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Hi all. While going thru some old material that I had bought on Ebay about 12 years ago, I re-found this old cover which I believe shows a Ring of Pearls "silent precancel" on the postage due stamp. I believe I have an old pamphlet which describes some of these 'silent precancels' but just can not find it at the moment. So while I am searching for it, I am posting this item for any comments. Silent precancels was the fore-runners of the normal city/state precancels that we are familiar with. Mike in NC / meostamps
PS The cover does contain a 3 page enclosed note which might account for the addition postage due stamps at the time. And the paper of both the cover and the letter is on the thick side, which may account for the item needing additional postage above the 3c stamp that it was originally posted with.
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Minor correction. This was not an old Ebay purchase but something I picked up from a vendor at a small outdoor flea market in lower Manhattan in the 2004-5 period. Believe I paid less than $5 for it, probably closer to $ 3.00 Mike in NC / meostamps
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Hi All
My information comes from the 1925 edition of "handbook on bureau and local Precancels".
These ring of pearls comes in three variations, but I've only have two. The variations are indicated which way the tail on the "Y" points as follows:
Tail of the "Y" points to right. (see below)
Tail of the "Y" points to left. (see below)
Tail of the "Y" points the vertical (reported to occur only on the 5 center, I've never seen one of these so I can't say for sure they exist)
The cover shown on the original post by mdroth, is the only cover I've ever seen, of course there could be many more out there, just do not remember seeing one before.
Seems like all I've seen always have 24 pearls, has anyone seen more or less pearls?
Original covers showing this precancel indicate that it was used by a number of New York City substations during the period from 1879 to 1886.
DAVID THOMPSON
MSGT/USAF/RETIRED
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This is an interesting area and I have not found many people who know a lot about it.
First, is it possible that the left facing and right facing cancels are really the same one, depending on whether the handstamp was applied right-facing or rotated 180 degrees?
Next, I have found String of Pearls cancels on all of the values in the first and second series of postage dues. Not so common in the second set, but many of them can be viewed on the PF site by dialing in on previous certs issued. Curiously, J7 is much much more common with a precancel than a standard cancel.
Speaking of J7, I just bought a J7 on eBay that was advertised as a J21. Curiously, it is NG (but sadly with a crease). Has anyone ever seen an unused String of Pearls?
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On reflection, you weren't suggesting that there were two different precancel stamps, just that they were applied in two ways. My bad.
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Mike:
I've a couple of these in my NY precancel collection.
David
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David can you give me an idea of the value of such a silent precancel.? I have been following a few on ebay but have not bid as I didn`t know their value ..and was watching my budget..lol
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Providing there is a complete precancel on the stamp, and it is a fault-free stamp, F-VF centring or better, generally $15-$20.
David
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Thanks Dave...will keep an eye out for a reasonable sample.....
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the book titled
Postal History and Usage of 1907 and Earlier Precancels
by Charles C. Souder copyright 1989
i just purchased this book recently and below is a copy of an insert from the book
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I am pretty sure I got my right-facing New York String of Pearls precancel on this US Scott# J18 from right here on Stamporama.
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05:54:55pm
Gorgeous stamp!! Thanks for showing this!!
EDIT: I was just looking through my postage dues and I have one that is very faded (blue facing left) and if I hadn't seen this post I would have never known it was a precancel. It would be fantastic to have a bright example that has a SON cancel. I really do learn something new here almost every day. Thanks for that!!!
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There are 3 types.
#1 Right facing "Y"
#2 Left facing "Y"
#3 Facing up "Y".
#3 is rare.
Comes with black pearls. Also comes with blue cancels.
I believe there are 28 pearls (but better check this).
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09:51:59pm
At least this talk about the Ring of Pearls gives me a blue precancel to go with my red and black!
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Hi all. While going thru some old material that I had bought on Ebay about 12 years ago, I re-found this old cover which I believe shows a Ring of Pearls "silent precancel" on the postage due stamp. I believe I have an old pamphlet which describes some of these 'silent precancels' but just can not find it at the moment. So while I am searching for it, I am posting this item for any comments. Silent precancels was the fore-runners of the normal city/state precancels that we are familiar with.
Mike in NC / meostamps
PS The cover does contain a 3 page enclosed note which might account for the addition postage due stamps at the time. And the paper of both the cover and the letter is on the thick side, which may account for the item needing additional postage above the 3c stamp that it was originally posted with.
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re: Ring of Pearls "silent precancel" on old US postage due
Minor correction. This was not an old Ebay purchase but something I picked up from a vendor at a small outdoor flea market in lower Manhattan in the 2004-5 period. Believe I paid less than $5 for it, probably closer to $ 3.00 Mike in NC / meostamps
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06:50:44am
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Hi All
My information comes from the 1925 edition of "handbook on bureau and local Precancels".
These ring of pearls comes in three variations, but I've only have two. The variations are indicated which way the tail on the "Y" points as follows:
Tail of the "Y" points to right. (see below)
Tail of the "Y" points to left. (see below)
Tail of the "Y" points the vertical (reported to occur only on the 5 center, I've never seen one of these so I can't say for sure they exist)
The cover shown on the original post by mdroth, is the only cover I've ever seen, of course there could be many more out there, just do not remember seeing one before.
Seems like all I've seen always have 24 pearls, has anyone seen more or less pearls?
Original covers showing this precancel indicate that it was used by a number of New York City substations during the period from 1879 to 1886.
DAVID THOMPSON
MSGT/USAF/RETIRED
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08:48:47am
re: Ring of Pearls "silent precancel" on old US postage due
This is an interesting area and I have not found many people who know a lot about it.
First, is it possible that the left facing and right facing cancels are really the same one, depending on whether the handstamp was applied right-facing or rotated 180 degrees?
Next, I have found String of Pearls cancels on all of the values in the first and second series of postage dues. Not so common in the second set, but many of them can be viewed on the PF site by dialing in on previous certs issued. Curiously, J7 is much much more common with a precancel than a standard cancel.
Speaking of J7, I just bought a J7 on eBay that was advertised as a J21. Curiously, it is NG (but sadly with a crease). Has anyone ever seen an unused String of Pearls?
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08:57:23am
re: Ring of Pearls "silent precancel" on old US postage due
On reflection, you weren't suggesting that there were two different precancel stamps, just that they were applied in two ways. My bad.
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re: Ring of Pearls "silent precancel" on old US postage due
Mike:
I've a couple of these in my NY precancel collection.
David
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06:15:29pm
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David can you give me an idea of the value of such a silent precancel.? I have been following a few on ebay but have not bid as I didn`t know their value ..and was watching my budget..lol
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re: Ring of Pearls "silent precancel" on old US postage due
Providing there is a complete precancel on the stamp, and it is a fault-free stamp, F-VF centring or better, generally $15-$20.
David
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08:32:56pm
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Thanks Dave...will keep an eye out for a reasonable sample.....
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re: Ring of Pearls "silent precancel" on old US postage due
the book titled
Postal History and Usage of 1907 and Earlier Precancels
by Charles C. Souder copyright 1989
i just purchased this book recently and below is a copy of an insert from the book
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re: Ring of Pearls "silent precancel" on old US postage due
I am pretty sure I got my right-facing New York String of Pearls precancel on this US Scott# J18 from right here on Stamporama.
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10 Aug 2023
05:54:55pm
re: Ring of Pearls "silent precancel" on old US postage due
Gorgeous stamp!! Thanks for showing this!!
EDIT: I was just looking through my postage dues and I have one that is very faded (blue facing left) and if I hadn't seen this post I would have never known it was a precancel. It would be fantastic to have a bright example that has a SON cancel. I really do learn something new here almost every day. Thanks for that!!!
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06:39:55pm
re: Ring of Pearls "silent precancel" on old US postage due
There are 3 types.
#1 Right facing "Y"
#2 Left facing "Y"
#3 Facing up "Y".
#3 is rare.
Comes with black pearls. Also comes with blue cancels.
I believe there are 28 pearls (but better check this).
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
10 Aug 2023
09:51:59pm
re: Ring of Pearls "silent precancel" on old US postage due
At least this talk about the Ring of Pearls gives me a blue precancel to go with my red and black!
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