thematic collection about Mammals.
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